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Bug#1036400: partman-jfs: JFS is on its way out, please remove from the installer
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Adam Borowski
May 20, 2023, 9:10:05 AM5/20/23
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Package: partman-jfs
Severity: important
Hi!
The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
upgrades past Bookworm.
Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
Meow!
Severity: important
Hi!
The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
upgrades past Bookworm.
Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
Meow!
Cyril Brulebois
May 21, 2023, 1:40:05 AM5/21/23
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Hi,
Adam Borowski <kilo...@angband.pl> (2023-05-20):
any kind of heads-up. That can be done during the Trixie release cycle,
e.g. in Alpha 1.
Feel free to ping this bug report a few weeks/months into the next release
cycle, so that we have a chance to catch our breath, and to deal with
incoming installation reports.
Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (ki...@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant
Adam Borowski <kilo...@angband.pl> (2023-05-20):
> The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
> and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
> format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
> the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
> upgrades past Bookworm.
>
> Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
It doesn't seem reasonable to do that weeks away from the release, without
> and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
> format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
> the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
> upgrades past Bookworm.
>
> Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
any kind of heads-up. That can be done during the Trixie release cycle,
e.g. in Alpha 1.
Feel free to ping this bug report a few weeks/months into the next release
cycle, so that we have a chance to catch our breath, and to deal with
incoming installation reports.
Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (ki...@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant
Adam Borowski
Jun 30, 2023, 11:10:05 AM6/30/23
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On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 07:35:36AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Adam Borowski <kilo...@angband.pl> (2023-05-20):
> > The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
> > and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
> > format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
> > the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
> > upgrades past Bookworm.
> >
> > Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
>
> It doesn't seem reasonable to do that weeks away from the release, without
> any kind of heads-up. That can be done during the Trixie release cycle,
> e.g. in Alpha 1.
Aye, sorry for having distracted you during the most busy time. I filed the
> Adam Borowski <kilo...@angband.pl> (2023-05-20):
> > The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
> > and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
> > format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
> > the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
> > upgrades past Bookworm.
> >
> > Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
>
> It doesn't seem reasonable to do that weeks away from the release, without
> any kind of heads-up. That can be done during the Trixie release cycle,
> e.g. in Alpha 1.
bug when I learned about plans of giving JFS the axe.
> Feel free to ping this bug report a few weeks/months into the next release
> cycle
Meow!
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Steve McIntyre
Jun 30, 2023, 11:40:04 AM6/30/23
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On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 04:56:37PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
>On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 07:35:36AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>> Adam Borowski <kilo...@angband.pl> (2023-05-20):
>> > The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
>> > and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
>> > format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
>> > the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
>> > upgrades past Bookworm.
>> >
>> > Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
>>
>> It doesn't seem reasonable to do that weeks away from the release, without
>> any kind of heads-up. That can be done during the Trixie release cycle,
>> e.g. in Alpha 1.
>
>Aye, sorry for having distracted you during the most busy time. I filed the
>bug when I learned about plans of giving JFS the axe.
>
>> Feel free to ping this bug report a few weeks/months into the next release
>> cycle
>
>So... it might be a better time now.
Agreed, we'll pick this up shortly.
>On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 07:35:36AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>> Adam Borowski <kilo...@angband.pl> (2023-05-20):
>> > The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
>> > and with talks of removal altogether. Thus, we really shouldn't offer to
>> > format new setups with it. There are people who kind-of remember JFS being
>> > the fastest back in the day, and it's irresponsible to set them for failed
>> > upgrades past Bookworm.
>> >
>> > Thus: please remove JFS from the installer.
>>
>> It doesn't seem reasonable to do that weeks away from the release, without
>> any kind of heads-up. That can be done during the Trixie release cycle,
>> e.g. in Alpha 1.
>
>Aye, sorry for having distracted you during the most busy time. I filed the
>bug when I learned about plans of giving JFS the axe.
>
>> Feel free to ping this bug report a few weeks/months into the next release
>> cycle
>
>So... it might be a better time now.
--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. st...@einval.com
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are
always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
-- Bertrand Russell
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Jun 30, 2023, 2:00:05 PM6/30/23
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Hello!
On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 15:07 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
> and with talks of removal altogether.
Not sure where you got this information from, but JFS [1] unlike ReiserFS [2]
is not marked as deprecated in the kernel. There was a single mail by Christoph
Hellwig suggesting to deprecate JFS in the near future but so far nothing
has been decided yet.
Adrian
> [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/fs/jfs/Kconfig
> [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/fs/reiserfs/Kconfig
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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 15:07 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> The JFS filesystem is deprecated in the kernel: on life support since 2009
> and with talks of removal altogether.
is not marked as deprecated in the kernel. There was a single mail by Christoph
Hellwig suggesting to deprecate JFS in the near future but so far nothing
has been decided yet.
Adrian
> [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/fs/jfs/Kconfig
> [2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/fs/reiserfs/Kconfig
--
.''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
: :' : Debian Developer
`. `' Physicist
`- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
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