debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

[cor...@free.fr]

Dear list,

Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try
on ubuntu 22.04.
Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on dev/ops
environment?

Thanks
Corey Hickman

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

cor...@free.fr writes:

> Dear list,
>
> Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try
> on ubuntu 22.04.
> Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on
> dev/ops environment?

I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google cloud vm is running
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (+ESM). Then my desktop is Debian 11 under Chromebook.

Ubuntu's advantage is 10 years.

So i prefer Ubuntu LTS for cloud/server.

Just so so

Sincerely,

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[Stanislav Vlasov]

2023-03-29 5:49 GMT+05:00, cor...@free.fr <cor...@free.fr>:

> Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try
> on ubuntu 22.04.
> Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on dev/ops
> environment?

Ubuntu more quickly upgrades to fresh versions and have longer lts
support, in Debian i'm get more expectable results.

I tried _minimal_ installation option of ubuntu server 22.04 iso and
it not so minimal as in debian — about 6G on disk with unexpected soft
in memory. After that — use only debootstrap when installing ubuntu.
Two docker servers, debootstrapped same manner works identically.

--
Stanislav

[to...@tuxteam.de]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
> cor...@free.fr writes:
>
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try
> > on ubuntu 22.04.
> > Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on
> > dev/ops environment?
>
> I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google cloud vm is running
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (+ESM). Then my desktop is Debian 11 under Chromebook.
>
> Ubuntu's advantage is 10 years.

Aha. Just a random test (Debian Bullseye here, so not the newest):

tomas@trotzki:~$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 5.1.4(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>

This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

This page says that bash 5.1 is 2020-12-07. So Ubuntu 22.10 would be
from... 2030? Operating system from the future! Must be the Flatpaks
or how they are called.

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_(Unix_shell)
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t

[Tom Furie]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

> I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google cloud vm is running
> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (+ESM). Then my desktop is Debian 11 under Chromebook.
>
> Ubuntu's advantage is 10 years.

I can't interpret what this 10 year advantage refers to. Could you expand on
what you mean here, please?

Cheers,
Tom

--
I believe in getting into hot water; it keeps you clean.
-- G. K. Chesterton

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Tom Furie <t...@furie.org.uk> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
>
>> I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google cloud vm is running
>> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (+ESM). Then my desktop is Debian 11 under Chromebook.
>>
>> Ubuntu's advantage is 10 years.
>
> I can't interpret what this 10 year advantage refers to. Could you expand on
> what you mean here, please?
>

Hellow Tom!

I did mean that 10 years of security updates.
Most Ubuntu users know this news, i think.

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Thank you for kind test, tomas!

Also i like GNU bash very much, indeed.

[to...@tuxteam.de]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 03:02:12PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:

[...]

> Thank you for kind test, tomas!

My pleasure.

> Also i like GNU bash very much, indeed.

Still, the question remains: what will be the bash version in year 2033?

Cheers
--
tomás

[Tom Furie]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 02:44:18PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
> I did mean that 10 years of security updates.
> Most Ubuntu users know this news, i think.

Perhaps they would, though I have my doubts about *most*. Regardless, this
isn't an Ubuntu list so no Ubuntu knowledge should be assumed.

Cheers,
Tom

--
Asynchronous inputs are at the root of our race problems.
-- D. Winker and F. Prosser

[Bret Busby]

What exactly is your objective use?

Does Debian 11 do involuntary automated updates and use snap? Ubuntu
does, which can be disruptive, and unreliable, amongst other things.

Also, if you are going to install on new hardware, is Debian likely to
have all of the appropriate hardware drivers?

In about 2013, I bought a new super duper whizzbang laptop computer,
that was the most powerful computer that I had then owned. Reference may
be found, in list archives of the applicable mailing lists.

It took me eighteen months to get it operational.

The MS-Windows that came with it, was unusable.

Debian Linux at that time, did not have the drivers for the CPU or GPU.

Only two non-MS operating systems had drivers for the CPU; DragonflyBSD
and Ubuntu Linux.

DragonflyBSD did not have drivers for the GPU, and had the attitude that
they were not about providing a usable operating system.

So, I got it going with Ubuntu Linux, as the only available, usable,
operating system, that had available drivers for the hardware.

Ubuntu Linux has since, gone downhill, and, become increasingly
user-hostile and bloated.

So, I now use Linux Mint Mate 21.1, which is based on Ubuntu 22.04, but,
without most of the bloatware, and, Linux Mint 21.1, is like the
assessment of the planet Earth, from about 40 years ago; "Mostly
harmless". Of course, the assessment of planet Earth, has
deteriorated,and, is now, probably, "Mostly harmful".

And, Linux Mint operates with mostly "Plug and Play" functionality,
whether it is laser printers, USB wifi dongles, or, whatever.

And, when I was still using Ubuntu Linux, and bought Samsung T5 and T7
external USB SSD's, that use the exFAT file format, the drivers were
natively included in Ubuntu Linux, which also are thence, included in
Linux Mint.

I suggest that, if you want an efficient OS to consider, rather than
Ubuntu Linux 22.04, you consider Linus Mint Mate 21.1 .

When Linux Mint 21 was about to be released, Liam Proven had written and
published an interesting review of it.

You might be interested in viewing
https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/02/linux_mint_21_vanessa_released/

Unfortunately, the primary shortcoming that I have found, of Linux Mint,
is that Linux Mint does not provide support through a mailing list,
although, like at Hogwarts, on the Ubuntu Users mailing list, "Help is
available to those who ask for it".

Of interest, in the context of your post, and, this mailing list, in the
above Linux Mint article by Liam Proven, is
"If you are averse to Ubuntu for some reason, or you have a
well-specified 32-bit machine that you can't affordably upgrade, the
team's other offering is Linux Mint Debian Edition; we looked at the new
version 5 in March."

So, I suggest that, if you are considering Ubuntu 22.04, you also
investigate Linux Mint 21.1 (after reading the article by Liam Proven).
It was that, or, his previous article about Linux Mint 21, that caused
me to investigate and subsequently switch to Linux Mint.

And, I hope that the List Administrators of this list, do not mind the
content of my message; recommending Linux Mint, on a Debian Users
mailing list - if so, then, I apologise.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

[Bret Busby]

And,on Linux Mint Mate 21.1 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) -

"
Wed Mar 29 18:52:00 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)

Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
<http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>

This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

Wed Mar 29 18:52:11 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$