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Bug#975524: task-lxqt-desktop: Should depend on nm-tray and blueman
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Vivia Nikolaidou
Nov 23, 2020, 4:50:03 AM11/23/20
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Package: task-lxqt-desktop
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-Cc: n.v...@gmail.com
A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network
management. If the installation was done using a temporary Ethernet connection
and the user now needs to set up WiFi, which is a common scenario for Debian
installations, there's no front-end for that. A quick search for semi-novice
users usually directs them to wicd, which does not exist in testing or sid.
Similarly, there's no applet for setting up Bluetooth connections.
Manually installing nm-tray and blueman greatly enhances the usability of
lxqt, but they should be installed by default.
-- System Information:
Debian Release: bullseye/sid
APT prefers unstable-debug
APT policy: (500, 'unstable-debug'), (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Kernel: Linux 5.9.0-2-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=el_GR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=el_GR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=en_GB
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled
Versions of packages task-lxqt-desktop depends on:
pn lxqt <none>
ii sddm 0.19.0-2
pn sddm-theme-debian-elarun | sddm-theme-debian-elarun <none>
ii task-desktop 3.61
ii tasksel 3.61
Versions of packages task-lxqt-desktop recommends:
ii hunspell-en-us 1:2019.10.06-1
ii hyphen-en-us 2.8.8-7
ii libreoffice-calc 1:7.0.3-4
pn libreoffice-gtk3 <none>
ii libreoffice-help-en-us 1:7.0.3-4
ii libreoffice-impress 1:7.0.3-4
pn libreoffice-qt5 <none>
ii libreoffice-writer 1:7.0.3-4
ii mythes-en-us 1:7.0.1-1
pn orca <none>
pn synaptic <none>
ii system-config-printer 1.5.12-1
pn xsane <none>
task-lxqt-desktop suggests no packages.
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-Cc: n.v...@gmail.com
A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network
management. If the installation was done using a temporary Ethernet connection
and the user now needs to set up WiFi, which is a common scenario for Debian
installations, there's no front-end for that. A quick search for semi-novice
users usually directs them to wicd, which does not exist in testing or sid.
Similarly, there's no applet for setting up Bluetooth connections.
Manually installing nm-tray and blueman greatly enhances the usability of
lxqt, but they should be installed by default.
-- System Information:
Debian Release: bullseye/sid
APT prefers unstable-debug
APT policy: (500, 'unstable-debug'), (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Kernel: Linux 5.9.0-2-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU threads)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=el_GR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=el_GR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=en_GB
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled
Versions of packages task-lxqt-desktop depends on:
pn lxqt <none>
ii sddm 0.19.0-2
pn sddm-theme-debian-elarun | sddm-theme-debian-elarun <none>
ii task-desktop 3.61
ii tasksel 3.61
Versions of packages task-lxqt-desktop recommends:
ii hunspell-en-us 1:2019.10.06-1
ii hyphen-en-us 2.8.8-7
ii libreoffice-calc 1:7.0.3-4
pn libreoffice-gtk3 <none>
ii libreoffice-help-en-us 1:7.0.3-4
ii libreoffice-impress 1:7.0.3-4
pn libreoffice-qt5 <none>
ii libreoffice-writer 1:7.0.3-4
ii mythes-en-us 1:7.0.1-1
pn orca <none>
pn synaptic <none>
ii system-config-printer 1.5.12-1
pn xsane <none>
task-lxqt-desktop suggests no packages.
Holger Wansing
Jan 3, 2021, 8:00:04 AM1/3/21
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Hi,
Vivia Nikolaidou <n.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Package: task-lxqt-desktop
> Severity: normal
> X-Debbugs-Cc: n.v...@gmail.com
>
> A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network
> management. If the installation was done using a temporary Ethernet connection
> and the user now needs to set up WiFi, which is a common scenario for Debian
> installations, there's no front-end for that. A quick search for semi-novice
> users usually directs them to wicd, which does not exist in testing or sid.
>
> Similarly, there's no applet for setting up Bluetooth connections.
>
> Manually installing nm-tray and blueman greatly enhances the usability of
> lxqt, but they should be installed by default.
Installing nm-tray adds 13 packages in summary, 22 MB in size (while the whole
installed lxqt system has 4,4 GB here).
I guess that's worth it.
However, I don't consider adding a bluetooth applet as needed.
People can always install things, if network connection is working ;-)
CC'ing lxqt people via pkg-lxq...@lists.alioth.debian.org.
I will add nm-tray to task-lxqt-desktop, if noone objects...
Holger
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Holger Wansing <hwan...@mailbox.org>
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Vivia Nikolaidou <n.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Package: task-lxqt-desktop
> Severity: normal
> X-Debbugs-Cc: n.v...@gmail.com
>
> A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network
> management. If the installation was done using a temporary Ethernet connection
> and the user now needs to set up WiFi, which is a common scenario for Debian
> installations, there's no front-end for that. A quick search for semi-novice
> users usually directs them to wicd, which does not exist in testing or sid.
>
> Similarly, there's no applet for setting up Bluetooth connections.
>
> Manually installing nm-tray and blueman greatly enhances the usability of
> lxqt, but they should be installed by default.
installed lxqt system has 4,4 GB here).
I guess that's worth it.
However, I don't consider adding a bluetooth applet as needed.
People can always install things, if network connection is working ;-)
CC'ing lxqt people via pkg-lxq...@lists.alioth.debian.org.
I will add nm-tray to task-lxqt-desktop, if noone objects...
Holger
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Holger Wansing <hwan...@mailbox.org>
PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
Amy Kos
Jan 3, 2021, 10:00:05 AM1/3/21
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Hi,
> A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network management.
You should have cmst (connman) installed. Works for bluetooth too.
> I will add nm-tray to task-lxqt-desktop, if noone objects...
task-lxqt-desktop already depends on lxqt metapackage which recommends
cmst (connman) or nm-tray or network-manager-gnome or plasma-nm [or wicd].
Cheers,
Amy
Holger Wansing
Jan 3, 2021, 2:40:03 PM1/3/21
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Hi,
thanks for looking into this.
"Amy Kos" <a...@disroot.org> wrote:
>
> > A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network management.
>
> You should have cmst (connman) installed. Works for bluetooth too.
Hmm, yes, cmst gets installed, when doing a installation and selecting the
lxqt-task-desktop task.
However, I see no "network-manager applet" - or whatever you call it - in the tray.
And in the "Configure Panel" dialog I also see no widget, that could be added for
network-manager or similar.
So, what to do here?
Any help for debugging?
Test installation was with bullseye-alpha3 d-i image.
>
>
> > I will add nm-tray to task-lxqt-desktop, if noone objects...
>
> task-lxqt-desktop already depends on lxqt metapackage which recommends
> cmst (connman) or nm-tray or network-manager-gnome or plasma-nm [or wicd].
So, nm-tray does not get installed automatically. That's ok, since cmst is
installed instead.
thanks for looking into this.
"Amy Kos" <a...@disroot.org> wrote:
>
> > A default installation of lxqt does not include an applet for network management.
>
> You should have cmst (connman) installed. Works for bluetooth too.
lxqt-task-desktop task.
However, I see no "network-manager applet" - or whatever you call it - in the tray.
And in the "Configure Panel" dialog I also see no widget, that could be added for
network-manager or similar.
So, what to do here?
Any help for debugging?
Test installation was with bullseye-alpha3 d-i image.
>
>
> > I will add nm-tray to task-lxqt-desktop, if noone objects...
>
> task-lxqt-desktop already depends on lxqt metapackage which recommends
> cmst (connman) or nm-tray or network-manager-gnome or plasma-nm [or wicd].
installed instead.
Holger Wansing
Jan 3, 2021, 4:20:03 PM1/3/21
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Control: reassign -1 lxqt
Control: retitle -1 cmst/connman system-tray applet: please start automatically when installed
thanks
Holger Wansing <hwan...@mailbox.org> wrote:
> Hmm, yes, cmst gets installed, when doing a installation and selecting the
> lxqt-task-desktop task.
> However, I see no "network-manager applet" - or whatever you call it - in the tray.
> And in the "Configure Panel" dialog I also see no widget, that could be added for
> network-manager or similar.
>
> So, what to do here?
> Any help for debugging?
Ok, I found that cmst is not started automatically, even when installed.
You can start it manually and then click 'Minimize' to sent it to the tray
(it's named 'Connman UI Setup' in the 'Internet' menu).
Maybe it should be automatically added to the 'Autostart' list of
'Session Settings'?
Users might not be aware of, that they have to start it by hand, since other
system tray widgets *are*automatically*started*, when installed.
I have manually added it to Autostart as 'cmst -m -w 6' command.
Works fine that way.
Retitle and reassign to lxqt.
Thanks
Control: retitle -1 cmst/connman system-tray applet: please start automatically when installed
thanks
Holger Wansing <hwan...@mailbox.org> wrote:
> Hmm, yes, cmst gets installed, when doing a installation and selecting the
> lxqt-task-desktop task.
> However, I see no "network-manager applet" - or whatever you call it - in the tray.
> And in the "Configure Panel" dialog I also see no widget, that could be added for
> network-manager or similar.
>
> So, what to do here?
> Any help for debugging?
You can start it manually and then click 'Minimize' to sent it to the tray
(it's named 'Connman UI Setup' in the 'Internet' menu).
Maybe it should be automatically added to the 'Autostart' list of
'Session Settings'?
Users might not be aware of, that they have to start it by hand, since other
system tray widgets *are*automatically*started*, when installed.
I have manually added it to Autostart as 'cmst -m -w 6' command.
Works fine that way.
Retitle and reassign to lxqt.
Thanks
Amy Kos
Jan 3, 2021, 5:50:03 PM1/3/21
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Hi,
you also can set it in cmst: Preferences - Program Control - [X] Enable Autostart
This will add 'cmst -w 5' to autostart.
Cheers,
Amy
Amy Kos
Aug 20, 2021, 3:20:03 PM8/20/21
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Hi,
yes, /etc/xdg/autostart/cmst.desktop should solve it for lxqt and lxde:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=988696
Cheers,
Amy
yes, /etc/xdg/autostart/cmst.desktop should solve it for lxqt and lxde:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=988696
Cheers,
Amy
Amy Kos
Sep 25, 2021, 7:40:02 AM9/25/21
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Control: reassign -1 cmst
Hi,
lxde uses connman-gtk not cmst. Sorry, my mistake.
Cheers,
Amy
Hi,
lxde uses connman-gtk not cmst. Sorry, my mistake.
Cheers,
Amy
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