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Asahi Linux Support - any plans?
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Andrew Worsley
Aug 4, 2022, 8:50:03 AM8/4/22
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I am wondering if there are any plans for supporting Asahi/M1 linux in
the debian kernels?
At the moment there are about 173 patches from the v5.19 kernel - see
https://paste.debian.net/1249157/
Is that too many to be practical for debian arm64 building?
What about an experimental kernel?
Is a separate package more suitable?
Who would I talk to about debian installer support.
I tried asking on debian-kernel IRC but it seems to be mostly
automated postings.
Thanks
Andrew
the debian kernels?
At the moment there are about 173 patches from the v5.19 kernel - see
https://paste.debian.net/1249157/
Is that too many to be practical for debian arm64 building?
What about an experimental kernel?
Is a separate package more suitable?
Who would I talk to about debian installer support.
I tried asking on debian-kernel IRC but it seems to be mostly
automated postings.
Thanks
Andrew
Diederik de Haas
Aug 4, 2022, 12:10:02 PM8/4/22
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On donderdag 4 augustus 2022 14:40:14 CEST Andrew Worsley wrote:
> I am wondering if there are any plans for supporting Asahi/M1 linux in
> the debian kernels?
> At the moment there are about 173 patches from the v5.19 kernel - see
> https://paste.debian.net/1249157/
The normal course of action is to get it included in the upstream linux kernel
> I am wondering if there are any plans for supporting Asahi/M1 linux in
> the debian kernels?
> At the moment there are about 173 patches from the v5.19 kernel - see
> https://paste.debian.net/1249157/
first and then Debian will pick it up 'automatically' at some point.
If there are kernel modules that need to be enabled, then that is something
that needs to be done on the Debian kernel side, but it would still need to be
available in the upstream kernel (first).
HTH
Andrew Worsley
Aug 4, 2022, 9:40:02 PM8/4/22
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Thanks Diederik, so I'm guessing 173 is way too much but a lot of it might not
be critical to something running on the M1 (versus M2).
If I was to find a smaller set of say 10 patches to 5.19 that booted a usable
system would I be able to submit those patches some where for building (arm64 of course)?
Andrew
Marc Haber
Aug 5, 2022, 2:10:03 AM8/5/22
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2022 at 11:36:40AM +1000, Andrew Worsley wrote:
> Thanks Diederik, so I'm guessing 173 is way too much but a lot of it might
> not
> be critical to something running on the M1 (versus M2).
>
> If I was to find a smaller set of say 10 patches to 5.19 that booted a
> usable
> system would I be able to submit those patches some where for building
> (arm64 of course)?
Is there any reason why you don't take those patches upstream where they
> Thanks Diederik, so I'm guessing 173 is way too much but a lot of it might
> not
> be critical to something running on the M1 (versus M2).
>
> If I was to find a smaller set of say 10 patches to 5.19 that booted a
> usable
> system would I be able to submit those patches some where for building
> (arm64 of course)?
belong?
Greetings
Marc
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Andrew Worsley
Aug 5, 2022, 3:10:02 AM8/5/22
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I believe the Asahi team has them all submitted via the various relevant maintainers
and they are working their way through the groups. Some patches make significant
changes and there is obviously discussion about whether they need to be reworked
before being passed up.
That said there was this recently on the 5.19 kernel release from Linus Torvalds...
"...
On a personal note, the most interesting part here is that I did the release (and am writing this) on an arm64 laptop. It's something I've been waiting for for a _loong_ time, and it's finally reality, thanks to the Asahi team. We've had arm64 hardware around running Linux for a long time, but none of it has really been usable as a development platform until now. ..."
Andrew Worsley
Aug 6, 2022, 8:50:03 AM8/6/22
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The patches are being put upstream by developers far better than me -
but it will take time.
I just had a painful time trying to trim down the patchset but it's
not likely to be below 100 for a while yet.
The Asahi team are doing a good job of keeping them rebased onto the
latest kernel and I'm using
debian bookworm + Asahi kernel on an M1 MacBook Air very nicely as my
work and general machine.
I was thinking if it is fairly easy to build a "feature-set" for M1/M2
that is pretty functional - it would allow the
work to progress on getting the debian installer working for it for
bookworm. The initial installing part is quite complex
as there is no way around booting into apple's recovery mode to set up
the boot stub.
Once that is done then you can build and install Asahi kernels
packages as normal:
make -j 8 bindeb-pkgdpkg -i
../linux-image-5.19.0-asahi-00001-gddbaa60fc907_5.19.0-asahi-00001-gddbaa60fc907-9_arm64.deb
No need to touch the installer again
If the bookworm debian installer supports apple M1 it will be really
useful to many people.
Andrew
but it will take time.
I just had a painful time trying to trim down the patchset but it's
not likely to be below 100 for a while yet.
The Asahi team are doing a good job of keeping them rebased onto the
latest kernel and I'm using
debian bookworm + Asahi kernel on an M1 MacBook Air very nicely as my
work and general machine.
I was thinking if it is fairly easy to build a "feature-set" for M1/M2
that is pretty functional - it would allow the
work to progress on getting the debian installer working for it for
bookworm. The initial installing part is quite complex
as there is no way around booting into apple's recovery mode to set up
the boot stub.
Once that is done then you can build and install Asahi kernels
packages as normal:
make -j 8 bindeb-pkgdpkg -i
../linux-image-5.19.0-asahi-00001-gddbaa60fc907_5.19.0-asahi-00001-gddbaa60fc907-9_arm64.deb
No need to touch the installer again
If the bookworm debian installer supports apple M1 it will be really
useful to many people.
Andrew
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