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admin4

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Aug 17, 2021, 6:40:02 AM8/17/21
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Dear Debian Team,

1) first (always) say something positive

being a big fan of Debian since aprox 10 years

thanks for all your efforts making Debian a easy to install (universal) reliable system, that lowers the bar for users trying to go Open Source and GNU Linux and FreeSoftware (a migration via OSX might be a good transition from Windows)

today was the day trying out the new Debian 11 with LTS (LTS is a reason for users consider switching to Ubuntu, so good choice there)

2) the problems:

E1: (error1) problem: Debian 11 won't install

tested on:

S1: (suggestion1) there needs to be an easy way to report errors

S.1.) include a "report problem" button, that automatic generates a report to store away any error logs (and dmesg) that is generated during the setup on a usb drive, for easy upload to https://debian.org/report-a-problem

or:

S2.) (even better if network works) include a "report problem" button, that automatic generates a report and uploads it to debian.org for further investigation (easily accessible as a link like https://debian.org/errors/report/2021-08-17_11-57_lenovo_x60s_128903786351782539)

Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

makes debugging things very very hard

please checkout this wonderful script that should run on some console during setup per default

https://dwaves.de/2017/06/15/linux-monitor-all-logs-in-real-time-d-follow-all-show-changes-to-log-files-under-varlog/

which would display all errors (currently via ccze) nicely in RED

for easy visual detection of problems

PS: thanks for rss feed btw this app https://dwaves.de/2021/06/16/how-to-read-news-in-the-21st-century-apps-rss-feeds-turns-the-users-android-based-device-into-an-independent-open-source-based-news-aggregator-that-respects-the-users-privacy/ allows nice following of news such as https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210814

via rss feed https://www.debian.org/News/news

On 8/17/21 10:32 AM, debian-devel-...@lists.debian.org wrote:
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Paul Wise

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Aug 17, 2021, 10:40:04 PM8/17/21
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM admin4 wrote:

> today was the day trying out the new Debian 11 with LTS (LTS is a reason for users consider switching to Ubuntu, so good choice there)

Debian 11/bullseye is not in LTS mode yet. Debian 10/buster will be in
LTS mode in a year's time when regular security support for it ends.
Debian 11/bullseye will be in LTS mode one year after the release of
Debian 12/bookworm in approximately two year's time.

> 2) the problems:
>
> E1: (error1) problem: Debian 11 won't install

Please ask for help debugging this on Debian support channels and once
you know what the problem is, then file an installation report.

https://www.debian.org/support
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug

> S1: (suggestion1) there needs to be an easy way to report errors

The Debian bug reporting tool is called reportbug, please file issues
using it. If you don't know which package is at fault, you can ask on
our support channels to find out.

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://www.debian.org/support

> Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

Sounds like a question for the support channel, but I assume it is
because nano is available, which is a user-friendly alternative to vi,
and can also replace less.

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admin4

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Aug 18, 2021, 5:20:02 AM8/18/21
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Hello Paul,

thanks for the timely reply.

On 8/18/21 4:33 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM admin4 wrote:


today was the day trying out the new Debian 11 with LTS (LTS is a reason for users consider switching to Ubuntu, so good choice there)

Debian 11/bullseye is not in LTS mode yet. Debian 10/buster will be in
LTS mode in a year's time when regular security support for it ends.

thanks for the info, alright, sounds good, Debian 10 runs just fine right now :)

Debian 11/bullseye will be in LTS mode one year after the release of
Debian 12/bookworm in approximately two year's time.


2) the problems:

E1: (error1) problem: Debian 11 won't install

Please ask for help debugging this on Debian support channels and once
you know what the problem is, then file an installation report.

https://www.debian.org/support
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug


S1: (suggestion1) there needs to be an easy way to report errors

The Debian bug reporting tool is called reportbug, please file issues
using it. If you don't know which package is at fault, you can ask on
our support channels to find out.
is this tool available during setup? with no network connection?
https://itsfoss.com/bug-report-debian/


https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://www.debian.org/support


Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

in theory yes... in reality try this:

wget https://thesquareplanet.com/feed.xml

cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works

Too many errors from stdin

Buffer written to nano.save

# argh, only works for small files!?

can not handle large files?



      

      
Sounds like a question for the support channel, but I assume it is
because nano is available, which is a user-friendly alternative to vi,
and can also replace less.


    

    
"Note that your installation report will be published in the
      Debian Bug
      Tracking System (BTS) and forwarded to a public mailing list."

    
"Make sure that
      you use an e-mail address that you do not mind being made
        public"

    
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug

    
here we go admin4 into the spam database... for trying to report
      a problem and improve a GNU Linux distribution.

    

    
will try that

    
cu

    

  



Andrey Rahmatullin
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Aug 18, 2021, 5:30:03 AM8/18/21
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:54:17AM +0200, admin4 wrote:

> >> Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

Both are included, less has Priority: standard, vim-tiny has Priority:

important.



> in theory yes... in reality try this:

> 

> wget https://thesquareplanet.com/feed.xml

> 

> cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works

> 

> *Too many errors from stdin**

> *

> 

> *Buffer written to nano.save*

> 

> *# argh, only works for small files!?*

> 

> can not handle large files?

vi doesn't support this either. You just shouldn't pipe files to editors

and call `nano feed.xml` instead.



> "Note that your installation report will be published in the Debian Bug

> Tracking System (BTS) and forwarded to a public mailing list."

> 

> "Make sure that you *use an e-mail address that you do not mind being

> made public*"

> 

> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug

> <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04#submit-bug>

> 

> here we go admin4 into the spam database... for trying to report a

> problem and improve a GNU Linux distribution.

Well, you mailed a mailing list directly instead, doing the same thing.



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admin4
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Aug 18, 2021, 6:30:03 AM8/18/21
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Hello Andrey,



On 8/18/21 11:20 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:54:17AM +0200, admin4 wrote:

>>>> Q1: (question1): why is there nor vi nor less included in the setup?

> Both are included, less has Priority: standard, vim-tiny has Priority:

> important.



after setup is complete yes, but during the setup / when doing a setup

of Debian 11 iso via

https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/11.0.0/

<https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/11.0.0/>



during the setup neither less nor vi are available in the consoles (what

gnu linux is used during setup? busybox?)



>> in theory yes... in reality try this:

>>

>> wget https://thesquareplanet.com/feed.xml

>>

>> cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works

>>

>> *Too many errors from stdin**

>> *

>>

>> *Buffer written to nano.save*

>>

>> *# argh, only works for small files!?*

>>

>> can not handle large files?

> vi doesn't support this either. You just shouldn't pipe files to editors

> and call `nano feed.xml` instead.



but then nano can not replace less as stated by pa...@debian.org



best regards

Andrey Rahmatullin
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Aug 18, 2021, 6:40:04 AM8/18/21
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:25:58PM +0200, admin4 wrote:

> Hello all, in short,

> 

>   * is there a Debian "testing" team?, that does test setups of Debian

>     ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used

>     CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),

>   * before the ISOs spread across the world on all those nice download

>     servers, for further "public beta" testing?

>   * does-it-work-well.sh script could

>       o 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)

>           + and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments

>             what does/did not work )

>       o 2) scan the hardware specs of the system

>           + anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip

>             addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to

>             debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list

>               # where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange

>                 (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red

>                 (fails, no fix available currently)

Yes, testing the pre-release ISOs and filing installation-report bugs is

encouraged during freezes.



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admin4
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Aug 18, 2021, 6:50:03 AM8/18/21
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Hello all, in short,

    
      
      
    • is there a Debian "testing" team?, that does test setups of
        Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on
        the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free
        versions)),
      • 
      
    • before the ISOs spread across the world on all those nice
        download servers, for further "public beta" testing?
      • 
      
    • does-it-work-well.sh script could
      • 
      
          
        
        • 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5
          stars)
          • 
        
            
          
          • and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments
            what does/did not work )
            • 
        
          
        
        • 2) scan the hardware specs of the system
          
        
          • 
        
              
            
            • where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange
              (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red
              (fails, no fix available currently)
              
            
              • 
          
            
        
            
      
          
    
        
    
        just trying to help ensure the quality of Debian stays rock solid
      and frustration free especially for new users, that might not want
      to wait for days, until a fix is uploaded and then simply go to
      ubuntu
        
    
        but as Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, if Debian is broken, so is
      then probably Ubuntu
        
    
        
    
        best regards
        
    
        
  
        


        Paul Wise
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        Aug 18, 2021, 11:20:02 PM8/18/21
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        On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 9:12 AM admin4 wrote:

        

        > cat feed.xml |nano # wohooo it works

        >

        > Too many errors from stdin

        

        You need to tell nano to load stdin:

        

        cat feed.xml | nano -

        

        > here we go admin4 into the spam database... for trying to report a problem and improve a GNU Linux distribution.

        

        Please note that debian-devel is a public mailing list too, so your

        email is already public.

        Paul Wise
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        Aug 18, 2021, 11:30:03 PM8/18/21
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        On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4  wrote:

        

        > is there a Debian "testing" team?

        

        That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who

        decide to report an issue they found.

        

        > that does test setups of Debian ISOs on a bunch of different hardware with priority on the most used CPUs like amd64 and i386, (free and non-free versions)),

        

        The Debian CD team do installation testing of each new Debian release

        and each new Debian point release. They don't do things like download

        RSS feeds or try to use less/vi in the installer though, they just

        follow the installer prompts.

        

        https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting

        

        > 1) ask the user if everything works fine (rating from 1 to 5 stars)

        >

        > and user can add a comment ( send some praise or comments what does/did not work )

        

        I don't think that Debian has enough people to monitor these, we have

        enough bug reports and mailing list/forum posts to keep up with as it

        is.

        

        > 2) scan the hardware specs of the system

        

        There is a shared cross-distro hardware database:

        

        https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Database

        https://linux-hardware.org/

        https://bsd-hardware.org/

        

        Unfortunately the script used to upload to the database, called

        hw-probe, isn't yet integrated into the Debian installer nor the

        Debian live installer (calamares).

        

        https://bugs.debian.org/964853

        https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1454

        

        > anonymized! without any serials and mac addresses or ip addresses or screen resolutions!, before uploading it to debian.org/hardware-compatibility-list

        

        The above hardware database uses truncated salted hashes of some

        hardware identifiers, in order to aggregate repeat uploads of hardware

        probes of the same computer.

        

        https://wiki.debian.org/PrivacyIssues#Data_sharing

        https://github.com/linuxhw/hw-probe#privacy

        

        > where the hardware is marked in green (works) orange (can be made to work with this (link) workaround) or red (fails, no fix available currently)

        

        There isn't any way to automatically check if hardware works, you

        would need the user to check each item of hardware, make sure they did

        the check correctly and only then report it working correctly. We

        could create a Debian Live distro for hardware

        testing/compatibility/reporting/certification, but no-one has done

        that yet, although there was an idea and discussion at DebConf to do

        something similar some years ago.

        

        http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware/Certification

        

        There is a corner of our wiki where Debian users can report their

        experience with installing Debian, as well as the option to file

        installation reports, which feed back to the installer team.

        

        https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn

        admin4
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        Aug 19, 2021, 4:20:04 AM8/19/21
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        Hello all valuable and constructive contributors :)
        
    
        1) so thanks again for Debian it is just a lovely distro
        
    
        2) forgot to mention: was using the net install ISOs for the test
      (hardware
        used server hp proliant g6 (amd64) (the raid is detected fine!)
      and lenovo
        laptop x60s (i386)
        
    
        
    
        https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian-cd/11.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/
        
    
          
      
        1. because they are minimalism
          2. 
      
        2. let me install just what is needed
          3. 
      
        3. fit on a CD
          4. 
    
        
    
        testers are an important part of the team :)
        
    
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFbLyUQSbw
        
    
        
    
        best regards
        
    
        Timothy M Butterworth
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        I have been using Debian 11 since Alpha 1 release. I installed with

        non-free live DVD using the calamaris installer. I have it installed

        on three systems one Intel Celeron, one Intel i5 and one AMD Ryzen 7.

        

        I give the installer a 5 star rating although I would like to see some

        improvements made to the disk configuration utility. Currently the

        disk configuration utility is non-intuitive and appears to be designed

        for keyboard only navigation as opposed to mouse navigation. No matter

        how many times I use the disk utility I just can not get used to using

        it.

        

        I have not found any show stopper bugs. I am having an issue in KDE

        Plasma where the desktop fails to load including the wall paper. The

        screen is just black with a functional task bar. Simply logging off

        and logging back in fixes it, so it is just a minor annoyance.

        

        Having a dedicated email list and IRC channel for installation related

        concerns seems like a good idea. I could see it getting used.

        

        Tim

        Paul Wise
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        Aug 20, 2021, 7:00:03 PM8/20/21
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        On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 10:15 PM Timothy M Butterworth wrote:

        

        > I give the installer a 5 star rating although I would like to see some

        > improvements made to the disk configuration utility. Currently the

        > disk configuration utility is non-intuitive and appears to be designed

        > for keyboard only navigation as opposed to mouse navigation. No matter

        > how many times I use the disk utility I just can not get used to using it.

        

        The issue tracker for the Calamares project is on GitHub:

        

        https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues

        

        > I have not found any show stopper bugs. I am having an issue in KDE

        > Plasma where the desktop fails to load including the wall paper. The

        > screen is just black with a functional task bar. Simply logging off

        > and logging back in fixes it, so it is just a minor annoyance.

        

        Sounds like something that should be reported upstream:

        

        https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved#Issue_Reporting

        https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Issue_Reporting

        

        Once it is fixed upstream, you could talk to the Debian Qt/KDE team

        about getting it fixed in the affected Debian versions.

        

        https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/

        

        > Having a dedicated email list and IRC channel for installation related

        > concerns seems like a good idea. I could see it getting used.

        

        For the Debian Live installer, there is the upstream Calamares

        Matrix/IRC room/channel and the debian-live mailing list and IRC

        channel. For the Debian Installer there is the debian-boot mailing

        list and IRC channel.

        

        https://github.com/calamares/calamares/

        Philip Hands
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        Paul Wise <pa...@debian.org> writes:

        

        > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM admin4  wrote:

        >

        >> is there a Debian "testing" team?

        >

        > That is composed of everyone who uses Debian and especially those who

        > decide to report an issue they found.

        

        While that probably accounts for the bulk of the effort, there are also

        people that work on this within Debian (as mentioned debian-cd does

        testing), and we also have several mechanical testing efforts of various

        sorts-- e.g.:

        

          https://jenkins.debian.net

          https://reproducible-builds.org/

          https://openqa.debian.net/

          https://ci.debian.net/

          https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/

        

        (there are bound to be more that I've forgotten)

        

        Cheers, Phil.

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        admin4
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        GoodDay Mates,
        
    
        network connectivity dropping during package download is still
      there, it is a major problem, sometimes it works, sometimes not,
      this used to work very well.
        
    
        it will especially annoy new users, so this issue need to be
      debugged & fixed!
        
    
        will also write to SpaceX about it (if it has anything to do with
      their setup)
        
    
        
    
        the free version iso seems to have have a network problem during
      package download: (after software selection)
        
    
        https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218
        
    
        trying non-free now.
        
    
        tried yesterday and today installing 
        
      
        
      https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ...
        64/iso-cd/
        
      
        
      on Lenovo t440
        
      
        
      and the problem is still there... this time it downloaded 1388
      packages of 1491 before grinding to a halt...
        
    
        
    
          
      
        • after software selection (wanted to try the KDE Desktop, being
        big MATE fan for it's simplicity) from the default debian
        package mirror https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/
          • 
    
        
    it just stops downloading packages after ~100 packages (loses
    connectivity) and stays there until timeout[/list]
    
          
      
        • downloading isos via wget from just works fine
          • 
    
        
    
        best regards
        
    
        
      
        -- 

mit freundlichem Gruß / best regards


        Tomas Pospisek
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        Sep 23, 2021, 8:20:02 AM9/23/21
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        G'day admin4,

        

        I suggest you take this to the #debian IRC channel where you can 

        hopefully drill down to the root cause of the problem. A mailing list 

        like debian-devel is not really well suited to do back-and-forth 

        debugging...

        *t

        

        On 23.09.21 12:08, admin4 wrote:

        > GoodDay Mates,

        > 

        > network connectivity dropping during package download is still there, it 

        > is a major problem, sometimes it works, sometimes not, this used to work 

        > very well.

        > 

        > it will especially annoy new users, so this issue need to be debugged & 

        > fixed!

        > 

        > will also write to SpaceX about it (if it has anything to do with their 

        > setup)

        > 

        > the free version iso seems to have have a network problem during package 

        > download: (after software selection)

        > 

        > https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218 

        > <https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=149974&p=743218#p743218>

        > 

        > trying non-free now.

        > 

        > tried yesterday and today installing

        > 

        > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/cu ... 64/iso-cd/ 

        > <https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/>

        > 

        > on Lenovo t440

        > 

        > and the problem is still there... this time it downloaded 1388 packages 

        > of 1491 before grinding to a halt...

        > 

        >   * after software selection (wanted to try the KDE Desktop, being big

        >     MATE fan for it's simplicity) from the default debian package mirror

        >     https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ <https://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/>

        > 

        > it just stops downloading packages after ~100 packages (loses 

        > connectivity) and stays there until timeout[/list]

        > 

        >   * downloading isos via wget from just works fine

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