Installing Debian Lenny on MacMini G4
Mathieu Malaterre
I am trying to install Debian 5.0.5 on a used MacMini G4.
I have followed instructions from:
http://sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/
However I could not get the MacMini to boot onto the debian installer.
I tried the:
- 'C' holding approach (does not work at all)
- 'Options' holding approach (Only the hard drive icon shows up)
- 'Option'+'Command'+'o+'f' opens a terminal:
Apple PowerMac10, 1 4.8.9f4 BootROM build on 03/23/05 at 14:22:23
...
0 > boot cd:,\\tbxi DISK-LABEL: read block0 failed
ATAPI-DISK: open of DISK-LABEL failed can't open: cd:,\\tbxi
Can't open device or file
0 > eject cd: ok
0 > boot cd:,\\tbxi DISK-LABEL: read block0 failed
ATAPI-DISK: open of DISK-LABEL failed can't open: cd:,\\tbxi
Can't open device or file
I tried the 'eject' approach as mentioned in the bugzilla bug number 162046...
I have one cdrom burned from my debian/amd64 laptop and one cdrom
burned from the MacMini, both fails as shown above. Both cdrom opens
fine on my debian/amd64 laptop.
References:
http://sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/
http://mac.linux.be/content/booting-open-firmware
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162046
http://www.powerlinux.com/mini/
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
I would really appreciate *any* help !
Thanks in advance,
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Mathieu Malaterre
As mentioned in my previous email I used:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
The cdrom opens fine on my laptop, dmesg reveals:
ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
I tried booting from them, but it simply fails. I am guessing they contains ppc code and thus fails on my amd64 laptop.
HTH
Mathieu
Mathieu Malaterre
boot cd:,\\:tbxi
This command does not work on my debian installation cd, but does work
on the official Tiger Mac install cd...
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Rick Thomas
The convention on Debian mailing lists is to post new information at
the bottom. (It would not be my personal choice, but... "When in
Rome, do as the Romans...")
I've re-arranged the parts of this as if that convention had been
followed, then added my own comments at the end.
Rick
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Mathieu Malaterre
> <mathieu....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> As mentioned in my previous email I used:
>>
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
>>
>> The cdrom opens fine on my laptop, dmesg reveals:
>>
>> ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
>>
>> I tried booting from them, but it simply fails. I am guessing
>> they contains ppc code and thus fails on my amd64 laptop.
>>
>> HTH
>>
On Jul 25, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> BTW I actually meant to write:
>
> boot cd:,\\:tbxi
>
> This command does not work on my debian installation cd, but does work
> on the official Tiger Mac install cd...
>
> thanks !
Mathieu,
If you tried both the "C" holding approach and the "Option" holding
approach, and neither of them recognized that the CD is a bootable
PowerPC Mac CD, then there must be something wrong with the CD.
Either the iso is malformed, or the burn from the iso did not work
properly.
To check the first possibility, did you verify the download by
comparing the checksum of the iso file against either the MD5SUMS or
the SHA1SUMS file in the same directory as you downloaded the iso from?
To check the second possibility, you can compare the burned CD with
the iso file using, for example, something like:
cmp /dev/cdrom xxxxxx.iso
A third possibilty, though remote, is that the iso was improperly
built. I'll verify that myself and get back to you.
Have you tried booting the Mac mini G4 from another Debian CD? try,
for example, the businesscard CD at
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/
If that at least boots (it may fail to install a working Debian
PowerPC for other reasons, but it should at least boot) then you know
your CD drive is OK. If it fails, you may have a hardware problem...
Hope this helps!
Rick
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On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> A third possibilty, though remote, is that the iso was improperly
> built. I'll verify that myself and get back to you.
>
I downloaded and burned the iso. I verified the MD5 and compared the
burned CD with the ISO. All went well. Then I booted it on my own
Mac mini G4. It booted fine (I used the "C" hold-down method) and
started the installer. I didn't run any further, because I didn't
want to mess up my MacOS-X machine, but it at least booted.
So there's no problem with the iso file itself.
Enjoy!
Rick
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Rick Thomas
On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Chris Reich wrote:
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> I've seen this problem before myself and have never resolved it.
> It's also been reported elsewhere without resolution. I watch this
> thread anxiously awaiting a fix.
> All my best - Chris Reich; Rochester, New York twittername:
> chrisreich
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Chris,
Just incase you missed the point of what I wrote (possible, I'm not
always a clear as I could be):
I have verified that there is nothing wrong with the iso image on the
web site.
So the only things that are left are:
1) Mathieu encountered some kind of un-detected error in downloading
the iso or burning the CD.
2) There's something wrong in the hardware of Mathieu's mac mini G4.
Case (1): He should re-download, verify the checksum, re-burn, verify
the burn, and try again to see if it boots.
Case (2): He should try the CD on a different PowerPC Mac. See if it
boots there. Also try a different bootable media, such as a MacOS-X
DVD.
Hope this helps,
Rick
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Mathieu Malaterre
>
> On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
>>
>> A third possibilty, though remote, is that the iso was improperly built.
>> I'll verify that myself and get back to you.
>>
>
> I downloaded and burned the iso. I verified the MD5 and compared the burned
> CD with the ISO. All went well. Then I booted it on my own Mac mini G4.
> It booted fine (I used the "C" hold-down method) and started the installer.
> I didn't run any further, because I didn't want to mess up my MacOS-X
> machine, but it at least booted.
>
> So there's no problem with the iso file itself.
Thanks !
Here is what I did on my amd64 box:
$ wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
$ md5sum debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
86268f3a463460828ec12831d6520df7 debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
$ cmp /dev/cdrom debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
$ echo $?
0
I would be tempted to say my cdrom was burned ok. To get into more
details see (*).
In summary:
- DVD 1 Tiger 10.4
-> I can boot using C
-> I can boot using Option
-> I can boot using Option+Command+o+f
- Debian 5.0.5 CD-RW
-> I can NOT boot using C
-> I can NOT boot using Option
-> I can NOT boot using Option+Command+o+f
I also tried burning the image on two CD-R, but cmp would failed everytime with:
$ cmp /dev/cdrom debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
cmp: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error
However both isovfy and isoinfo were happy with the CD-R
Thanks for any further advices,
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Ps:
(*)
$ isoinfo -d -i=/dev/cdrom
CD-ROM is in ISO 9660 format
System id: LINUX
Volume id: Debian 5.0.5 ppc Bin-1
Volume set id:
Publisher id:
Data preparer id:
Application id: GENISOIMAGE ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM CREATOR (C) 1993
E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997-2006 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING (C) 2006-2007 CDRKIT
TEAM
Copyright File id:
Abstract File id:
Bibliographic File id:
Volume set size is: 1
Volume set sequence number is: 1
Logical block size is: 2048
Volume size is: 102188
NO Joliet present
Rock Ridge signatures version 1 found
k3b reveals this info about the cdrom (imation cd-rw 80min):
/dev/sr0: ATIP capacity: 79:57:74
(K3bDevice::Device) READ CAPACITY: 22:42:37 other capacity: 79:57:74
DiskInfo:
Mediatype: CD-RW
Current Profile: CD-RW
Disk state: complete
Empty: 0
Rewritable: 1
Appendable: 0
Sessions: 1
Tracks: 1
Layers: 1
Capacity: 79:57:74 (LBA 359849) (736970752 Bytes)
Remaining size: 00:00:00 (LBA 0) (0 Bytes)
Used Size: 22:42:38 (LBA 102188) (209281024 Bytes)
Session | ADR | CONTROL| TNO | POINT | Min | Sec | Frame
| Zero | PMIN | PSEC | PFRAME |
1 | 1 | 4 | 0 | a0 | 0 | 0 | 0
| 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
1 | 1 | 4 | 0 | a1 | 0 | 0 | 0
| 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
1 | 1 | 4 | 0 | a2 | 0 | 0 | 0
| 0 | 22 | 44 | 38 |
1 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0
| 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
1 | 5 | 4 | 0 | b0 | 255 | 255 | 255
| 3 | 79 | 59 | 74 |
1 | 5 | 4 | 0 | c0 | 44 | 0 | 174
| 0 | 97 | 34 | 24 |
1 | 5 | 4 | 0 | c1 | 204 | 148 | 50
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
(K3bDevice::Device) found invalid bcd values. No bcd toc.
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Mathieu Malaterre
> Have you tried burning to a CD-R instead of a CD-RW?
Yes.
But as I said in my previous email, I cannot use the 'cmp' method to
prove the burning went ok. isodump/isovfy were happy with those media,
but still I cannot boot from them.
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nello martuscielli
really a strange situations.
Try to boot with a different distro's boot iso (like Gentoo or Crux).
So you can understand if it's a problem related to the iso or the
cdrom driver.
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> But as I said in my previous email, I cannot use the 'cmp' method to
> prove the burning went ok. isodump/isovfy were happy with those media,
> but still I cannot boot from them.
Have you tried a different colored disc? Also, there's a chance that your Mac may not be able to boot from CD-RW media at all.
-Gary
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Rick Thomas
> <... stuff that all looks reasonable ...>
I'm stumped.
Did you try a different Debian install method? E.g. the
"businesscard" iso from
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/
Does that at least boot on your Mac mini G4?
Have you tried booting the problematical CD on a different PowerPC
Mac? Does it at least boot there?
And finally (I know this sounds silly, but we may be at the point
where silly is all that's left...)
Are you sure the Mac mini is a G4? Nowadays, Apple makes an intel-
based box that they call the Mac mini. From the outside, it looks
exactly like the old G4-based Mac minis. They don't seem to care
about the potential confusion.
Enjoy!
Rick
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Mathieu Malaterre
<mathieu....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I tired using a CD-R (not a CD-RW), with the following:
>
> $ md5sum debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
> 86268f3a463460828ec12831d6520df7 debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
I forgot to mention that using the 'C' holding solution with this
cd-rom I can now see a icon of the finder within a blue folder, then
move to a question mark in a blue folder icon, then again the finder
icon...
After a couple of second, it still boots to hard-drive
Does Mac have a notion of boot order ? (I am a PC user, I never
touched a mac before... well barely)
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Mathieu Malaterre
$ md5sum debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
86268f3a463460828ec12831d6520df7 debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
$ isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom
CD-ROM is in ISO 9660 format
System id: LINUX
Volume id: Debian 5.0.5 ppc Bin-1
Volume set id:
Publisher id:
Data preparer id:
Application id: GENISOIMAGE ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM CREATOR (C) 1993
E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997-2006 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING (C) 2006-2007 CDRKIT
TEAM
Copyright File id:
Abstract File id:
Bibliographic File id:
Volume set size is: 1
Volume set sequence number is: 1
Logical block size is: 2048
Volume size is: 102188
NO Joliet present
Rock Ridge signatures version 1 found
$ dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=102188 conv=notrunc,noerror | md5sum
102188+0 records in
102188+0 records out
209281024 bytes (209 MB) copied, 56.3156 s, 3.7 MB/s
86268f3a463460828ec12831d6520df7 -
I followed stricly the instructions from:
http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix
$ wodim -eject -v speed=2 -data -pad ./debian-505-powerpc-netinst.iso
More info at:
http://malatsblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/preparing-bootable-debian-installer-cd.html
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Rick Thomas <rbth...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Did you try a different Debian install method? E.g. the "businesscard" iso
> from
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/
Will do that next. I need to buy some more CD-R :)
> Does that at least boot on your Mac mini G4?
>
> Have you tried booting the problematical CD on a different PowerPC Mac?
> Does it at least boot there?
No other PowerPC around ...
> And finally (I know this sounds silly, but we may be at the point where
> silly is all that's left...)
> Are you sure the Mac mini is a G4? Nowadays, Apple makes an intel-based box
> that they call the Mac mini. From the outside, it looks exactly like the
> old G4-based Mac minis. They don't seem to care about the potential
> confusion.
That would have been funny :)
Here is the output of system_profiler from the running MacOSX/Tiger
session (truncated to avoid spreading personal info):
Hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Mac mini
Machine Model: PowerMac10,1
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.42 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.8.9f4
Serial Number: YM5306NSTYX
And:
Software:
System Software Overview:
System Version: Mac OS X 10.4 (8A451)
Kernel Version: Darwin 8.0.0
Boot Volume: Mac mini de Yann
Computer Name: mathieu malaterre’s Mac mini
User Name: mathieu malaterre (mathieu)
ATA:
ATA Bus:
ST9808210A:
Capacity: 74.53 GB
Model: ST9808210A
Revision: 3.04
Serial Number: 3LF1QH95
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Protocol: ATA
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Mac mini de Yann:
Capacity: 74.41 GB
Available: 65.98 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: UFS
BSD Name: disk0s4
Mount Point: /
Volumes:
disk0s4:
Capacity: 74.41 GB
Available: 65.98 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: UFS
MATSHITADVD-R UJ-845C:
Model: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-845C
Revision: DPP9
Serial Number:
Detachable Drive: No
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 1
Socket Type: Internal
Disc Burning:
MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-845C:
Firmware Revision: DPP9
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipped/Supported)
Cache: 2048 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
DVD-Write: -R, -RW, +R, +RW
Burn Underrun Protection CD: Yes
Burn Underrun Protection DVD: Yes
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, DVD-DAO
Media: No
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I have not yet delved into this thread (packing things to go to the US),
but I could not resist pointing out one thing:
On Jul 27 2010, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> I would be tempted to say my cdrom was burned ok. To get into more
> details see (*).
There's this very cool program called dvdisaster, which, among other
things serves quite well the purpose of verifying if a given CD/DVD has
errors.
In the particular case of CDs, it can also give you a very nice idea of
if the medium is going to die or not, showing you how many C2-errors it
has along all the surface etc: http://dvdisaster.net/en/images/good-cd.png
It is packaged for Debian http://packages.debian.org/sid/dvdisaster and
maintained by yours truly. :-)
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On Jul 27, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>> Have you tried booting the problematical CD on a different PowerPC
>> Mac?
>> Does it at least boot there?
>
> No other PowerPC around ...
If you are willing to let us know the city or area you live in,
perhaps there is someone on the list who lives nearby and has
appropriate hardware you can test it on?
Just a thought...
Rick
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On Jul 27, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> I forgot to mention that using the 'C' holding solution with this
> cd-rom I can now see a icon of the finder within a blue folder, then
> move to a question mark in a blue folder icon, then again the finder
> icon...
> After a couple of second, it still boots to hard-drive
>
> Does Mac have a notion of boot order ? (I am a PC user, I never
> touched a mac before... well barely)
The boot order is defined by parameters in Open Firmware, and
conditioned by things like holding down the "C" key.
What that behavior looks like to me is a marginal CD/DVD drive.
Sometimes it can read the CD, sometimes not. You might think about
having it replaced, if that's a possibility. DVD-R/W drives are not
expensive these days.
You mentioned getting some more CD-R blanks. Try a different brand
from the one you originally used. Sometimes that helps...
Just grasping at straws...
Rick
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Well, at least we can be pretty sure it's a G4 Mac Mini (-;
Also, we learn that (at least Apple thinks) that its DVD drive is
capable of reading (and writing) CD-RW and DVD-RW media.
I'll admit, I'm stumped. I don't have any more suggestions...
Sorry!
Rick
On Jul 27, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> Hardware Overview:
>
> Machine Name: Mac mini
> Machine Model: PowerMac10,1
> CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2)
> Number Of CPUs: 1
> CPU Speed: 1.42 GHz
> L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
> Memory: 512 MB
> Bus Speed: 167 MHz
> Boot ROM Version: 4.8.9f4
> Serial Number: YM5306NSTYX
>
>
> And:
>
> ATA:
>
> ATA Bus:
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Gary Driggs
> You might think about having it
> replaced, if that's a possibility.
> DVD-R/W drives are not expensive
> these days.
I found that the optical drive in a Titanium PowerBook is the same model used in the G4 mini. But I've also had good luck with net installs. I run tftpd from OS X on my Intel mini, let my G4 mini get an address from DHCP (auto taken care of when you use 'boot enet'), then specify the tftp server in my boot params. My open firmware command looks something like: boot enet:192.168.111.34,yaboot
Q.v. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en
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Gunther Furtado
> Hi there,
>
> I am trying to install Debian 5.0.5 on a used MacMini G4.
> I have followed instructions from:
Have you thought about installing from an USB stick? is it possible for
the kind of hardware you are dealing with?
[...]
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> Have you thought about installing from an USB stick? is it possible for
> the kind of hardware you are dealing with?
I've installed with a USB stick before for other G4 Apple machines, so
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