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Robert Millan

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Jun 12, 2009, 10:30:19 AM6/12/09
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Hi,

Perhaps I didn't explain myself well, but I didn't request anything about
more applications being added to the default selection. In all honesty,
I think it's bloated enough.

So if you want to go and make decisions on behalf of the project, please
carry them yourself. Don't point to this bug as the rationale for them.

Thanks

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Josselin Mouette

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Jun 12, 2009, 10:50:13 AM6/12/09
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Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 16:17 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> Perhaps I didn't explain myself well, but I didn't request anything about
> more applications being added to the default selection. In all honesty,
> I think it's bloated enough.
>
> So if you want to go and make decisions on behalf of the project, please
> carry them yourself. Don't point to this bug as the rationale for them.

The fact that there is a C++ alternative available makes it realistic to
install tomboy or gnote as part of the default installation. Previously
this was not possible because tomboy was too big for some of the
installation media, and as you explained the lack of availability on
some architectures.

So yes, this bug is clearly a good rationale for installing tomboy with
gnome; this would have been the case earlier if we had found a way.

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Robert Millan

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Jun 12, 2009, 11:20:14 AM6/12/09
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 04:44:45PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Previously
> this was not possible because tomboy was too big for some of the
> installation media

Ah, ok. So I assume things changed radically since you wrote this:

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 11:04:18AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 02 juin 2008 à 14:10 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> > > * tomboy: very nice app, but controversial since it brings the
> > > full Mono stack, so we don't make it part of
> > > gnome-desktop-environment.
> >
> > I doubt that the size of its dep chain (~50 mb) makes it worthwhile to
> > add it to our task.
>
> Yeah, that's what I feared. I hope someone rewrites it in Vala some day...

(from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484121#20)

But I didn't hear in what way. Is there something I missed?

Josselin Mouette

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Jun 12, 2009, 12:30:12 PM6/12/09
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Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 17:02 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> Ah, ok. So I assume things changed radically since you wrote this:
>
> On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 11:04:18AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le lundi 02 juin 2008 à 14:10 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> > > > * tomboy: very nice app, but controversial since it brings the
> > > > full Mono stack, so we don't make it part of
> > > > gnome-desktop-environment.
> > >
> > > I doubt that the size of its dep chain (~50 mb) makes it worthwhile to
> > > add it to our task.
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I feared. I hope someone rewrites it in Vala some day...
>
> (from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484121#20)
>
> But I didn't hear in what way. Is there something I missed?

No, nothing has changed. The difference is that the d-i people have the
possibility to force gnote instead of tomboy for installation media
where 50 MB make a big difference.

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Robert Millan

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Jun 12, 2009, 12:30:12 PM6/12/09
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 05:48:41PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 17:02 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> > Ah, ok. So I assume things changed radically since you wrote this:
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 11:04:18AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Le lundi 02 juin 2008 à 14:10 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> > > > > * tomboy: very nice app, but controversial since it brings the
> > > > > full Mono stack, so we don't make it part of
> > > > > gnome-desktop-environment.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that the size of its dep chain (~50 mb) makes it worthwhile to
> > > > add it to our task.
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's what I feared. I hope someone rewrites it in Vala some day...
> >
> > (from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484121#20)
> >
> > But I didn't hear in what way. Is there something I missed?
>
> No, nothing has changed. The difference is that the d-i people have the
> possibility to force gnote instead of tomboy for installation media
> where 50 MB make a big difference.

It's strange, I don't see any of this mentioned in that conversation...

Josselin Mouette

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Jun 12, 2009, 4:00:11 PM6/12/09
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Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 18:08 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> > No, nothing has changed. The difference is that the d-i people have the
> > possibility to force gnote instead of tomboy for installation media
> > where 50 MB make a big difference.
>
> It's strange, I don't see any of this mentioned in that conversation...

The only reason why tomboy isn’t suitable for the default installed that
is mentioned in that conversation is the size of its dependency tree.
Not your little political agenda.

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Robert Millan

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Jun 12, 2009, 4:50:08 PM6/12/09
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 09:52:44PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 18:08 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> > > No, nothing has changed. The difference is that the d-i people have the
> > > possibility to force gnote instead of tomboy for installation media
> > > where 50 MB make a big difference.
> >
> > It's strange, I don't see any of this mentioned in that conversation...
>
> The only reason why tomboy isn’t suitable for the default installed that
> is mentioned in that conversation is the size of its dependency tree.

Right. So has any of this changed drastically in the last few months,
or is it just that size is no longer an issue for Debian installs?

And in the latter case, is there an archived discussion about this, or
did you just decide that on your own?

Josselin Mouette

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Jun 12, 2009, 6:20:09 PM6/12/09
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Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 22:45 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> Right. So has any of this changed drastically in the last few months,
> or is it just that size is no longer an issue for Debian installs?

I wonder why I care to explain things to you, since you obviously don’t
even try to understand them.

Please go trolling elsewhere. The BTS is a place to report bugs, and
this bug is fixed in the SVN. It is not a place for expressing your
religious views about Mono in twisted ways.

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Robert Millan

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Jun 13, 2009, 12:20:07 AM6/13/09
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On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:11:10AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 12 juin 2009 à 22:45 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
> > Right. So has any of this changed drastically in the last few months,
> > or is it just that size is no longer an issue for Debian installs?
>
> I wonder why I care to explain things to you, since you obviously don’t
> even try to understand them.
>
> Please go trolling elsewhere. The BTS is a place to report bugs, and
> this bug is fixed in the SVN. It is not a place for expressing your
> religious views about Mono in twisted ways.

Joss, my religion (or rather, my POV WRT religion: agnosticism) has nothing
to do with Mono or with Debian.

Anyway, the only reason we're having this conversation is I sent a
disclaimer message to this bug, so that people reading it don't
mistakenly blame me for your decisions, that's all.

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