Bug#574947: global: newer release is available

[Shigio YAMAGUCHI]

Hi Ron,
If you believe there is an serious problem which prevents you
from updating the package, would you please point it out on the
GLOBAL Bug mailing list (bug-g...@gnu.org)?
Let's argue about it in the public place.

Regards,
Shigio
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[Ron]

Hi Shigio,

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:29:54AM +0900, Shigio YAMAGUCHI wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> If you believe there is an serious problem which prevents you
> from updating the package, would you please point it out on the
> GLOBAL Bug mailing list (bug-g...@gnu.org)?
> Let's argue about it in the public place.

We already discussed this in detail when you first proposed this
new change and I pointed out why elements of it were showstoppers
for distro deployment. And we had discussed, and agreed on, the
necessary constraints that any solution needed to satisfy when we
first worked on this problem together many years ago now to make
it suitable for distro users in the first place.

So far as I'm aware nothing has changed about any of that since
our last discussion, so just repeating the same arguments again
isn't likely to be a very productive use of our time.

If you have some new proposal that addresses these concerns though,
then I'll be happy to try and find some time to review and comment
upon that further.

Ron

[Shigio YAMAGUCHI]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 04:30:13 +0930
Ron <r...@debian.org> wrote:

> We already discussed this in detail when you first proposed this
> new change and I pointed out why elements of it were showstoppers
> for distro deployment. And we had discussed, and agreed on, the
> necessary constraints that any solution needed to satisfy when we
> first worked on this problem together many years ago now to make
> it suitable for distro users in the first place.

I have no memory that we reached such an agreement.

The issue you are saying might be about a mechanism about CGI script.
I wrote a RFC (Request for comment) about the issue in the GLOBAL
bug mailing list (bug-g...@gnu.org) in 21 Jun 2010.
It is the following:

Subject:[RFC] Changing the mechanism of the safe CGI script
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:14:42 +0900
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-global/2010-06/msg00008.html>

This was my proposal. You said nothing about it on the mailing list.

I know that you added some modifications to the Debian version of
GLOBAL; It is no problem. However, modifications to the main stream
GLOBAL should be argued in bug-g...@gnu.org, that is, a public place
which opened to the world. It is possible even from now.
Of course, you can add the same modifications to new Debian's package.
But you have done the neither at present.

I remember that after the RFC, you told me to adopt your modifications;
I didn't accept it. I'm sorry, if it hurt your heart. But it is an
unavoidable thing. If I accept all the request from everybody, GLOBAL
might become a complicated and mysterious thing.

You have many choices:
o Orphan the package
o Add some modifications and release the package
o Make a fork of GLOBAL
o Make a discussion on bug-g...@gnu.org
o ...

I hope you to make a choice soon. I understand that your time is stopped.
But the users is waiting for updating the package for 5 years or more.
Please think of them. A maintainer's position is not the seat of power.

Regards,
Shigio YAMAGUCHI

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[Vincent Bernat]

❦ 26 mai 2013 21:00 CEST, Ron <r...@debian.org> :

>> Hi Ron,
>> If you believe there is an serious problem which prevents you
>> from updating the package, would you please point it out on the
>> GLOBAL Bug mailing list (bug-g...@gnu.org)?
>> Let's argue about it in the public place.
>
> We already discussed this in detail when you first proposed this
> new change and I pointed out why elements of it were showstoppers
> for distro deployment. And we had discussed, and agreed on, the
> necessary constraints that any solution needed to satisfy when we
> first worked on this problem together many years ago now to make
> it suitable for distro users in the first place.
>
> So far as I'm aware nothing has changed about any of that since
> our last discussion, so just repeating the same arguments again
> isn't likely to be a very productive use of our time.
>
> If you have some new proposal that addresses these concerns though,
> then I'll be happy to try and find some time to review and comment
> upon that further.

Hi Ron!

To my understanding, those discussions were not public. This is rather
difficult to understand why we can't get a newer version of GLOBAL in
Debian. Are the problems limited to the CGI script?
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