GCC on a Pentium running Win95
Martin Schumacher
I have what I thought was a simple task to download and install a "C"
compiler on my desktop.
I "web searched" for "gcc compiler" and came to the Debian web page.
I cannot believe I have read so much information on quite a number of
your Debian web pages, including searching for the elusive "gcc
compiler", and am no closer to my initial objective.
The impression I get is that it is so simple to use, yet, no where is
the starting point, to "Download the gcc package, and read the
instructions, and install". So I can begin to write "c" code, compile
it, and run the resultant executable.
Your packages and package dependancies I can under stand, yet I cannot
find the gcc compiler package, nor work out what dependancies it has,
and how to get them.
Therefore please help me.
Could you tell me what webpages to get to. What Icons to click to
download the zipped files, to get a running gcc compiler on my machine.
With thanks,
martin
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Nathan E Norman
: Dear Debian,
: I have what I thought was a simple task to download and install a "C"
: compiler on my desktop.
: I "web searched" for "gcc compiler" and came to the Debian web page.
[ snip ]
: Your packages and package dependancies I can under stand, yet I cannot
: find the gcc compiler package, nor work out what dependancies it has,
: and how to get them.
I'll assume you have a Debian system already. If that's the case:
- Login as root.
- run `dselect'.
- Search (press the `/' key) for "gcc".
- Verify that you have the "gcc" package highlighted, and press `+' to
select the package for install.
- Hit the "Enter" key, and let dselect do its thing.
- Enjoy.
If you don't have a running Debian system then you probably want to
install the gcc package provided by your distribution, or check the GNU
archive at "prep.ai.mit.edu".
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Ossama Othman
> If you don't have a running Debian system then you probably want to
> install the gcc package provided by your distribution, or check the GNU
> archive at "prep.ai.mit.edu".
FYI, the "prep" site is the old name. From what I understand, the FSF has
a new domain. Here are some of the GNU/FSF sites with the new domain:
FSF: http://www.gnu.org
Old Domain New Domain
------------ -----------
ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu ftp://ftp.gnu.org
ftp://alpha.ai.mit.edu ftp://alpha.gnu.org
GNU archives are in /pub/gnu in each of the above two ftp sites. The
"alpha" site contains unreleased/unstable "alpha stage" GNU software.
-Ossama
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Ossama Othman <oth...@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu>
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Joseph Carter
distribution, a free alternative to running anything written by Micro$oft.
There's a bit of a learning curve, but the advantages of a free operating
system with full source code combined with the stability and reliability of
the unix-like platform in addition to Debian package system (which is good
already if you grok computers well and it's getting better and easier all te
time) and many of us think it's worth it.
If you are intersted in this, many of us would be happy to help you get
started. If you just want a free C compiler, I suggest you look into the
gnu-win32 project, for which I haven't a URL at this time (sorry!) You
might look into it anyway as it includes many of the GNU tools which you'd
feel more comfortable in Linux if you knew anyway.
I can also suggest a couple very good books for beginners to learn about
Linux and one for Debian GNU/Linux in particular.
(I wish I had a CDR and another 600 megs HD space.. I've got ideas in my
head for a CD-ROM that would help dos/win users get to know Debian better
and all that.. That live filesystem thing for others on the -devel list who
are familiar with the discussion.)
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M.C. Vernon
> Dear Debian,
> I have what I thought was a simple task to download and install a "C"
> compiler on my desktop.
> I "web searched" for "gcc compiler" and came to the Debian web page.
>
> your Debian web pages, including searching for the elusive "gcc
> compiler", and am no closer to my initial objective.
>
> The impression I get is that it is so simple to use, yet, no where is
> the starting point, to "Download the gcc package, and read the
> instructions, and install". So I can begin to write "c" code, compile
> it, and run the resultant executable.
>
> find the gcc compiler package, nor work out what dependancies it has,
> and how to get them.
Well....If you are using a W95 box, then you need to compile the compiler
to run under W95 - linux binaries will not work on a W95 box. I suggest
you search for djgpp (which is gcc ported to DOS), and there is a W95
frontend available for it somewhere too.
Matthew
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DAVID J THOMPSON
Try <http://www.cygnus.com/misc/gnu-win32/>.
Joseph Carter wrote...
> If you just want a free C compiler, I suggest you look into the
> gnu-win32 project, for which I haven't a URL at this time (sorry!)
> You might look into it anyway as it includes many of the GNU tools
> which you'd feel more comfortable in Linux if you knew anyway.
Cheers.
Martin Bialasinski
>> "BG" == Bill Geddes <ged...@col.hp.com> writes:
BG> system - now that I've discoverd "apt". But I have to cheat and go get apt
BG> after I have a minimal working system because it couldn't be put into
BG> the stable distribution - a mistake since leading people (especially new
BG> folks) into using 'dselect' is just not a way to say "Welcome to the world
BG> of Debian/GNU Linux".
The policy is to leave a stable distribution alone. Only security
related bugfixes find their way into stable. It is suppose to be a
distribution of packages which have proven to be "good". Introducing new
versions or new packages has the possibility of introduction of
bugs. There has been more then one new version of apt since stable was
released. It was quite buggy at the beginning.
BG> 1. Website - It is organized by and for experienced developers.
BG> Change it to serve the majority of the population which does not
BG> yet, but wants to use debian. There's a lot of good information,
BG> but it's scattered all over. Make it task-oriented.
The wwwteam will be quite happy about your helping hand. Subscribe to
the debian-www mailinglist and talk to them about your ideas and how
you could help.
Ciao,
Martin
Bill Geddes
Mr. Schumacher makes a good point. It should not be overlooked.
Debian is a very strong distribution, but lacks in some areas.
The website does have a lot of information, but it is not organized
in a way that leads you to information. Also, it could be more complete.
I believe that all of this is related to the roots of debian - the
development effort is dominated by a lot of VERY knowledgeable guys whose
knowledge and experience have yet to be captured in a cohesive set of
documents.
If you haven't been deeply involved since the "beginning", debian
doesn't make things easy for you. Not that individuals won't help, just
that there are so many details that require a guru to take care of - things
that shouldn't require that kind of help - that it can be discouraging.
Like installation. I know that this is being worked on, and it has
improved over the years I have used debian. I really like the packaging
My point here is not to flame. Debian's weakness can easily be corrected,
in my opinion, by working on two simple areas:
1. Website - It is organized by and for experienced developers. Change
it to serve the majority of the population which does not yet, but wants to
use debian. There's a lot of good information, but it's scattered all over.
Make it task-oriented.
2. Installation - It's getting better, but too many times, there are things
which require a call to a guru. Simply knowing where to go when things
are stuck would help. Limit the choices, emphasize getting a working, useful
system alive. After that, choices are the strength of debian, and apt makes
it positively easy to get an application, and dump it if you don't like it.
But getting there is not easy, yet.
Michael Stone
> >> "MS" == Michael Stone <mst...@itri.loyola.edu> writes:
> MS> But it would be nice if there was a version of apt compiled against
> MS> hamm -- the one in slink doesn't work with hamm since the libstdc++
> MS> change. :(
>
> There is a version which will even work in bo. It is in hamm/upgrade.
But that needs oldlibs, doesn't it? That's why I said "a version
compiled against hamm."
Mike Stone
M.C. Vernon
> Mr. Schumacher makes a good point. It should not be overlooked.
> Debian is a very strong distribution, but lacks in some areas.
> The website does have a lot of information, but it is not organized
> in a way that leads you to information. Also, it could be more complete.
> I believe that all of this is related to the roots of debian - the
> development effort is dominated by a lot of VERY knowledgeable guys whose
> knowledge and experience have yet to be captured in a cohesive set of
> documents.
Well, OK, but do you have some positive suggestions? In what way could it
be improved?
> If you haven't been deeply involved since the "beginning", debian
> doesn't make things easy for you.
I disagree. I didn't have that many problems - sure one or two, but
nothing that major.
> Not that individuals won't help, just
> that there are so many details that require a guru to take care of - things
> that shouldn't require that kind of help - that it can be discouraging.
Often another user is all that is needed, not a guru.
> Like installation. I know that this is being worked on, and it has
> improved over the years I have used debian. I really like the packaging
> system - now that I've discoverd "apt". But I have to cheat and go get apt
> after I have a minimal working system because it couldn't be put into
> the stable distribution - a mistake since leading people (especially new
> folks) into using 'dselect' is just not a way to say "Welcome to the world
> of Debian/GNU Linux".
I disagree again. I know dselect isn't perfect (what is?), but I (a pretty
average person) didn't find it particularly difficult to use, and the help
screen is very useful.
> My point here is not to flame. Debian's weakness can easily be corrected,
> in my opinion, by working on two simple areas:
> 1. Website - It is organized by and for experienced developers. Change
> it to serve the majority of the population which does not yet, but wants to
> use debian. There's a lot of good information, but it's scattered all over.
> Make it task-oriented.
How about offering a solution, rather than vague waffle? IMHO the website
is pretty useful - granted the packacking-howto needs to actually be
re-written, but that's hardly a newbie issue.... Which bits are hard to
find, and why?
> 2. Installation - It's getting better, but too many times, there are things
> which require a call to a guru. Simply knowing where to go when things
> are stuck would help. Limit the choices, emphasize getting a working, useful
> system alive. After that, choices are the strength of debian, and apt makes
> it positively easy to get an application, and dump it if you don't like it.
> But getting there is not easy, yet.
I think one big advance in this would not be to offer to auto-start xdm
until the xconfig file has been done (and not to offer to build this
during the install). Aside from X, most of the basic install packages are
pretty self-explanitory to setup (and using the defaults is nearly always
fine).
Matthew
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Michael Stone
> >> "BG" == Bill Geddes <ged...@col.hp.com> writes:
>
> BG> apt after I have a minimal working system because it couldn't be put into
> BG> the stable distribution - a mistake since leading people (especially new
> BG> folks) into using 'dselect' is just not a way to say "Welcome to the world
> BG> of Debian/GNU Linux".
>
> The policy is to leave a stable distribution alone. Only security
> related bugfixes find their way into stable. It is suppose to be a
> distribution of packages which have proven to be "good". Introducing new
> versions or new packages has the possibility of introduction of
> bugs. There has been more then one new version of apt since stable was
> released. It was quite buggy at the beginning.
But it would be nice if there was a version of apt compiled against
hamm -- the one in slink doesn't work with hamm since the libstdc++
change. :(
Mike Stone
Martin Bialasinski
>> "MS" == Michael Stone <mst...@itri.loyola.edu> writes:
MS> But it would be nice if there was a version of apt compiled against
MS> hamm -- the one in slink doesn't work with hamm since the libstdc++
MS> change. :(
There is a version which will even work in bo. It is in hamm/upgrade.
Ciao,
Martin