[Proposal] Debconf4 in Brazil
Joe Drew
> As some of you may have already heard, the Debian community in Brazil would be
> pleased to host the next Debconf in Porto Alegre, Brazil.
I'd like to mention that I, having previously announced my intent to
organise Debconf 4 in Vancouver, am entirely supportive of the Debconf 4
in Brazil effort.
After Henrique de Moraes Holschuh's talk on Free Software in Brazil, I
believe very strongly that we as Debian developers should broaden our
horizons to target developing nations explicitly. Debconf 4 in Porto
Alegre will hopefully serve to make this more of a priority in our
community.
I personally will endeavour to come to Debconf 4, but am not hopeful of
my chances of being able to afford a CAN$ 1600 flight (which is the
cheapest I've found it). And, should the need arise, I will be happy to
help out with Debconf 4. (If the unforseen happens and the Brazilian
Committee cannot arrange Debconf 4 for whatever reason, I'll be happy to
re-start my Vancouver plans, too.)
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Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
> Hello, folks,
>
> As Michelle Ribeiro announced in -project[0] but hasn't garnered much
> attention from the community, we thought it would be better to repost
> this revised version of our proposal here. We're looking forward for
> your comments on this idea.
>
> Thank you,
> The Brazilian Debconf4 Committee
>
> -snip-
>
> Hello,
>
> As some of you may have already heard, the Debian community in Brazil would be
> pleased to host the next Debconf in Porto Alegre, Brazil.
I'm very interested and I intent to go to Porto Alegre for Debconf4 if
it's organized there.
> As Mako mentioned, Brazil has been extremely active in the Free Software
> movement but very unrepresented at the past Debian conferences. The Real
> (Brazilian currency) is weak compared to USD and EUR which makes coming to
> Brazil from these places affordable but going from Brazil to Europe or North
> America extremely difficult.
>
> There already is a good deal of planning to host the conference some days
> before or after the Fórum Internacional de Software Livre (International
> Free Software Forum)[1], so that Debian developers can join us in this event as
> well.
Last FISL was from Thu 5 to Sat 7 June 2003, so I guess it will happen
again from Thu 3 to Sat 5 June 2004.
If FISL occurs during the second week in July 2004 and Debconf4 during
the following week, it will coincide with the school holidays in
Australia and Europe and (I guess) more people will start making plans
to go to FISL2004 and Debconf4.
When are the school holidays in Mexico, Canada and the US?
> It's likely that DDs can give a talk at FISL and get some sponsorship that way
> as well. I already know that the Forum is interested in bringing Bruce Perens,
> for instance.
IMO, it will be more effective to help DDs from other countries in
America (America != US) like Argentina, Colombia, Chile, etc. With the
same amount of money, you could bring more DDs from neighboring
countries to Porto Alegre than from Europe, Canada or Australia.
Also, DDs from neighboring countries have the same currency problems
that you have described above and it's really expensive for them to
travel overseas.
> We already have full support from the Porto Alegre data processing company
> (Procempa) and the City Hall (through its International Relations department).
> They will provide us with free (or low-cost) food and free acommodations.
Who will provide internet access? Will you organize a debcamp (bug
squash fest) as well?
A debcamp may get some people interested to go to Porto Alegre.
What sort of free acommodation are you offering?
> With regard to flight prices, we've made some research and have some figures:
>
> Amsterdam - Porto Alegre - Amsterdam: 772.00 EUR
> Frankfurt - Porto Alegre - Frankfurt: 855.00 EUR
> London - Porto Alegre - London: 647.00 GBP
> Madrid - Porto Alegre - Madrid: 998.00 EUR
> Milan - Porto Alegre - Milan: 817.00 EUR
> Paris - Porto Alegre - Paris: 641.00 EUR
> Toronto - Porto Alegre - Toronto: 1960.00 CAD
> Oslo - Porto Alegre - Oslo (conn. in Paris): 8220 NOK = USD 1148.00
> NY - Porto Alegre - NY: 750.00 USD
> Seattle - Porto Alegre - Seattle: 830.00 USD
>
> To give a basic idea about what prices in Brazil are like:
>
> Newspaper 0.50 USD
> 1l milk 0.50 USD
> 1.5l soft drink (coke, etc) 0.70 USD
> Big Mac (#1 Combo) 3.00 USD
> City Bus 0.50 USD
> A Brazilian soccer t-shirt 20.00 USD
> A (really) great dinner 10.00 USD
> An average dinner 5.50 USD
> Movie theater 4.50 USD
>
> We already have an active mailing list to discuss our plans. That has been
> going on since Debconf3: debc...@listas.cipsga.org.br.
I couldn't find the mail list archive at listas.cipsga.org.br.
> Please, feel free to join us.
>
> 0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2003/debian-project-200308/msg00007.html
> 1. http://www.softwarelivre.org/forum2003/fotos_evento/
> 2. Generic info about Porto Alegre:
> http://www.uoregon.edu/~sergiok/brasil/portoalegre.html
> 3. Some Porto Alegre photos:
>
> Culture House
> http://www.riogrande.com.br/turismo/capital10.htm
>
> Public Market
> http://www.riogrande.com.br/turismo/fotos_mercado_publico.htm
>
> Gasometro usine
> http://www.riogrande.com.br/turismo/capital11.htm
>
> Please let us know what you think and join us at
> debc...@listas.cipsga.org.br.
>
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Marcelo E. Magallon
> > It's likely that DDs can give a talk at FISL and get some
> > sponsorship that way as well. I already know that the Forum is
> > interested in bringing Bruce Perens, for instance.
>
> IMO, it will be more effective to help DDs from other countries in
> America (America != US) like Argentina, Colombia, Chile, etc. With
> the same amount of money, you could bring more DDs from neighboring
> countries to Porto Alegre than from Europe, Canada or Australia.
>
> Also, DDs from neighboring countries have the same currency problems
> that you have described above and it's really expensive for them to
> travel overseas.
I just looked up the price for a normal flight ticket from San Jose,
Costa Rica to Sao Paulo... ouch. It starts at US$950 (incl. tax).
Maybe asking around it can get cheaper, but I didn't expect it to be
_that_ expensive, esp. if take into account that you can travel from
SJO to LAX, SFO, MIA and other destinations in southern US for under
US$400. And South America (Lima, Santiago) isn't _much_ more expensive
(US$500-600). After the initial shock, I looked up FRA <-> POA... ouch
again. EUR 1000 and up. Just for comparison, if booked ahead of time,
you can get FRA <-> SJO for around EUR 600.
So, what's the trick? Any tips on getting to Porto Alegre which have a
somewhat lower price tag? How can you get from Sao Paulo to Porto
Alegre and how much is that?
Marcelo
PS: I have asked some people in Costa Rica if they'd be interested in
organizing DebConf 2004. They are still figuring the logistics of
it (housing, venue, ...) and I can't really speak for them. Maybe
it works out, maybe it doesn't. My only real concern would be
Internet access -- I'm sure Branden can figure out what I'm talking
about :-) There's always 2006.
Andreas Tille
> it works out, maybe it doesn't. My only real concern would be
> Internet access -- I'm sure Branden can figure out what I'm talking
Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power plugs.
Do I need an adaptor to EU 220V? (Just because I'm in the process of ordering
some laptop equipment I could include such an adaptor easily now).
Kind regards
Andreas.
Leandro A. F. Pereira
For `Andreas Tille <til...@rki.de>'
On Monday, 11 August 2003 (11:33):
> Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power plugs.
127V. Some places have 220V too.
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Matthias Urlichs
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
>
>> it works out, maybe it doesn't. My only real concern would be
>> Internet access -- I'm sure Branden can figure out what I'm talking
> Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power plugs.
> Do I need an adaptor to EU 220V?
If you have different voltages, you'll need a transformer, not an adaptor.
Anyway, I wouldn't buy a laptop that doesn't accept both 1110 and 220.
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Sven Luther
> Quoted by a farm of dumb monkeys
> For `Andreas Tille <til...@rki.de>'
> On Monday, 11 August 2003 (11:33):
>
> > Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power plugs.
>
> 127V. Some places have 220V too.
Aren't notebook power supplies supposed to auto-adapt to anything
between 100 and 240V or something such ?
I also guess they don't have the round holes, but the little flat ones
like in the US ?
Friendly,
Sven Luther
Leandro A. F. Pereira
For `Sven Luther <sven....@wanadoo.fr>'
On Monday, 11 August 2003 (12:58):
>
> >
> > > Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power
> > > plugs.
> >
> > 127V. Some places have 220V too.
>
> I also guess they don't have the round holes, but the little flat ones
> like in the US ?
>
Actually, all wallet plugs except very (20+ years) old ones, contains both
round and US-style roles[1]. IIRC, the round ones are smaller than those used in
Europe -- so it's safer to bring a whatever-to-US-style plug adapter (or some
wire cutter, screwdrivers and a voltmeter :P).
[1] Wallet plug ASCII-art:
________
/ \
| o| |o |
\________/
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Steve Langasek
> > As Mako mentioned, Brazil has been extremely active in the Free Software
> > movement but very unrepresented at the past Debian conferences. The Real
> > (Brazilian currency) is weak compared to USD and EUR which makes coming to
> > Brazil from these places affordable but going from Brazil to Europe or North
> > America extremely difficult.
> > There already is a good deal of planning to host the conference some days
> > before or after the Fórum Internacional de Software Livre (International
> > Free Software Forum)[1], so that Debian developers can join us in this event as
> > well.
> Last FISL was from Thu 5 to Sat 7 June 2003, so I guess it will happen
> again from Thu 3 to Sat 5 June 2004.
> If FISL occurs during the second week in July 2004 and Debconf4 during
> the following week, it will coincide with the school holidays in
> Australia and Europe and (I guess) more people will start making plans
> to go to FISL2004 and Debconf4.
From what I can see, plane tickets in July are also correspondingly more
expensive, since this is a popular travel time; since Brazil is a long
flight from everywhere :), I think this is a factor that also needs to
be considered.
> IMO, it will be more effective to help DDs from other countries in
> America (America != US) like Argentina, Colombia, Chile, etc. With the
> same amount of money, you could bring more DDs from neighboring
> countries to Porto Alegre than from Europe, Canada or Australia.
Well, there aren't that many DDs in South America /at all/ outside of
Brazil; I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that they could all
get travel assistance if they wanted, while still providing financial
aid to others outside of South America.
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Gunnar Wolf
> I just looked up the price for a normal flight ticket from San Jose,
> Costa Rica to Sao Paulo... ouch. It starts at US$950 (incl. tax).
> Maybe asking around it can get cheaper, but I didn't expect it to be
> _that_ expensive, esp. if take into account that you can travel from
> SJO to LAX, SFO, MIA and other destinations in southern US for under
> US$400. And South America (Lima, Santiago) isn't _much_ more expensive
> (US$500-600). After the initial shock, I looked up FRA <-> POA... ouch
> again. EUR 1000 and up. Just for comparison, if booked ahead of time,
> you can get FRA <-> SJO for around EUR 600.
>
> So, what's the trick? Any tips on getting to Porto Alegre which have a
> somewhat lower price tag? How can you get from Sao Paulo to Porto
> Alegre and how much is that?
>
> Marcelo
>
> PS: I have asked some people in Costa Rica if they'd be interested in
> organizing DebConf 2004. They are still figuring the logistics of
> it (housing, venue, ...) and I can't really speak for them. Maybe
> it works out, maybe it doesn't. My only real concern would be
> Internet access -- I'm sure Branden can figure out what I'm talking
> about :-) There's always 2006.
Well... If this kind of problems can not be easily solved (although I
*do* want to go to Brazil, and there are many interesting things there,
both in the Free Software and meatspace arenas), I am interested in
setting up a Debcamp+Debconf in Mexico - Once again, if it is not for
2004, I'll push for it to be in 2006.
Mexico has more or less the same benefits than Brazil. Costs are quite
similar, but it is much less travel time from the USA and Europe, and I
suppose it is also cheaper, although I have not investigated - From the
prices I have paid in the past, I think it is US$300 to $600 from
USA/Canada/Central America, $500 to $800 from South America, and $700 to
$1000 from Europe.
I have organized Free Software conferences in the last couple of years,
so I basically know the drill - the only thing I would have to work on
to figure out is how to set up free acommodation (sleeping)... Besides
that, I think, it would be quite easy to do.
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Martin List-Petersen
> Quoted by a group of angry rabbits
> For `Sven Luther <sven....@wanadoo.fr>'
> On Monday, 11 August 2003 (12:58):
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power
> > > > plugs.
> > >
> > > 127V. Some places have 220V too.
> >
> > I also guess they don't have the round holes, but the little flat ones
> > like in the US ?
> >
>
> Actually, all wallet plugs except very (20+ years) old ones, contains both
> round and US-style roles[1]. IIRC, the round ones are smaller than those used in
> Europe -- so it's safer to bring a whatever-to-US-style plug adapter (or some
> wire cutter, screwdrivers and a voltmeter :P).
>
>
> [1] Wallet plug ASCII-art:
> ________
> / \
> | o| |o |
> \________/
Or something like the japanese guys had this year. A bendable power-plug
adaptor. You bend it to the distance between the holes.
Regards,
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Gunnar Wolf
> > it works out, maybe it doesn't. My only real concern would be
> > Internet access -- I'm sure Branden can figure out what I'm talking
> Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power plugs.
> Do I need an adaptor to EU 220V? (Just because I'm in the process of ordering
> some laptop equipment I could include such an adaptor easily now).
Laptops do not usually need adaptors - Check your power supply, they are
almost always rated for 100-240VAC. You just need a converter for the
plug, which I have found for between US$1 and $5, depending on the
place.
Note that they are much easier to find in Europe than in America, so buy
one before leaving.
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Gunnar Wolf
> > Another question raised up: Which volteage is used in Brasil for power plugs.
> > Do I need an adaptor to EU 220V?
>
> If you have different voltages, you'll need a transformer, not an adaptor.
>
> Anyway, I wouldn't buy a laptop that doesn't accept both 1110 and 220.
I would better stay away from any country where they use 1110V! :-)
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John H. Robinson, IV
>
> Well... If this kind of problems can not be easily solved (although I
> *do* want to go to Brazil, and there are many interesting things there,
> both in the Free Software and meatspace arenas), I am interested in
> setting up a Debcamp+Debconf in Mexico - Once again, if it is not for
> 2004, I'll push for it to be in 2006.
the Ensenada Linux User Group would be interested in joining in with
such a DEBCONF. i have spoken to one of the leaders about it, and he was
very amiable to the proposition.
-john
Gunnar Wolf
> Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > Well... If this kind of problems can not be easily solved (although I
> > *do* want to go to Brazil, and there are many interesting things there,
> > both in the Free Software and meatspace arenas), I am interested in
> > setting up a Debcamp+Debconf in Mexico - Once again, if it is not for
> > 2004, I'll push for it to be in 2006.
>
> the Ensenada Linux User Group would be interested in joining in with
> such a DEBCONF. i have spoken to one of the leaders about it, and he was
> very amiable to the proposition.
Ensenada?! I am quite glad/surprised to hear this - Who is there in
Ensenada? I am going to give a talk there by mid-November (Urivan Saaib
invited me). Do you know him? Do you know about the conference he is
planning?
Anyway, we can meet for a nice keysigning :)
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Gustavo Noronha Silva
> Actually, all wallet plugs except very (20+ years) old ones, contains both
> round and US-style roles[1]. IIRC, the round ones are smaller than those used in
> Europe -- so it's safer to bring a whatever-to-US-style plug adapter (or some
> wire cutter, screwdrivers and a voltmeter :P).
I've been to Switzerland once and their plugs are identical to ours... I don't
know how to call them, though... we can have some photos for you, if needed =D
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Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> I've been to Switzerland once and their plugs are identical to ours... I don't
> know how to call them, though... we can have some photos for you, if needed =D
NEMA 5-15P (plugs), NEMA 5-15R (outlets). These are the standard
computer outlets you will find. They are the american "Two flat pins for
Neutral and Power, Round for Grounding" outlets.
See: http://www.buypowergear.com/reference/nonlocking.asp
(hey, it tries to sell you stuff, but at least you don't have to pay
NEMA US$ 60 to view the specs :-P)
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Henrique Holschuh
Branden Robinson
> You just need a converter for the plug, which I have found for between
> US$1 and $5, depending on the place.
>
> Note that they are much easier to find in Europe than in America, so buy
> one before leaving.
Eh? You seem to be able to get them at any Radio Shack in the States.
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Gustavo Noronha Silva
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> > I've been to Switzerland once and their plugs are identical to ours... I don't
> > know how to call them, though... we can have some photos for you, if needed =D
>
> NEMA 5-15P (plugs), NEMA 5-15R (outlets). These are the standard
> computer outlets you will find. They are the american "Two flat pins for
> Neutral and Power, Round for Grounding" outlets.
Yeah, but there's also the 'two round for neutral and power and two flat for
neutral and power', which is probably what laptop users will need, like me.
(I need the two round ones).
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Andreas Tille
> Yeah, but there's also the 'two round for neutral and power and two flat for
> neutral and power', which is probably what laptop users will need, like me.
> (I need the two round ones).
Sorry, I started this damn part of this thread and I hope it can die now
after we all know about differences between transformers / adapters, different
plugs and how to get them. Lets raise this issue perhaps in a Debconf America
FAQ or whatever but this list is Debian devel ...
Kind regards
Andreas.
Michelle Ribeiro
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <mmag...@debian.org> escreveu:
> So, what's the trick? Any tips on getting to Porto Alegre which have a
> somewhat lower price tag? How can you get from Sao Paulo to Porto
> Alegre and how much is that?
My suggestion is buy all the tickets together, in the same company and get a big deduction or free tickets.
To get from Sao Paulo to Porto Alegre, you can
1. Take a bus (18h) - 25 USD or
2. A flight from Sao Paulo to Porto Alegre - 190 USD.
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Josip Rodin
> > So, what's the trick? Any tips on getting to Porto Alegre which have a
> > somewhat lower price tag? How can you get from Sao Paulo to Porto
> > Alegre and how much is that?
>
> My suggestion is buy all the tickets together, in the same company and get a big deduction or free tickets.
>
> To get from Sao Paulo to Porto Alegre, you can
> 1. Take a bus (18h) - 25 USD or
Eighteen hours?! Isn't that a bit too much for what seems to be a 1K km
trip?
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Michelle Ribeiro
> I'm very interested and I intent to go to Porto Alegre for Debconf4 if
> it's organized there.
Nice to read that. Joey hess told us that we "will come to Brazil even if it
means taking a bus". :)
> Last FISL was from Thu 5 to Sat 7 June 2003, so I guess it will happen
> again from Thu 3 to Sat 5 June 2004.
Exactly. Probably, Debcamp + Debconf will happen at 28 May until 01 June.
> IMO, it will be more effective to help DDs from other countries in
> America (America != US) like Argentina, Colombia, Chile, etc. With the
> same amount of money, you could bring more DDs from neighboring
> countries to Porto Alegre than from Europe, Canada or Australia.
Forum wants briging B. Peres because the work that her has been doing at Open Source Initiative (OSI). But we can think in this, specially if we get some international sponsorship.
> Who will provide internet access? Will you organize a debcamp (bug
> squash fest) as well?
Procempa will provide us with internet access and yes, we will organize a debcamp, with bug squash, bof, barbecue, culture's festival, etc.
> A debcamp may get some people interested to go to Porto Alegre.
>
> What sort of free acommodation are you offering?
We have a lot of options and will check all: vacantion colony, cowtry club, gym, etc. In some days, you'll can check our progress at http://www.debconf.org/debconf4.
Btw: you can see the archive (some messages are in portuguese) at
http://listas.cipsga.org.br/pipermail/debconf4/2003-August/thread.html
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GOTO Masanori
Call me? :) I used this kind of "universal plug" in debconf3.
Japanese voltage is 100V 50Hz, and US-style. Usually notebook can
handle 100V-220V 50Hz/60Hz (you should confirm your manual in first!).
I bought it at an electrical store on air terminal in Japan.
Regards,
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Martin List-Petersen
> At 11 Aug 2003 20:49:11 +0200,
> Martin List-Petersen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:33, Leandro A. F. Pereira wrote:
> > > Actually, all wallet plugs except very (20+ years) old ones, contains both
> > > round and US-style roles[1]. IIRC, the round ones are smaller than those used in
> > > Europe -- so it's safer to bring a whatever-to-US-style plug adapter (or some
> > > wire cutter, screwdrivers and a voltmeter :P).
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Wallet plug ASCII-art:
> > > ________
> > > / \
> > > | o| |o |
> > > \________/
> >
> > Or something like the japanese guys had this year. A bendable power-plug
> > adaptor. You bend it to the distance between the holes.
>
> Call me? :) I used this kind of "universal plug" in debconf3.
Yep ... that's the one i meant. Just noticed because i was sitting
behind you guys.
> Japanese voltage is 100V 50Hz, and US-style. Usually notebook can
> handle 100V-220V 50Hz/60Hz (you should confirm your manual in first!).
> I bought it at an electrical store on air terminal in Japan.
I even think, i've seen something like that at SFO airport, so it should
really not be the big problem to get them somewhere.
Regards,
Martin List-Petersen
martin at list-petersen dot dk
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Law of Selective Gravity: An object will fall so as to do the most
damage. Jenning's Corollary: The chance of the bread falling with the
buttered side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet.
Law of the Perversity of Nature: You cannot determine beforehand which
side of the bread to butter.
Dmitry Borodaenko
MR>> To get from Sao Paulo to Porto Alegre, you can
MR>> 1. Take a bus (18h) - 25 USD or
JR> Eighteen hours?! Isn't that a bit too much for what seems to be a
JR> 1K km trip?
Well, it means average speed of 55 kph, which is not that slow for a bus
if you don't have a highway, especially if it includes several stops to
stretch your legs.
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Dmitry Borodaenko