Any plans to gate some linux.* groups ?
Francis Moreau
I'm interested in some linux groups which are currently not gated such
as:
- linux.kernel.mm
- linux.kernel.embedded
- linux.file-systems
or even a Git group may be useful since there's a quite a lot of
traffic in.
Any plans to make this happen ?
Thanks !
Francis
Moe Trin
<m28ws79...@gmail.com>, Francis Moreau wrote:
Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com
!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com
!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.glorb.com!feeder.erje.net
!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net
!cleanfeed1-b.proxad.net!nnrp5-1.free.fr!not-for-mail
>I'm interested in some linux groups which are currently not gated such
>as:
> - linux.kernel.mm
> - linux.kernel.embedded
> - linux.file-systems
>
>or even a Git group may be useful since there's a quite a lot of
>traffic in.
[compton ~]$ grep -c ^linux\. .newsrc
326
[compton ~]$ grep -c ^git\. .newsrc
383
[compton ~]$
That's 'giganews.com'. You should send mail to the newsmaster at
proxad.net. I don't know what that address would be, but RFC2142
suggests 'ne...@proxad.net'
I'm not familiar with the git groups, but most of the 'linux.*'
groups are mirrors of mailing lists (there are some duplicates), and
you may have better luck using the lists directly.
Old guy
Francis Moreau
>
> [compton ~]$ grep -c ^linux\. .newsrc
> 326
> [compton ~]$ grep -c ^git\. .newsrc
> 383
> [compton ~]$
>
> That's 'giganews.com'. You should send mail to the newsmaster at
> proxad.net. I don't know what that address would be, but RFC2142
> suggests 'ne...@proxad.net'
Well, I'm not sure to understand the current situation...
linux.kernel group seems to mirror LKML. It can be subscribed by using
all news servers I've tried. So the mirror is probably done by a news
server and propagated to the rest of world. Which server ? I dunno...
But linux.kernel.mm, for example, can't be reached by my news server
or news.aioe.org server for example. Gmane knows this group but it's
because its group is gated to the linux-mm mailing list.
I assume the same is done by giganews server.
So the question is why 'linux.kernel' group can be reached but not
'linux.kernel.mm' ?
thanks
Francis
Moe Trin
<m2abck8...@gmail.com>, Francis Moreau wrote:
>ibup...@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) writes:
>> [compton ~]$ grep -c ^linux\. .newsrc
>> 326
>> [compton ~]$ grep -c ^git\. .newsrc
>> 383
>> [compton ~]$
>>
>> That's 'giganews.com'. You should send mail to the newsmaster at
>> proxad.net.
>Well, I'm not sure to understand the current situation...
>
>linux.kernel group seems to mirror LKML. It can be subscribed by using
>all news servers I've tried. So the mirror is probably done by a news
>server and propagated to the rest of world.
Correct
>Which server ? I dunno...
]User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux)
I don't know how to use that, but you should be able to view the
headers of articles, and the important one is Path: header which tells
you which servers were used to reach you. I've only subscribe to a few
gated lists, and they're generally sourced by a college or small ISP.
>But linux.kernel.mm, for example, can't be reached by my news server
>or news.aioe.org server for example.
And it's not on giganews or the two other news servers I have access
to either.
>Gmane knows this group but it's because its group is gated to the
>linux-mm mailing list.
I've got 89 gmane lists on this server, but the only gmane.linux.kernel
groups are
[compton ~]$ grep gmane.linux.kernel .newsrc
gmane.linux.kernel
gmane.linux.kernel.commits.head
[compton ~]$
>I assume the same is done by giganews server.
I only view a small number of groups off giganews, but don't recall
seeing any where they were the gate - they get them all from other
news servers.
>So the question is why 'linux.kernel' group can be reached but not
>'linux.kernel.mm' ?
Because no one on the servers you (or I) have access to has asked for
the group to be carried. There are only 2281 groups in the Big-8
hierarchies (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*,
and talk.*) that should be on all news servers. EVERYTHING ELSE (and
for giganews, thats well over 100000 other groups) is carried at the
whim of the local administrator. If the admin wants to carry it, it
will be there. If the admin doesn't want the group, or doesn't even
know that it exists, it won't be on the server. Also, the peers of your
news server have to carry the group, or you will be on an island and
see only stuff posted to your server. That is why I suggested you
should contact the news administrator of your server.
Old guy
Francis Moreau
> ]User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux)
>
> I don't know how to use that, but you should be able to view the
> headers of articles,
Sure !
> and the important one is Path: header which tells you which servers
> were used to reach you. I've only subscribe to a few gated lists,
> and they're generally sourced by a college or small ISP.
Here it is:
Path: news.free.fr
xref-2.proxad.net
spooler1c-2.proxad.net
cleanfeed1-a.proxad.net
proxad.net
feeder1-2.proxad.net
62.111.101.3.MISMATCH
news.germany.com
newsfeed-0.progon.net
progon.net
vlad-tepes.bofh.it
bofh.it
news.nic.it
robomod
So is it 'robomod' or 'news.nic.it' the mirror server ?
>>But linux.kernel.mm, for example, can't be reached by my news server
>>or news.aioe.org server for example.
>
> And it's not on giganews or the two other news servers I have access
> to either.
Well, I'm not suprise.
Actually my initial thinking was since this group doesn't exist and a
news server do mirror with LKML, I was wondering if it would be
possible to mirror a couple of other Linux kernel mailing lists such
as linux-mm...
Hence my post since I thought such request should be done in this
group.
>
>
>>Gmane knows this group but it's because its group is gated to the
>>linux-mm mailing list.
>
> I've got 89 gmane lists on this server, but the only gmane.linux.kernel
> groups are
>
> [compton ~]$ grep gmane.linux.kernel .newsrc
> gmane.linux.kernel
> gmane.linux.kernel.commits.head
> [compton ~]$
>
>>I assume the same is done by giganews server.
>
> I only view a small number of groups off giganews, but don't recall
> seeing any where they were the gate - they get them all from other
> news servers.
But you don't have the revelant ones.
>
>
>>So the question is why 'linux.kernel' group can be reached but not
>>'linux.kernel.mm' ?
>
> Because no one on the servers you (or I) have access to has asked for
> the group to be carried. There are only 2281 groups in the Big-8
> hierarchies (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*,
> and talk.*) that should be on all news servers. EVERYTHING ELSE (and
> for giganews, thats well over 100000 other groups) is carried at the
> whim of the local administrator. If the admin wants to carry it, it
> will be there. If the admin doesn't want the group, or doesn't even
> know that it exists, it won't be on the server. Also, the peers of your
> news server have to carry the group, or you will be on an island and
> see only stuff posted to your server. That is why I suggested you
> should contact the news administrator of your server.
But my guess is that these groups don't exist at all. They exist in a
couple of servers because they're gated.
How can I check this assumption ?
Thanks
Francis
Moe Trin
<m24p2ro...@gmail.com>, Francis Moreau wrote:
>ibup...@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) writes:
>> and the important one is Path: header which tells you which servers
>> were used to reach you. I've only subscribe to a few gated lists,
>> and they're generally sourced by a college or small ISP.
>
>Here it is:
>
>Path: news.free.fr!xref-2.proxad.net!spooler1c-2.proxad.net
> !cleanfeed1-a.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net
bouncing around proxad.net
> !62.111.101.3.MISMATCH!news.germany.com
62.111.101.3 announced itself as news.germany.com, but that doesn't
match the DNS - no big deal
> !newsfeed-0.progon.net!progon.net!vlad-tepes.bofh.it!bofh.it
> !news.nic.it!robomod
>
>So is it 'robomod' or 'news.nic.it' the mirror server ?
'robomod _may_ be the name of the host (it's an automatic news
moderator program as well) but the most valid contact might be at
news.nic.it.
>Actually my initial thinking was since this group doesn't exist and
>a news server do mirror with LKML, I was wondering if it would be
>possible to mirror a couple of other Linux kernel mailing lists such
>as linux-mm...
I don't see why not, but you'd have to contact your news administrator
and possibly the news admin at gmane.
>Hence my post since I thought such request should be done in this
>group.
This group is dead, and probably monitored by very very few readers
only. My log shows this post is the eighth post this year. If you
look at the 'Xref: header, you should see a number indicating how
many posts the server has seen in the group - in my case:
Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com linux.admin.news:649
the post I'm responding to was the 649th seen since giganews started
carrying the group over 8 years ago.
>But my guess is that these groups don't exist at all. They exist in a
>couple of servers because they're gated.
>
>How can I check this assumption ?
I'd suggest talking to the admin of the server doing the gating, and
ask him who it's peering with. You may then talk to your news.admin to
see if any peer is offering the groups, and if so, ask the admin to add
them. But if no peer is offering them, your news server won't have
anything to carry, even if they add the group.
Old guy
Francis Moreau
>
> 'robomod _may_ be the name of the host (it's an automatic news
> moderator program as well) but the most valid contact might be at
> news.nic.it.
>
OK so I'll try to contact the admin of news.nic.it...
> This group is dead, and probably monitored by very very few readers
> only. My log shows this post is the eighth post this year. If you
> look at the 'Xref: header, you should see a number indicating how
> many posts the server has seen in the group - in my case:
>
fortunately you still follow this group !
>
> I'd suggest talking to the admin of the server doing the gating, and
> ask him who it's peering with.
I'll do that.
Thanks your advices !
Francis
Marco d'Itri
>I'm interested in some linux groups which are currently not gated such
>as:
> - linux.kernel.mm
> - linux.kernel.embedded
> - linux.file-systems
>
>or even a Git group may be useful since there's a quite a lot of
>traffic in.
These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to complain
to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
checkgroups.
Now, we could talk about creating more groups in linux.*: I'm not
against the idea, but I do not think there is a real point for the vger
lists since the admins there are totally against the idea of a
bidirectional gateway.
(the linux.* administrator)
--
ciao, |
Marco | * The Internet is full. Go away. -- Joel Furr *
Francis Moreau
Marco d'Itri <m...@Linux.IT> writes:
> franci...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I'm interested in some linux groups which are currently not gated such
>>as:
>> - linux.kernel.mm
>> - linux.kernel.embedded
>> - linux.file-systems
>>
>>or even a Git group may be useful since there's a quite a lot of
>>traffic in.
> These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to complain
> to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
> checkgroups.
I'm not sure to understand this...
>
> Now, we could talk about creating more groups in linux.*: I'm not
Yes that was the idea of my post,
> against the idea, but I do not think there is a real point for the vger
> lists since the admins there are totally against the idea of a
> bidirectional gateway.
But what about the 'linux.kernel' group which seems gated to the linux
kernel mailing list (LKML) ?
Francis
D. Stussy
news:gemj5t$45q$1...@bongo.bofh.it...
> ... These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to complain
> to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
Does someone actually send a checkgroups message for linux.*? I don't think
I've seen one in the past year (that's as long as I've paid attention to
them).
Marco d'Itri
>> ... These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to complain
>> to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
>> checkgroups. ...
>Does someone actually send a checkgroups message for linux.*? I don't think
>I've seen one in the past year (that's as long as I've paid attention to
>them).
I do from time to time, but I admit that I have not sent one recently.
I did now.
Marco d'Itri
>> These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to complain
>> to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
>> checkgroups.
>I'm not sure to understand this...
These newsgroups do not exist. Ask whoever runs your news server why he
is providing newsgroups which do not exist.
>> against the idea, but I do not think there is a real point for the vger
>> lists since the admins there are totally against the idea of a
>> bidirectional gateway.
>But what about the 'linux.kernel' group which seems gated to the linux
>kernel mailing list (LKML) ?
It's not bidirectional.
D. Stussy
> sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org wrote:
> >> ... These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to
complain
> >> to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
> >> checkgroups. ...
> >Does someone actually send a checkgroups message for linux.*? I don't
think
> >I've seen one in the past year (that's as long as I've paid attention to
them).
>
> I do from time to time, but I admit that I have not sent one recently.
> I did now.
Thank you. I saw it.
Francis Moreau
> franci...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to complain
>>> to your news server administrator and ask him to process the linux.*
>>> checkgroups.
>>I'm not sure to understand this...
> These newsgroups do not exist. Ask whoever runs your news server why he
> is providing newsgroups which do not exist.
If I understand the article header from linux.kernel correctly,
linux.kernel is provided by news.nic.it in the first place. My news
server which is not news.nic.it just get the articles from it.
>
>>> against the idea, but I do not think there is a real point for the vger
>>> lists since the admins there are totally against the idea of a
>>> bidirectional gateway.
>>But what about the 'linux.kernel' group which seems gated to the linux
>>kernel mailing list (LKML) ?
> It's not bidirectional.
I'm not asking for them to be birectional. I'd like them to exist as
the 'linux.kernel' exists...
Francis
Marco d'Itri
>If I understand the article header from linux.kernel correctly,
You do not understand how Usenet works.
Moe Trin
<geq56e$et0$3...@snarked.org>, D. Stussy wrote:
>"Marco d'Itri" <m...@Linux.IT> wrote in message
>>>> ... These newsgroup have not existed in many years, you need to
>>>> complain to your news server administrator and ask him to process
>>>> the linux.* checkgroups. ...
>>> Does someone actually send a checkgroups message for linux.*? I
>>> don't think I've seen one in the past year (that's as long as I've
>>> paid attention to them).
>>I do from time to time, but I admit that I have not sent one recently.
>>I did now.
>Thank you. I saw it.
OK - _where_ did you see it? I see nothing in the news admin groups
24 hours after he posted the article you responded to here.
Old guy
Russ Allbery
> D. Stussy wrote:
>> "Marco d'Itri" <m...@Linux.IT> wrote in message
>
>>> I did now.
>> Thank you. I saw it.
> OK - _where_ did you see it? I see nothing in the news admin groups
> 24 hours after he posted the article you responded to here.
It was posted as a checkgroups control message. Your server may file
those into a pseudo-group named control.checkgroups.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Moe Trin
<87prl9k...@windlord.stanford.edu>, Russ Allbery wrote:
>ibup...@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) writes:
>> D. Stussy wrote:
>>> "Marco d'Itri" <m...@Linux.IT> wrote in message
>>
>>>> I do from time to time, but I admit that I have not sent one recently.
>>>> I did now.
>
>>> Thank you. I saw it.
>> OK - _where_ did you see it? I see nothing in the news admin groups
>> 24 hours after he posted the article you responded to here.
>It was posted as a checkgroups control message. Your server may file
>those into a pseudo-group named control.checkgroups.
Got it! Thanks Russ.
Old guy
D. Stussy
news:slrngh4jeu.h...@compton.phx.az.us...
Correct - that's where I saw it. I read control messages except for cancels
on my system.
Francis Moreau
> franci...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>If I understand the article header from linux.kernel correctly,
> You do not understand how Usenet works.
true but perhaps you could enlight me ?
thanks
Francis
D. Stussy
> >Does someone actually send a checkgroups message for linux.*? I don't
think
> >I've seen one in the past year (that's as long as I've paid attention to
> >them).
> I do from time to time, but I admit that I have not sent one recently.
> I did now.
Maybe it's time to have one for the new year. It's been 10+ months since
the last.
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