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Marc Haber
Dec 26, 2023, 5:30:03 PM12/26/23
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Hi,
on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
apt on the command line.
KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
find the firefox browser.
(1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
(2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
on a KDE system?
Greetings
Marc
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on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
apt on the command line.
KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
find the firefox browser.
(1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
(2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
on a KDE system?
Greetings
Marc
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Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header
Leimen, Germany | lose things." Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Soren Stoutner
Dec 26, 2023, 6:00:04 PM12/26/23
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I love KDE, but I am not aware of a full-fledged KDE-based package management
tool. I often use KDE Discover to install updates, mostly because I want to
be aware of any improvements to Discover. But I drop back to using Synaptic,
which is built on GTK, or apt on the command-line, when I need to do anything
more complex. (In the settings I check “Show package properties in the main
window” and “Clicking on the status icon marks the most likely action”.)
Seeing as how managing packages is one of the core activities of using a
system, not having a really good program in KDE for doing so seems like an odd
oversight. That being said, so far I haven’t been bothered by it enough to
volunteer to write a full-fledged KDE-based package manager, so, until I do, I
don’t have much right to complain about it.
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 3:27:05 PM MST Marc Haber wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
> graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
> user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
> apt on the command line.
>
> KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
> for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
> installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
> that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
> find the firefox browser.
>
> (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
> (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
> recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
> configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
> on a KDE system?
>
>
> Greetings
> Marc
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Soren Stoutner
so...@stoutner.com
tool. I often use KDE Discover to install updates, mostly because I want to
be aware of any improvements to Discover. But I drop back to using Synaptic,
which is built on GTK, or apt on the command-line, when I need to do anything
more complex. (In the settings I check “Show package properties in the main
window” and “Clicking on the status icon marks the most likely action”.)
Seeing as how managing packages is one of the core activities of using a
system, not having a really good program in KDE for doing so seems like an odd
oversight. That being said, so far I haven’t been bothered by it enough to
volunteer to write a full-fledged KDE-based package manager, so, until I do, I
don’t have much right to complain about it.
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 3:27:05 PM MST Marc Haber wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
> graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
> user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
> apt on the command line.
>
> KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
> for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
> installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
> that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
> find the firefox browser.
>
> (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
> (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
> recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
> configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
> on a KDE system?
>
>
> Greetings
> Marc
--
so...@stoutner.com
Sedat Dilek
Dec 27, 2023, 8:20:04 AM12/27/23
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On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:27 PM Marc Haber <mh+deb...@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
> graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
> user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
> apt on the command line.
>
> KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
> for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
> installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
> that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
> find the firefox browser.
>
> (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
Hi Marc,
>
> Hi,
>
> on my new notebook I am trying to do more administrative tasks in
> graphical tools to be able to answer beginners' questions in the unix
> user group. That also means package management, which I usually do with
> apt on the command line.
>
> KDE Discover seems to not quite the package management tool I am looking
> for. It only says that my Debian unstable offers like 2000 packages for
> installation (the notebook alone has 2400 packages installed), it says
> that the installation only has 240 packages installed. And it cannot
> find the firefox browser.
>
> (1) Am I holding KDE Discover wrong?
there is some work to be done to get KDE/discover run properly and
update all the software catalogues while recognizing your
sources.list.
This resulted in more MB to be downloaded for all my
repository-information - when using/checked with apt.
But I never installed software via KDE/discover - just displayed what
software is available.
Maybe, I can share my mini-howto when I am in front of my Debian system.
IIRC apt-config-xxx and packagekit needs to be adapted.
When I was using mobile network connection I disabled some settings in
apt-config-xxx to reduce the amount of (repository) data which is
required by KDE/discover to build the software-catalogues.
> (2) If KDE Discover is not what I am looking for, what is the
> recommended way to do package management, install, deinstall,
> configure, purge Debian packages from the Debian archive
> on a KDE system?
>
BR,
-Sedat-
Luc Castermans
Dec 27, 2023, 10:40:04 AM12/27/23
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hi
mini howto would be nice. I use "apt" too, never was aware e.g. Firefox is not seen be Discover although enabled in sources.list
Luc
mini howto would be nice. I use "apt" too, never was aware e.g. Firefox is not seen be Discover although enabled in sources.list
Luc
Sedat Dilek <sedat...@gmail.com> schreef op 27 december 2023 13:16:50 UTC:
David Hill
Dec 27, 2023, 8:00:04 PM12/27/23
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I use too use apt, but there is Apper. It is not as "shiny and
bright" as Discover but does provide a KDE GUI to package
management and seems to include all packages in sources.list. It's
very basic - it does not seem provide for purging or autoremove
for example.
Marc Haber
Jan 21, 2024, 2:10:06 PMJan 21
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Hi,
thanks for your comments. I have in the mean time decided that plasma
discover is probably not the correct tool to maintain a Debian system
and will continue to recommend using the command line tools or synaptic
if a clickable frontend is absolutely desired by the local user even if
KDE is being used.
thanks for your comments. I have in the mean time decided that plasma
discover is probably not the correct tool to maintain a Debian system
and will continue to recommend using the command line tools or synaptic
if a clickable frontend is absolutely desired by the local user even if
KDE is being used.
Sedat Dilek
Jan 22, 2024, 6:00:04 AMJan 22
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Hi Marc,
yes, I agree.
I will again drop DEP-11 (package) meta-data support and limit APT
translations (see attachments).
Best regards,
-Sedat-
yes, I agree.
I will again drop DEP-11 (package) meta-data support and limit APT
translations (see attachments).
Best regards,
-Sedat-
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