Question for DD: TeX live upload to unstable?
Norbert Preining
More than one month the texlive packages have been in experimental, 3
(small) bugs have occurred, all are fixed in current versions.
I think I won't get more testing from experimental.
Would you agree that it is ok to upload to unstable?
Best wishes
Norbert
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Ralf Stubner
>
> Would you agree that it is ok to upload to unstable?
I am not a DD, but I would say 'go for it'!
cheerio
ralf
Atsuhito Kohda
Subject: Question for DD: TeX live upload to unstable?
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:16:16 +0100
> Hi DDs! Hi all!
Hi all!
> More than one month the texlive packages have been in experimental, 3
> (small) bugs have occurred, all are fixed in current versions.
>
> I think I won't get more testing from experimental.
>
> Would you agree that it is ok to upload to unstable?
I tested to install texlive in my Debian testing (not unstable,
but with teTeX 3.0) system. I found some problems.
* texlive-extra-utils had "duplicated files" with dvi2tty
(/usr/bin/dvi2tty) and dviutils (/usr/bin/dviconcat).
Is it necessary to conflict with these packages? (or remove
the binaries?)
I manually removed dvi2tty and dviutils.
* texlive-base-bin (2005-1) failed to configure as follows;
Running mktexlsr. This may take some time. ... done.
Building format(s) --all . This may take some time. ...
fmtutil-sys failed. Output has been stored in
This seemed to be cause by wrong entry "ushyph1.tex" in
/etc/texmf/language.d/00tetex.cnf
I changed "ushyph1.tex" to "hyphen.tex" in 00tetex.cnf and
run "update-language" then upgrading went smoothly.
Regards, 2006-2-19(Sun)
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Norbert Preining
On Son, 19 Feb 2006, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> I tested to install texlive in my Debian testing (not unstable,
> but with teTeX 3.0) system. I found some problems.
Thanks for testing ...
> * texlive-extra-utils had "duplicated files" with dvi2tty
> (/usr/bin/dvi2tty) and dviutils (/usr/bin/dviconcat).
> Is it necessary to conflict with these packages? (or remove
> the binaries?)
>
> I manually removed dvi2tty and dviutils.
Ok, I will
- conflict with dviutils as it contains only dviconcat and dviselect,
but not dvitodvi nor dvibook, which are included in the seetex
distribution
- but I will blacklist dvi2tty and instead depend/suggest dvi2tty
Debian package.
Thanks for spotting this, it is hard to check all packages in Debian ;-)
> * texlive-base-bin (2005-1) failed to configure as follows;
>
> This seemed to be cause by wrong entry "ushyph1.tex" in
> /etc/texmf/language.d/00tetex.cnf
This is a bug in tetex which has already been fixed in 3.0-12, do you
have this version or higher installed? The problem was that the magic
header was *not* included in the 00tetex.cnf file, so it was included in
the final language.dat, *which should not happen*!
> I changed "ushyph1.tex" to "hyphen.tex" in 00tetex.cnf and
> run "update-language" then upgrading went smoothly.
Better would be to remove 00tetex.cnf, or add the magic header
% -_- DebPkgProvidedMaps -_-
Thanks a lot and all the best
Norbert
looking forward to Japan, and being angry with himself that his had
somehow not manages to speak/learn Italian and at the same time learn
Japanese fast enough ...
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Norbert Preining
> > * texlive-base-bin (2005-1) failed to configure as follows;
> >
> > This seemed to be cause by wrong entry "ushyph1.tex" in
> > /etc/texmf/language.d/00tetex.cnf
>
> This is a bug in tetex which has already been fixed in 3.0-12, do you
> have this version or higher installed? The problem was that the magic
Bingo, you are right, this is still present. The problem is that
texlive-base-bin does not call update-language so the old language.dat
is used.
Again, thanks for kicking me! Now a new test-suit is added to my tests
of texlive packages: switch-from-tetex ...
So in your case all the editing of files is too much, a simple call to
update-language
would habe been enough.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Julian Gilbey
> Ok, I will
> - conflict with dviutils as it contains only dviconcat and dviselect,
> but not dvitodvi nor dvibook, which are included in the seetex
> distribution
> - but I will blacklist dvi2tty and instead depend/suggest dvi2tty
> Debian package.
>
> Thanks for spotting this, it is hard to check all packages in Debian ;-)
Could Replace them instead.
Also, try the following:
dpkg-deb -c <texlive .deb file>
to get a list of files in the .deb's.
Then compare these lists with those found in the Contents-i386.gz file
in ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/ (or thereabouts).
Julian
Rogério Brito
I just saw that you asked for opinions regarding uploading TeX Live to
unstable.
I was about to install texlive here, but one of the things that got me
scared was the fact that the documentation packages were all
dependencies of the package texlive. Is this really intended?
I had expected it to depend on one of the l10n packages
(texlive-lang-*), with others being specified as options (i.e., with
"|").
Is this reasonable to ask?
Thanks for your packaging efforts, Rogério Brito.
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Atsuhito Kohda
Subject: Re: Question for DD: TeX live upload to unstable?
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:01:05 -0300
> scared was the fact that the documentation packages were all
> dependencies of the package texlive. Is this really intended?
>
> I had expected it to depend on one of the l10n packages
> (texlive-lang-*), with others being specified as options (i.e., with
> "|").
I suspect that texlive-lang-* have a similar problem (though
these might be more delicate...).
For example texlive-lang-polish was installed automatically
and it conflicted with ptex (name of japanese TeX system)
packages. This is not yet problem at present but will be a
problem in a near future, I guess.
Norbert Preining
On Son, 19 Feb 2006, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> Could Replace them instead.
No, I don't actually want to replace this package. Replaces are bad ;-)
Replaces are only good for *REAL* replaces, and this is not going to
happen.
> Then compare these lists with those found in the Contents-i386.gz file
> in ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/ (or thereabouts).
AFAIR I did this once to get all the conflicts I have now, but maybe I
missed some places then.
Will check again.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Norbert Preining
> > I had expected it to depend on one of the l10n packages
> > (texlive-lang-*), with others being specified as options (i.e., with
> > "|").
>
> I suspect that texlive-lang-* have a similar problem (though
> these might be more delicate...).
??? Again, I don't understand and don't see the problem. YOu can install
*ALL* the language packages together, it gives you SUPPORT for this
language, it is NOT a i18n package!
> For example texlive-lang-polish was installed automatically
> and it conflicted with ptex (name of japanese TeX system)
> packages. This is not yet problem at present but will be a
> problem in a near future, I guess.
Umpf, why did I make ptex a conflict with texlive-lang-polish? Strange.
It should probably go somewhere else.
But there is one item on my TODO list:
- remove all ocnflicts as the texlive packages now install their files
into texmf-texlive, check wether this really works with all
the packages.
I am still not sure if I want to do this, ...
Concerning ptex: I have no idea wether this will work with TeXlive
packages at all. Can someone inform me? Any idea? What is actually
needed from a basic tex package for ptex to work?
Best wishes
Norbert
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Norbert Preining
On Son, 19 Feb 2006, Rogério Brito wrote:
> I was about to install texlive here, but one of the things that got me
> scared was the fact that the documentation packages were all
> dependencies of the package texlive. Is this really intended?
Do I understand correctly that you are scared from
`texlive' depends on `texlive-doc-foobar'
?
Why?
The description of the texlive package states clearly that it tries to
pull in *ALL* packages necessary to get a system which resembles the
full installation of TeX live from the original DVDs.
You don't have to install `texlive',
aptitude install texlive-latex-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended
is definitely enough for normal use.
> I had expected it to depend on one of the l10n packages
> (texlive-lang-*), with others being specified as options (i.e., with
> "|").
>
> Is this reasonable to ask?
Again, see the intention behind the `texlive' package. You don't NEED
this package, it is a meta package *only*. Install whatever language you
need together with the relevant packages.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Norbert Preining
On Son, 19 Feb 2006, Norbert Preining wrote:
> - but I will blacklist dvi2tty and instead depend/suggest dvi2tty
> Debian package.
Hmmm, can one of you give me a hint how to proceed in this:
- texlive-extra-utils 2005-1 has /usr/bin/dvi2tty
- texlive-extra-utils *should* depend on dvi2tty and does not include
the dvi2tty files
How can I do this that the upgrade works smooth? dpkg first tries to
unpack dvi2tty which breaks because 2005-1 is installed. And it cannot
install 2005-2 as it depends on dvi2tty?
It is true that this is due to the fact that I missed the conflict in
2005-1, but what can I do now?
Best wishes
Norbert
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> Hmmm, can one of you give me a hint how to proceed in this:
>
> - texlive-extra-utils 2005-1 has /usr/bin/dvi2tty
> - texlive-extra-utils *should* depend on dvi2tty and does not include
> the dvi2tty files
>
> How can I do this that the upgrade works smooth? dpkg first tries to
> unpack dvi2tty which breaks because 2005-1 is installed. And it cannot
> install 2005-2 as it depends on dvi2tty?
Quite logical.
I see only two solutions:
- manually help your users having difficulties to upgrade (by mail,
telling them to remove 2005-1 before upgrading). This is still
acceptable IMO as texlive is still in experimental.
- first upload a version of texlive-extra-utils that Conflicts with
dvi2tty and then, upload the version that depends on dvi2tty. Of
course, the upgrade will be smooth only if the user upgrades to
2005-2 before upgrading to 2005-3...
I think I would go for the first solution, myself.
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Norbert Preining
> - manually help your users having difficulties to upgrade (by mail,
> telling them to remove 2005-1 before upgrading). This is still
> acceptable IMO as texlive is still in experimental.
Ok, thanks, will do this.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Atsuhito Kohda
Subject: Re: Question for DD: TeX live upload to unstable?
> > I suspect that texlive-lang-* have a similar problem (though
> > these might be more delicate...).
>
> ??? Again, I don't understand and don't see the problem. YOu can install
> *ALL* the language packages together, it gives you SUPPORT for this
> language, it is NOT a i18n package!
I see your intention now. The description of texlive really
states clearly that "meta package pulling in all components of
TeX Live". But is there no chance that we provide a meta
package which pulling not all but almost all components of
TeXlive, i.e. pulling only one of texlive-doc-* and one of
texlive-lang-* ? This might be what a user wants in fact.
# sorry, I'd misunderstood Rogério's email as he was talking
# about texlive-doc-* so my former email was almost nonsense ;-)
> > For example texlive-lang-polish was installed automatically
> > and it conflicted with ptex (name of japanese TeX system)
> > packages. This is not yet problem at present but will be a
> > problem in a near future, I guess.
>
> Umpf, why did I make ptex a conflict with texlive-lang-polish? Strange.
> It should probably go somewhere else.
Yes, it is reasonable. Both polish latex and japanese ptex
use the same name "platex" so they cause conflicts sometimes.
BTW, (japanese) ptex means "P"ublishing (quality) TeX -> pTeX
> Concerning ptex: I have no idea wether this will work with TeXlive
> packages at all. Can someone inform me? Any idea? What is actually
> needed from a basic tex package for ptex to work?
I should investigate an issue before answering your question.
I don't know yet if ptex runs correctly under TeXlive or not.
I suspect only very basic part of TeXlive will be sufficient
for pTeX but not sure yet.
Norbert Preining
On Son, 19 Feb 2006, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> I see your intention now. The description of texlive really
> states clearly that "meta package pulling in all components of
> TeX Live". But is there no chance that we provide a meta
> package which pulling not all but almost all components of
> TeXlive, i.e. pulling only one of texlive-doc-* and one of
> texlive-lang-* ? This might be what a user wants in fact.
Good, what about the follwing:
texlive:
texlive-latex-recommended, texlive-fonts-recommended
texlive-context
texlive-doc-en
texlive-lang-??? (do we include some languages,
maybe those which are in teTeX,
or only english?)
texlive-full:
the current texlive including *all* packages.
WOuld this be better?
> > Umpf, why did I make ptex a conflict with texlive-lang-polish? Strange.
> > It should probably go somewhere else.
>
> Yes, it is reasonable. Both polish latex and japanese ptex
> use the same name "platex" so they cause conflicts sometimes.
Ahhhh, maybe it came from this that I alotted ptex to lang-polish.
> I suspect only very basic part of TeXlive will be sufficient
> for pTeX but not sure yet.
I will investigate, too, and see if we can get a decent cooperation.
Thanks a lot and all the best
Norbert
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> Good, what about the follwing:
> texlive:
> texlive-latex-recommended, texlive-fonts-recommended
> texlive-context
> texlive-doc-en
> texlive-lang-??? (do we include some languages,
> maybe those which are in teTeX,
> or only english?)
> texlive-full:
> the current texlive including *all* packages.
>
> WOuld this be better?
Yes, it looks much better to me. Does texlive-doc-en
means that a user can select other texlive-doc-* as option
with "|" ?
About texlive-lang-*, I'm not sure how to do in fact.
I expect someone else will comment on this.
Regards, 2006-2-20(Mon)
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Frank Küster
>> I suspect only very basic part of TeXlive will be sufficient
>> for pTeX but not sure yet.
>
> I will investigate, too, and see if we can get a decent cooperation.
I assume that we will get problems with ptex. I never tested to use it,
knowing nothing about it, but I know that ptex-bin fails to build from
source with teTeX-3.0, see #322387.
Regards, Frank
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Atsuhito Kohda
Subject: Re: Question for DD: TeX live upload to unstable?
> Norbert Preining <prei...@logic.at> wrote:
>
> >> I suspect only very basic part of TeXlive will be sufficient
> >> for pTeX but not sure yet.
> >
> > I will investigate, too, and see if we can get a decent cooperation.
>
> I assume that we will get problems with ptex. I never tested to use it,
> knowing nothing about it, but I know that ptex-bin fails to build from
> source with teTeX-3.0, see #322387.
I saw #322387 and found that ptex-bin package was obsolete.
An upstream of pTeX already released ptex-src-3.1.9 which
supported teTeX-3.0 (the current ptex-bin was based on
ptex-src-3.1.5).
So I assume that ptex will have no problem with teTeX-3.0 but
I'm not sure if it has a problem with texlive or not.
Regards, 2006-2-20(Mon)
Frank Küster
> Hi DDs! Hi all!
>
> More than one month the texlive packages have been in experimental, 3
> (small) bugs have occurred, all are fixed in current versions.
>
> I think I won't get more testing from experimental.
>
> Would you agree that it is ok to upload to unstable?
Yes, I think so.
Gruß, Frank