Install on a PowerMacintosh 7200/90
Jean-Francois Gobin
I've given up for the E20 IBM and reinstalled AiX on it. Let's wait for
next release of debian.
Anyway, I found another worthy computer : PowerMacintosh 7200/90. Does
anyone know how to install linux on it and if I really need that stupid
little MacOS partition on the disk.
Thanks for help in advance,
Jean-Francois
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Thomas Peri
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install
or
http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/powerpc/install
I've successfully installed Linux on a 7200/90 in the past, though it
wasn't Debian. Setting it up to boot without BootX was kind of a
hassle, since the 7200's Open Firmware can only communicate with you
through a serial cable (connected to another computer running a terminal
emulator). However, I wasn't using Quik, which is likely to make the
whole thing a lot easier:
http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/
Thomas
Jean-Francois Gobin wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I've given up for the E20 IBM and reinstalled AiX on it. Let's wait for
>next release of debian.
>
>Anyway, I found another worthy computer : PowerMacintosh 7200/90. Does
>anyone know how to install linux on it and if I really need that stupid
>little MacOS partition on the disk.
>
>Thanks for help in advance,
>Jean-Francois
>
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Janne Karjanlahti
I installed Debian Woody to my PowerMac 7200/90 just yesterday. I booted
from boot-floppy, and then switched root-floppy to disk drive. After
that I complete normal network (http) install. Everything simple works
out of box... wow! Before that I tried several other distributions, but
none of them actually works for me. I have only 32mt memory, and those
graphical installers needs a way more.
I deleted all my partitions ( press "i" to initialize disk in fdisk)
during install, an I am using quik as bootloader. Only drawback is that
with quik it's not easy to deal with a dual-boot systems, but it's ok to
me since this is Linux-only machine. Quik doesn't need any special
boot-partitions, make only normal Linux-partitions you need.
Only real problem is that because that version of Open Firmware doesn't
drive display, I have never actually seen quik to boot, only blank
screen. After linux starts to boot everything is ok. I haven't figured
out yet how I can boot different kernels, ie how to use quik boot-menu
with my blank screen...
-jkarjanl
Chris Tillman
> Hello!
>
> I installed Debian Woody to my PowerMac 7200/90 just yesterday. I booted
> from boot-floppy, and then switched root-floppy to disk drive. After
> that I complete normal network (http) install. Everything simple works
> out of box... wow! Before that I tried several other distributions, but
> none of them actually works for me. I have only 32mt memory, and those
> graphical installers needs a way more.
>
> I deleted all my partitions ( press "i" to initialize disk in fdisk)
> during install, an I am using quik as bootloader. Only drawback is that
> with quik it's not easy to deal with a dual-boot systems, but it's ok to
> me since this is Linux-only machine. Quik doesn't need any special
> boot-partitions, make only normal Linux-partitions you need.
>
> Only real problem is that because that version of Open Firmware doesn't
> drive display, I have never actually seen quik to boot, only blank
> screen. After linux starts to boot everything is ok. I haven't figured
> out yet how I can boot different kernels, ie how to use quik boot-menu
> with my blank screen...
Right. You can't, unless you hook up another machine. It's sending
and receiving over the modem port. Nice to hear it worked well in
spite of that. The potato version does _not_ work so well, so I'd
advise installing woody.
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> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 12:11:56PM +0300, Janne Karjanlahti wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > drive display, I have never actually seen quik to boot, only blank
> > screen. After linux starts to boot everything is ok. I haven't figured
> > out yet how I can boot different kernels, ie how to use quik boot-menu
> > with my blank screen...
>
> Right. You can't, unless you hook up another machine. It's sending
> and receiving over the modem port. Nice to hear it worked well in
> spite of that. The potato version does _not_ work so well, so I'd
> advise installing woody.
i also would advise you to check out the netbsd.org page on ports; it
has links and other info you might consider doing and/or using. e.g.,
updating your OF, there's an OF patch (1.0.5), and some other utils.
I don't know if your model of box should have the OF upgrade, but you
can check it out on the page below.
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/
OF patch:
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/SystemDisk-tutorial/of105patch.html
eric
Rogério Brito
> Right. You can't, unless you hook up another machine. It's sending
> and receiving over the modem port. Nice to hear it worked well in
> spite of that. The potato version does _not_ work so well, so I'd
> advise installing woody.
If another data point is wanted (perhaps for inclusion on the
manual), then I'd like to point out that I installed woody
maaaaany moons ago in a PowerMac 9500/180MP and it worked
well.
I had some problems to configure X and use an SMP kernel, but
from the changelogs, everything should work fine now.
As some additional details, the problem with X was that it
needed the explicit PCI bus indication of the video card on
PPC (not needed on x86) and that the PCI bus scanning wasn't
complete with a 2.2 kernel.
The problem with the kernels from Debian was that they
included the generic (not the PPC) RTC code and the kernels
thus installed just Oopsed on me.
Also, I can't for the life of me (even following the tricks on
NetBSD's homepage) use OpenFirmware on this PM9500, but it
works so easily with my new iBook2. Unfortunately, I don't
have a second computer to work as a serial terminal to issue
commands to quik.
When I currently have a new kernel with experimental features
that might crash the machine (and would require a reset of
OF), I put it on a miboot-enabled floppy, test it and if it
works well, just use it the usual way.
Of course, I learned this all the hard way (which is good,
since I remember all details now). :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Janne Karjanlahti
>> Only real problem is that because that version of Open Firmware doesn't
>> drive display, I have never actually seen quik to boot, only blank
>> screen. After linux starts to boot everything is ok. I haven't figured
>> out yet how I can boot different kernels, ie how to use quik boot-menu
>> with my blank screen...
>
> Right. You can't, unless you hook up another machine. It's sending
> and receiving over the modem port. Nice to hear it worked well in
> spite of that. The potato version does _not_ work so well, so I'd
> advise installing woody.
Yes, I know that. I wonder if I can use Quik bootloader kernel selection
with blank screen, ie. pressing right keycombinations.?
It's too risky to update new kernel unless I can safely keep backup
kernel, in case something just skrews wrong...
Somebody mentioned keeping backup-kernel on floppy disk. How can I do
this? With ybin? RTFM? ;-)
-jkarjanl
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Jean-Francois Gobin
I installed potato on my mac 7200, but ...
At the installation, quik seems to flash something, that I can't read (too
fast). And I can't boot directly from the HD.
I initialized the disk, so no longer macos ...
Any idea/bypass ?
Jean-Francois
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Janne Karjanlahti
> I installed potato on my mac 7200, but ...
Please, don't install potato, use Woody. I think there is a bug in the
potato's quik installer. Quik doesn't follow symlinks, and I think
Potato writes faulty quik.conf.
However I think it's possibly to use Potato on PowerMac 7200, but after
installation DON'T reboot. You should go to shell and fix couple of
thinks related to booting and quik.
-jkarjanl
Chris Tillman
> Hello!
>
> >>Only real problem is that because that version of Open Firmware doesn't
> >>drive display, I have never actually seen quik to boot, only blank
> >>screen. After linux starts to boot everything is ok. I haven't figured
> >>out yet how I can boot different kernels, ie how to use quik boot-menu
> >>with my blank screen...
> >
> >Right. You can't, unless you hook up another machine. It's sending
> >and receiving over the modem port. Nice to hear it worked well in
> >spite of that. The potato version does _not_ work so well, so I'd
> >advise installing woody.
>
> Yes, I know that. I wonder if I can use Quik bootloader kernel selection
> with blank screen, ie. pressing right keycombinations.?
IOW, it's not paying attention to the keyboard at that time.
What you can do, I've had this work to a limited extent, is nvsetenv boot-file
to the new kernel image, with the option to boot back in with an installer
floppy to set it back or run quik.
> It's too risky to update new kernel unless I can safely keep backup
> kernel, in case something just skrews wrong...
>
> Somebody mentioned keeping backup-kernel on floppy disk. How can I do
> this? With ybin? RTFM? ;-)
ybin is no help with quik.
It's very easy with BootX to try different kernels; you don't still have
MacOS do you?
It's possible to use a miBoot floppy with different kernels; it has a
zImage, System and Finder files. This is the same as the installation
floppy. Probably you could mount it as -t hfs and replace the image
in Linux.
Rogério Brito
> Somebody mentioned keeping backup-kernel on floppy disk. How can I
> do this? With ybin? RTFM? ;-)
Well, what I do is: I get a copy of
<http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/boot-floppy-hfs.img>,
write it to a floppy, compile my custom kernel, get the
vmlinux file on the kernel tree after compilation, compress it
with gzip, rename it to zImage and then copy it to the floppy
with tools from hfsutils.
Works well for trying new kernels with unknown features.
Of course, you shouldn't forget to install the modules and
System.map before you boot with your brand new kernel. :-)
Hope this helps, Roger...
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