2.4 kernel
Cameron Berkenpas
Maybe the problem is that boot X doesn't support 2.4 kernels?
I would like to have a working 2.4 kernel so I could get a voodoo3 and
actually have X running at a decent speed on my starmax 4000/200 at the
high res I put it on.
Also, I'd rather avoid using MacOS together, it's possible to have li8nux
bootable without macos using the open firmware? How do I access the open
firmware?
-Cameron
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Ethan Benson
> I can't seem to create a working 2.4 kernel in debian ppc.
> Maybe the problem is that boot X doesn't support 2.4 kernels?
> I would like to have a working 2.4 kernel so I could get a voodoo3 and
> actually have X running at a decent speed on my starmax 4000/200 at the
> high res I put it on.
maybe i missed something by why does th kernel version matter here? i
would think you might need XFree4 but why kernel 2.4test ?
> Also, I'd rather avoid using MacOS together, it's possible to have li8nux
> bootable without macos using the open firmware? How do I access the open
> firmware?
yes, it can be done usually, its somewhat more difficult with oldworld
macs since their OF implementation really sucks. you need the quik
bootloader.
to access OF hold down command option o f. on many oldworld machines
you need to change the output device variable to your video card or
else use a serial terminal (you may have to use terminal anyway if OF
does not support your video card)
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Pepijn Bruienne
> How do I access the open firmware?
>
cmd-option-o-f at startup gets you into OF, but you might need to hook up
another machine with a terminal app to the serial port to be able to control
it. I don't know if the older ppc's use the screen and kbd device for i/o by
default.
pH.
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Cameron Berkenpas
problem?
On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:50:14AM +0000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote:
> > I can't seem to create a working 2.4 kernel in debian ppc.
> > Maybe the problem is that boot X doesn't support 2.4 kernels?
> > I would like to have a working 2.4 kernel so I could get a voodoo3 and
> > actually have X running at a decent speed on my starmax 4000/200 at the
> > high res I put it on.
>
> maybe i missed something by why does th kernel version matter here? i
> would think you might need XFree4 but why kernel 2.4test ?
>
> > Also, I'd rather avoid using MacOS together, it's possible to have li8nux
> > bootable without macos using the open firmware? How do I access the open
> > firmware?
>
> yes, it can be done usually, its somewhat more difficult with oldworld
> macs since their OF implementation really sucks. you need the quik
> bootloader.
>
> to access OF hold down command option o f. on many oldworld machines
> you need to change the output device variable to your video card or
> else use a serial terminal (you may have to use terminal anyway if OF
> does not support your video card)
>
>
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> Ethan Benson
> http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/
>
Michael Schmitz
> problem?
What exactly is the problem? Missing support for a particular frame
buffer in 2.2?
Michael
Cameron Berkenpas
2.2 kernels, at least 2.2.16 doesn't have a fb support for the 3dfx
voodoo3, which I want as I use the frame buffer X server as X for PPC
(3.3.6 anyway) doesn't have a specific driver for that card or most cards
for that matter.
-Cameron
Michel Dänzer
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:50:14AM +0000, Cameron Berkenpas wrote:
> > > I can't seem to create a working 2.4 kernel in debian ppc.
> > > Maybe the problem is that boot X doesn't support 2.4 kernels?
> > > I would like to have a working 2.4 kernel so I could get a voodoo3 and
> > > actually have X running at a decent speed on my starmax 4000/200 at the
> > > high res I put it on.
> >
> > maybe i missed something by why does th kernel version matter here? i
> > would think you might need XFree4 but why kernel 2.4test ?
>
> problem?
Yes, the tdfx driver needs the framebuffer device if it works at all. And if
it doesn't, you need it for the fbdev driver. So the bottom line is you need
it :)
Michel
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Michael Schmitz
> 2.2 kernels, at least 2.2.16 doesn't have a fb support for the 3dfx
> voodoo3, which I want as I use the frame buffer X server as X for PPC
> (3.3.6 anyway) doesn't have a specific driver for that card or most cards
> for that matter.
That wasn't entirely clear from your mail. Anyway, the changes between 2.2
and 2.4 framebuffer drivers don't look to be much more than the rewritten
struct definitions. Backporting to 2.2.18 should be possible without major
hassle.
Michael
Adam C Powell IV
> > Sorry about the last e-mail, I didn't put anything into it, hehe. Anyway,
> > 2.2 kernels, at least 2.2.16 doesn't have a fb support for the 3dfx
> > voodoo3, which I want as I use the frame buffer X server as X for PPC
> > (3.3.6 anyway) doesn't have a specific driver for that card or most cards
> > for that matter.
>
> That wasn't entirely clear from your mail. Anyway, the changes between 2.2
> and 2.4 framebuffer drivers don't look to be much more than the rewritten
> struct definitions. Backporting to 2.2.18 should be possible without major
> hassle.
Keep in mind that "major hassle" is relative.
Example: the first time I tried to do IP masquerading, it was a major hassle,
because I started with the HOWTOs, and spent several hours trying to come up
with good rules and ppp scripts. Then I searched the package archive in dselect
and installing the ipmasq package did everything automatically, with a good set
of conservative rules and the ppp scripts built-in, so it would now take me just
four seconds (literally).
It's like Miguel saying, "You want a new Gnumeric feature? Well, just add it to
the source code!"
It's not quite that simple for someone not familiar with the framebuffer
sources. Maybe for the tdfx-fb author...
In the meantime, I built -test6 successfully, and it boots with quik on a
StarMax (pmac 4400 clone) and runs fine, except for ppp, but we've discussed
that before. Couldn't get -test8 to build. Maybe -test6 will work with
tdfx-fb?
HTH,
-Adam P.
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Michael Schmitz
> > and 2.4 framebuffer drivers don't look to be much more than the rewritten
> > struct definitions. Backporting to 2.2.18 should be possible without major
> > hassle.
>
> Keep in mind that "major hassle" is relative.
Sure, I'm talking major hassle on my scale.
> Example: the first time I tried to do IP masquerading, it was a major hassle,
> because I started with the HOWTOs, and spent several hours trying to come up
> with good rules and ppp scripts. Then I searched the package archive in dselect
> and installing the ipmasq package did everything automatically, with a good set
> of conservative rules and the ppp scripts built-in, so it would now take me just
> four seconds (literally).
>
> It's like Miguel saying, "You want a new Gnumeric feature? Well, just add it to
> the source code!"
>
> It's not quite that simple for someone not familiar with the framebuffer
> sources. Maybe for the tdfx-fb author...
I'm not the tdfx author. I'm not even the macfb author. I've seen some
framebuffer code so I understand the basic design. My 'no major hassle'
call is based entirely on a diff between 2.2.18 and 2.4.0-test7 atyfb.c.
and what I've seen there was mostly cosmetics.
> In the meantime, I built -test6 successfully, and it boots with quik on a
> StarMax (pmac 4400 clone) and runs fine, except for ppp, but we've discussed
> that before. Couldn't get -test8 to build. Maybe -test6 will work with
> tdfx-fb?
Should work if the driver is in there?
Michael
Cameron Berkenpas
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Adam C Powell IV wrote:
> Michael Schmitz wrote:
>
> > > Sorry about the last e-mail, I didn't put anything into it, hehe. Anyway,
> > > 2.2 kernels, at least 2.2.16 doesn't have a fb support for the 3dfx
> > > voodoo3, which I want as I use the frame buffer X server as X for PPC
> > > (3.3.6 anyway) doesn't have a specific driver for that card or most cards
> > > for that matter.
> >
> > That wasn't entirely clear from your mail. Anyway, the changes between 2.2
> > and 2.4 framebuffer drivers don't look to be much more than the rewritten
> > struct definitions. Backporting to 2.2.18 should be possible without major
> > hassle.
>
> Keep in mind that "major hassle" is relative.
>
> Example: the first time I tried to do IP masquerading, it was a major hassle,
> because I started with the HOWTOs, and spent several hours trying to come up
> with good rules and ppp scripts. Then I searched the package archive in dselect
> and installing the ipmasq package did everything automatically, with a good set
> of conservative rules and the ppp scripts built-in, so it would now take me just
> four seconds (literally).
>
> It's like Miguel saying, "You want a new Gnumeric feature? Well, just add it to
> the source code!"
>
> It's not quite that simple for someone not familiar with the framebuffer
> sources. Maybe for the tdfx-fb author...
>
> In the meantime, I built -test6 successfully, and it boots with quik on a
> StarMax (pmac 4400 clone) and runs fine, except for ppp, but we've discussed
> that before. Couldn't get -test8 to build. Maybe -test6 will work with
> tdfx-fb?
>
> HTH,
>
> -Adam P.
>
> Welcome to the best software in the world today cafe!
>
>