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Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 4, 2023, 5:40:04 AM12/4/23
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Another question related to Debian GNU/Hurd:
ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
supported by Hurd?
Thanks!
Martin-Éric
Another question related to Debian GNU/Hurd:
ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
supported by Hurd?
Thanks!
Martin-Éric
Samuel Thibault
Dec 4, 2023, 6:50:04 AM12/4/23
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Hello,
Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
get it.
Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
Are you running hurd-i386 or hurd-amd64?
Samuel
Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
>
> Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> supported by Hurd?
It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
>
> Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> supported by Hurd?
get it.
Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
Are you running hurd-i386 or hurd-amd64?
Samuel
Samuel Thibault
Dec 4, 2023, 7:20:04 AM12/4/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:08:05 +0200, a ecrit:
syslog probably doesn't notice that. But that probably shows up on the
mach console.
Samuel
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > > supported by Hurd?
> >
> > It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> > get it.
>
> Interesting.
> > > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > > supported by Hurd?
> >
> > It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> > get it.
>
>
> > Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
>
> What keyword am I supposed to grep in syslog?
> > Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
>
syslog probably doesn't notice that. But that probably shows up on the
mach console.
Samuel
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 4, 2023, 7:30:05 AM12/4/23
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Howdy!
> Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
Martin-Éric
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:48 PM Samuel Thibault <sthi...@debian.org> wrote:
> Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> >
> > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > supported by Hurd?
>
> It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> get it.
Interesting.
> Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> >
> > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > supported by Hurd?
>
> It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> get it.
> Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
What keyword am I supposed to grep in syslog?
> Are you running hurd-i386 or hurd-amd64?
hurd-i386.
Martin-Éric
Samuel Thibault
Dec 4, 2023, 7:50:04 AM12/4/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:30:55 +0200, a ecrit:
> As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
> the screen while changing the font
You can disable the hurd console in /etc/defaults/hurd-console.
> Speaking of the console, logging in via that doesn't set LANG or
> LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
It does set it according to your Debian configuration.
Samuel
> As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
> the screen while changing the font
You can disable the hurd console in /etc/defaults/hurd-console.
> Speaking of the console, logging in via that doesn't set LANG or
> LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
It does set it according to your Debian configuration.
Samuel
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 4, 2023, 7:50:04 AM12/4/23
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As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
the screen while changing the font
Speaking of the console, logging in via that doesn't set LANG or
LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
Martin-Éric
LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
Samuel Thibault
Dec 4, 2023, 8:10:04 AM12/4/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:44:54 +0200, a ecrit:
Alternatively, you can put the gnumach console on the com0 serial port.
> > > Speaking of the console, logging in via that doesn't set LANG or
> > > LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
> >
> > It does set it according to your Debian configuration.
>
> Nope. /etc/default/locale is correct, but 'locale' shows LANG and
> LANGUAGE unset, while everything else in LC_* has POSIX.
Ok, it does work through ssh but not on the Hurd console (and not via
inetutils-telnetd either). Contribution welcome to fix it.
Samuel
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:40 PM Samuel Thibault <sthi...@debian.org> wrote:
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:30:55 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
> > > the screen while changing the font
> >
> > You can disable the hurd console in /etc/defaults/hurd-console.
>
> Which then prevents loading the correct keyboard map.
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:30:55 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
> > > the screen while changing the font
> >
> > You can disable the hurd console in /etc/defaults/hurd-console.
>
Alternatively, you can put the gnumach console on the com0 serial port.
> > > Speaking of the console, logging in via that doesn't set LANG or
> > > LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
> >
> > It does set it according to your Debian configuration.
>
> LANGUAGE unset, while everything else in LC_* has POSIX.
Ok, it does work through ssh but not on the Hurd console (and not via
inetutils-telnetd either). Contribution welcome to fix it.
Samuel
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 4, 2023, 8:10:04 AM12/4/23
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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:40 PM Samuel Thibault <sthi...@debian.org> wrote:
>
> Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:30:55 +0200, a ecrit:
> > As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
> > the screen while changing the font
>
> You can disable the hurd console in /etc/defaults/hurd-console.
>
> Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:30:55 +0200, a ecrit:
> > As for the console, it doesn't show much since it's too busy clearing
> > the screen while changing the font
>
> You can disable the hurd console in /etc/defaults/hurd-console.
Which then prevents loading the correct keyboard map.
> > Speaking of the console, logging in via that doesn't set LANG or
> > LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
>
> It does set it according to your Debian configuration.
> > LANGUAGE, unless I missed something?
>
> It does set it according to your Debian configuration.
Nope. /etc/default/locale is correct, but 'locale' shows LANG and
LANGUAGE unset, while everything else in LC_* has POSIX.
Martin-Éric
LANGUAGE unset, while everything else in LC_* has POSIX.
Samuel Thibault
Dec 4, 2023, 10:10:05 AM12/4/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:30:55 +0200, a ecrit:
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:14 PM Samuel Thibault <sthi...@debian.org> wrote:
> >
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:08:05 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > > > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > > > > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > > > > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > > > > supported by Hurd?
> > > >
> > > > It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> > > > get it.
> > >
> > > Interesting.
> > >
> > > > Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
> > >
> > > What keyword am I supposed to grep in syslog?
> >
> > syslog probably doesn't notice that. But that probably shows up on the
> > mach console.
>
> Speaking of which: bug #1057397.
(inetutils-syslogd should be working fine)
> >
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 14:08:05 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > > > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > > > > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > > > > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > > > > supported by Hurd?
> > > >
> > > > It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> > > > get it.
> > >
> > > Interesting.
> > >
> > > > Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
> > >
> > > What keyword am I supposed to grep in syslog?
> >
> > syslog probably doesn't notice that. But that probably shows up on the
> > mach console.
>
> Speaking of which: bug #1057397.
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 4, 2023, 10:40:04 AM12/4/23
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Martin-Éric
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 5, 2023, 4:10:04 AM12/5/23
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and terminates it during shutdown.
$ grep -i acpi /var/log/dmesg
biosmem: 00000000001ffd0000:00000000001fff0000, ACPI NVS
biosmem: 00000000001ffd0000:00000000001fff0000, ACPI NVS
module 0: pci-arbiter --host-priv-port=${host-port}
--device-master-port=${device-port} --next-task=${acpi-task}
$(pci-task=task-create) $(task-resume)
module 1: acpi --next-task=${disk-task} $(acpi-task=task-create)
task loaded: acpi --next-task=1
Somehow that doesn't result in a poweroff upon shutdown. The same host
is known to correctly poweroff when running the Linux kernel.
Martin-Éric
Samuel Thibault
Dec 6, 2023, 7:20:06 PM12/6/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le mar. 05 déc. 2023 10:48:57 +0200, a ecrit:
showtrans /servers/shutdown
tell you /hurd/shutdown? and
showtrans /servers/acpi
tell you /hurd/acpi? and /servers/acpi/tables/ contains some tables?
Samuel
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:48 PM Samuel Thibault <sthi...@debian.org> wrote:
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > > supported by Hurd?
> >
> > It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> > get it.
> >
> > Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
> >
> > Are you running hurd-i386 or hurd-amd64?
>
> As far as I can tell, pci-arbiter succesfully launches acpi on bootup
> and terminates it during shutdown.
Just to make sure, does
> > Martin-Éric Racine, le lun. 04 déc. 2023 12:16:59 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > ACPI support. I noticed during bootup that an ACPI server is launched,
> > > but issuing "exec sudo poweroff" merely halts the system; it doesn't
> > > send an ACPI poweroff at the end of the shutdown process.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to enable this or is ACPI poweroff merely not
> > > supported by Hurd?
> >
> > It *is* supported and works for me. There is nothing particular to do to
> > get it.
> >
> > Is the acpi translator perhaps dying at some point?
> >
> > Are you running hurd-i386 or hurd-amd64?
>
> As far as I can tell, pci-arbiter succesfully launches acpi on bootup
> and terminates it during shutdown.
showtrans /servers/shutdown
tell you /hurd/shutdown? and
showtrans /servers/acpi
tell you /hurd/acpi? and /servers/acpi/tables/ contains some tables?
Samuel
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 7, 2023, 1:40:03 AM12/7/23
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/hurd/shutdown
[2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
/hurd/acpi
[2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ ls /servers/acpi/tables/
APIC FACP SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT
[2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$
Martin-Éric
Samuel Thibault
Dec 7, 2023, 4:30:04 AM12/7/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le jeu. 07 déc. 2023 08:16:34 +0200, a ecrit:
Ok, then I don't any immediate idea, this needs investigation on your
system.
Samuel
system.
Samuel
Martin-Éric Racine
Dec 7, 2023, 4:50:04 AM12/7/23
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OS, I wouldn't remotely know where to look or using what tools.
Martin-Éric
Samuel Thibault
Dec 7, 2023, 5:00:05 AM12/7/23
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Martin-Éric Racine, le jeu. 07 déc. 2023 11:31:44 +0200, a ecrit:
?? There are plenty of wiki pages, and the whole source code is just
there to be looked at. The shutdown translator is 160 lines long and
will tell you which RPC it's trying to do to shut down the machine. From
there you have everything.
Read the source, Luke.
This was said to people 20-30 years ago when the free software movement
deployed, this is just exactly the same now, for exactly the same
reasons.
> I wouldn't remotely know where to look or using what tools.
mach_print("foobar\n"); is a very powerful tool, for a start, to know
what is actually happening.
Samuel
there to be looked at. The shutdown translator is 160 lines long and
will tell you which RPC it's trying to do to shut down the machine. From
there you have everything.
Read the source, Luke.
This was said to people 20-30 years ago when the free software movement
deployed, this is just exactly the same now, for exactly the same
reasons.
> I wouldn't remotely know where to look or using what tools.
what is actually happening.
Samuel
Svante Signell
Dec 7, 2023, 7:10:03 AM12/7/23
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On Thu, 2023-12-07 at 08:16 +0200, Martin-Éric Racine wrote:
>
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ showtrans /servers/shutdown
> /hurd/shutdown
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
> /hurd/acpi
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ ls /servers/acpi/tables/
> APIC FACP SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$
On one of my images:
>
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ showtrans /servers/shutdown
> /hurd/shutdown
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
> /hurd/acpi
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$ ls /servers/acpi/tables/
> APIC FACP SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT
> [2023-12-07 08:14](HURD i386)perkelix@pxeth:~$
ls /servers/acpi/tables/
APIC FACP HPET WAET
Wojciech (Voitek) Aniszewski
Dec 7, 2023, 9:40:04 AM12/7/23
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I'm running baremetal on a T61 (32bit) laptop.
The poweroff (shutdown -h now) also doesn't work, hurd terminates but
system remains on.
Here's a situation on my system:
wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/shutdown
/hurd/shutdown
wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
/hurd/acpi
wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans ls /servers/acpi/tables
APIC BOOT FACP MCFG SSDT SSDT SSDT TCPA
'ASF!' ECDT HPET SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT
dunno what I'm looking at unfortunately, docs needed.
cheers
Voitek
[PS. picking up on what Samuel wrote in this thread, I'm willing to look
at the source when time permits,
as well as many aspects of Hurd; this is why I bought that laptop:).
ACPI would be cool to see the remaining
battery percentage... For now I got stuck in the trivial stuff
such as Xorg won't start etc., have to resolve that first.]
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The poweroff (shutdown -h now) also doesn't work, hurd terminates but
system remains on.
Here's a situation on my system:
wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/shutdown
/hurd/shutdown
wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
/hurd/acpi
wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans ls /servers/acpi/tables
APIC BOOT FACP MCFG SSDT SSDT SSDT TCPA
'ASF!' ECDT HPET SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT
dunno what I'm looking at unfortunately, docs needed.
cheers
Voitek
[PS. picking up on what Samuel wrote in this thread, I'm willing to look
at the source when time permits,
as well as many aspects of Hurd; this is why I bought that laptop:).
ACPI would be cool to see the remaining
battery percentage... For now I got stuck in the trivial stuff
such as Xorg won't start etc., have to resolve that first.]
---
/^..^\
( (••) )
(|)_._(|)~
Wojciech (Voitek) ANISZEWSKI
OrcId : https://orcid.org/0000-0002-4248-1194
Scholar: https://tinyurl.com/y28b8gfp
RG : https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wojciech_Aniszewski
Twitter: @echo_dancers3
GPG ID : AC66485E
Samuel Thibault
Dec 7, 2023, 6:00:05 PM12/7/23
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Wojciech (Voitek) Aniszewski, le jeu. 07 déc. 2023 14:23:35 +0100, a ecrit:
> docs needed.
ACPI is documented, that's completely independent from the Hurd.
That being said, start from the start: the shutdown trigger is performed
by the shutdown translator, in shutdown/shutdown.c, which calls into the
acpi translator. Then it's a matter of following the function calls, put
mach_print() calls along the way, and check what is actually happening.
Samuel
> wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/shutdown
> /hurd/shutdown
> wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
> /hurd/acpi
> wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans ls /servers/acpi/tables
> APIC BOOT FACP MCFG SSDT SSDT SSDT TCPA
> 'ASF!' ECDT HPET SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT
>
> dunno what I'm looking at unfortunately,
To tell the real truth, I don't know what these tables are either.
> /hurd/shutdown
> wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans /servers/acpi
> /hurd/acpi
> wojciech@saiph:~$ showtrans ls /servers/acpi/tables
> APIC BOOT FACP MCFG SSDT SSDT SSDT TCPA
> 'ASF!' ECDT HPET SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT
>
> dunno what I'm looking at unfortunately,
> docs needed.
ACPI is documented, that's completely independent from the Hurd.
That being said, start from the start: the shutdown trigger is performed
by the shutdown translator, in shutdown/shutdown.c, which calls into the
acpi translator. Then it's a matter of following the function calls, put
mach_print() calls along the way, and check what is actually happening.
Samuel
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