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Mathias Behrle

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Jul 4, 2023, 7:00:04 AM7/4/23
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Hi together,

I got https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1037077
refering to
https://www.iso20022.org/intellectual-property-rights
and
https://www.iso20022.org/sites/default/files/documents/D7/SWIFTStandards_LIC_OUT_V5_.pdf

I didn't find any reference to this license at
https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses .

To be sure I wanted to gather feedback if the following statements make the
license DFSG indeed incompatible:

2. License
SWIFT hereby grants you a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to
use or promote SWIFTStandards (i) for information transmission purposes in or
outside the context of SWIFT messaging services and/or (ii) to develop
software, products or services which support transmission of information in
accordance with SWIFTStandards.

3. Limitations
You may not directly or indirectly sell SWIFTStandards. You may not modify
SWIFTStandards while maintaining “SWIFTStandards” as a reference for the
modified standard. This License Agreement does not grant you a license to use
any of SWIFT’s trademarks, except the trademark “SWIFTStandards” for the use as
defined in Section 2.


Thanks for your input!
Mathias

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Walter Landry

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Jul 4, 2023, 1:10:04 PM7/4/23
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Mathias Behrle <mbe...@debian.org> writes:
> 2. License
> SWIFT hereby grants you a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to
> use or promote SWIFTStandards (i) for information transmission purposes in or
> outside the context of SWIFT messaging services and/or (ii) to develop
> software, products or services which support transmission of information in
> accordance with SWIFTStandards.

This feels funny. It does not allow users to use SWIFTStandards to
advocate against SWIFTStandards. As written, you can not even use it to
improve the standard. Users also can not use it in unexpected ways,
such as an art piece.

> 3. Limitations
> You may not directly or indirectly sell SWIFTStandards. You may not modify
> SWIFTStandards while maintaining “SWIFTStandards” as a reference for the
> modified standard. This License Agreement does not grant you a license to use
> any of SWIFT’s trademarks, except the trademark “SWIFTStandards” for the use as
> defined in Section 2.

I think this would preclude putting SWIFTStandards on a DVD and selling
it. It is not directly selling SWIFTStandards, but it is indirectly
selling it.

So I do not think it passes the DFSG. It would be suitable for
non-free. IANADD. IANAL. YMMV.

Cheers,
Walter Landry

Mathias Behrle

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Jul 26, 2023, 4:10:04 AM7/26/23
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* Walter Landry: " Re: SWIFTStandards IPR Policy" (Tue, 04 Jul 2023 09:39:49
-0700):

Hi Walter,

thanks for your feedback.
I agree.

> It would be suitable for non-free. IANADD. IANAL. YMMV.

I am even not sure if the package qualifies for non-free because the files
in question are currently distributed by Tryton upstream *without* resp.
under a *wrong* license.

The feedback on the issue is unfortunately poor
https://foss.heptapod.net/tryton/tryton/-/issues/12304#note_300126

I think I will move to a dfsg package excluding those files and disabling
the tests (which is obviously a pity).

Cheers,
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