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Beth Lynn Eicher
Dec 16, 2009, 10:29:13 PM12/16/09
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(7:25:49 PM) The topic for #linuxdairy is: Linux Dairy Council |
http://groups.google.com/group/linux-dairy-council | Next meeting:
12/16 20:00 EST (01:00 GMT on 12/17)
(7:32:00 PM) bethlynn: hi folks
(7:39:00 PM) Penguiniator: hi bethlynn
(7:43:52 PM) Xetheriel: Hi beth.
(7:44:05 PM) Xetheriel: Hi Everyone... I'm kindof in and out for the moment.
(7:44:39 PM) bethlynn: ok
(7:44:56 PM) bethlynn: can folks please say their real names? I'm just
getting to know everyone
(7:45:00 PM) bethlynn: I am Beth Lynn Eicher
(7:45:15 PM) bethlynn: I hack on whatwillweuse.com and ohiolinux.org
(7:48:06 PM) Penguiniator: I'm Scott Bicknell... ordinary Linux user,
part-time web developer, former bus driver.
(7:59:18 PM) bethlynn: Scott: are you the one who wants to write for my blog?
(7:59:26 PM) Penguiniator: yes
(7:59:48 PM) bethlynn: sorry I haven't gotten around to the phone call
(8:00:05 PM) bethlynn: the reason why I wanted the phone call is to
make sure you were not fake
(8:00:36 PM) bethlynn: I can't be too careful since the sourceforge incident
(8:00:48 PM) Penguiniator: it's ok... we're on the tail end of moving
right now, so things have been in a bit of disarray around here.
(8:01:25 PM) bethlynn: please drop me a line when things settle down
and I will create an account for you
(8:01:37 PM) Penguiniator: ok
(8:02:31 PM) Caldavien [n=pa...@d14-69-52-34.try.wideopenwest.com]
entered the room.
(8:05:33 PM) lcafiero: back
(8:05:51 PM) bethlynn: hi larry
(8:06:07 PM) bethlynn: it's 5 after
(8:06:17 PM) bethlynn: so can we try to get started
(8:06:28 PM) ***lcafiero is Larry Cafiero, who wears a lot of hats.
(8:06:31 PM) bethlynn: who's here in any capacity?
(8:06:47 PM) lcafiero: What do you mean?
(8:10:17 PM) bethlynn: who has at least 10% eyeball attention to
#linuxdairy right now?
(8:10:18 PM) lcafiero: I am here representing myself and Fedora (as is
herlo on the latter).
(8:10:43 PM) Penguiniator: I do.
(8:11:16 PM) bethlynn: is FUDcon still in progress?
(8:11:32 PM) ***lcafiero raises hand.
(8:11:48 PM) ***lcafiero didn't want to speak for linuxdairy though.
(8:12:00 PM) lcafiero: No, FUDCon is over.
(8:12:10 PM) Xetheriel: I do. Thomas Stratford here. :)
(8:12:22 PM) ***lcafiero has about 90 percent eyeball attention here /
10 percent on GNUcash
(8:12:28 PM) Xetheriel: Representing.... Canada? :)
(8:13:14 PM) Xetheriel: although I have to run out and get something
living for dinner just now. SO I'll be back in like... 20 mins. sorry.
(8:14:26 PM) bethlynn: ok
(8:15:05 PM) bethlynn: like zonker posted, we talked on the phone monday night
(8:15:07 PM) Orv left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(8:16:38 PM) Xetheriel left the room (quit: jordan.freenode.net
irc.freenode.net).
(8:17:08 PM) bethlynn: LDC will be project based
(8:17:32 PM) ***lcafiero is reading e-mail again.
(8:17:35 PM) bethlynn: if someone has a killer idea for a project that
they want to do in LDC's name, they can just go for it
(8:17:50 PM) bethlynn: and just let us know what's up
(8:18:07 PM) bethlynn: so that others who are available and interested
can jump in and help
(8:18:20 PM) bethlynn: there is no official membership process to the LDC
(8:18:24 PM) bethlynn: just show up
(8:18:30 PM) lcafiero: ?
(8:19:00 PM) bethlynn: what do you have a question on Larry?
(8:19:05 PM) lcafiero: Just wanted to ask: Has everyone seen the e-mail?
(8:19:56 PM) Penguiniator: I have... and have notes on it to refer to here
(8:20:00 PM) ***lcafiero tries to save bethlynn some typing.
(8:21:07 PM) lcafiero: Same here, Penguiniator.
(8:21:42 PM) lcafiero: Question answered. Thanks.
(8:22:30 PM) Xetheriel [n=xeth...@69-196-152-227.dsl.teksavvy.com]
entered the room.
(8:27:15 PM) lcafiero: Another question: Are we in consensus that this
is the direction in which we want to go?
(8:29:06 PM) Penguiniator: lcafiero, project-based organization? or do
you mean something else?
(8:29:28 PM) bethlynn: zonker and I are in consensus
(8:29:35 PM) lcafiero: Well, I was talking about the entire e-mail
(8:29:36 PM) bethlynn: we would like your feedback
(8:29:47 PM) lcafiero: I am in consensus
(8:30:22 PM) Penguiniator: I think this is the fastest way to the action
(8:30:27 PM) lcafiero: Working name for now, directors w/ figurehead
and sysadmin, project leaders, everyone has a voice, meritocracy.
(8:30:28 PM) bethlynn: I'd love to hear herlo's input
(8:30:58 PM) lcafiero: Agreed, Penguiniator
(8:32:25 PM) lcafiero: I think herlo is afk. I'm paging him in other channels
(8:32:32 PM) ***lcafiero and herlo seem to hang out in the same ones.
(8:33:16 PM) Penguiniator: lcafiero, love those thought bubbles
(8:34:06 PM) bethlynn: ok
(8:34:32 PM) bethlynn: does anyone know what the results of the time
of week survey was?
(8:34:58 PM) bethlynn: I'm getting the feeling that wednesday must not be good.
(8:35:06 PM) Penguiniator: As I recall, either Wed or Thu were best
(8:35:23 PM) Penguiniator: no?
(8:36:13 PM) lcafiero: I will look it up.
(8:36:51 PM) bethlynn: ok
(8:37:02 PM) bethlynn: we wanted to meet every other week
(8:37:13 PM) bethlynn: tonight seems a bust
(8:37:30 PM) bethlynn: and two weeks would put us on new years eve
(8:37:34 PM) bethlynn: oops
(8:37:49 PM) bethlynn: I meant 12/30
(8:37:52 PM) bethlynn: which is fine
(8:39:18 PM) The topic for #linuxdairy is: Linux Dairy Council |
http://groups.google.com/group/linux-dairy-council | Next meeting:
12/16 20:00 EST (01:00 GMT on 12/17)
(8:39:20 PM) lcafiero: How is Thursday?
(8:39:38 PM) lcafiero: hi bethlynn1
(8:39:48 PM) bethlynn left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)).
(8:39:49 PM) lcafiero: Want me to run through the numbers again on the voting?
(8:40:22 PM) bethlynn1: sure
(8:40:55 PM) lcafiero: 75 percent Thursday, 58 percent Monday and
Thursday, 50 percent Tuesday, 41 percent Friday and Sunday, 16 percent
Saturday,
(8:40:58 PM) lcafiero: 12 voters.
(8:40:59 PM) bethlynn1: maybe there just wasn't enough notict
(8:41:36 PM) bethlynn1: was wed also 75%?
(8:41:55 PM) lcafiero: No, Wed = 58 percent
(8:42:12 PM) lcafiero: http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/463429/results
(8:42:14 PM) ldc-bot: Title: Mister Poll: LDC Meeting Day (at
www.misterpoll.com)
(8:42:17 PM) lcafiero: ^^ link
(8:42:40 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:43:27 PM) bethlynn1: I'd say lets try thursdays
(8:43:40 PM) lcafiero: +1
(8:43:41 PM) bethlynn1: but 12/31 would be the next thursday
(8:43:55 PM) lcafiero: We could have a party . . . .
(8:43:57 PM) ***lcafiero kids
(8:44:15 PM) bethlynn1: how about 1/7?
(8:44:32 PM) lcafiero: I'm OK with that.
(8:44:36 PM) bethlynn1: I can't be here 1/7 but other thursdays should be cool
(8:44:46 PM) lcafiero: Want to make it 1/14?
(8:44:47 PM) Penguiniator: A nice big notice on the ldc site and a
reminder email as early as possible might help increase the numbers
(8:44:52 PM) lcafiero: +1
(8:44:57 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:45:04 PM) bethlynn1: let's try this
(8:45:20 PM) bethlynn1: announce 12/30 and 1/7 now
(8:45:37 PM) lcafiero: OK
(8:46:07 PM) Penguiniator: Maybe post a tentative agenda for the meeting with it
(8:46:15 PM) bethlynn1: the attendance numbers for both dates will
help us make a realistic decision
(8:46:27 PM) bethlynn1: alright
(8:46:51 PM) lcafiero: And meetings are still biweekly, right?
(8:46:58 PM) bethlynn1: sure
(8:47:01 PM) lcafiero: OK
(8:47:08 PM) bethlynn1: but that would be two weeks in a row
(8:47:20 PM) bethlynn1: to recallibrate for the day of week change
(8:47:31 PM) lcafiero: Well, skip the 1/14 and make the following
meeting after 1/7 on 1/21
(8:48:01 PM) bethlynn1: yup
(8:48:04 PM) lcafiero: Got it.
(8:48:18 PM) bethlynn1: alright, quick agenda onf 12/30
(8:48:34 PM) bethlynn1: a. discuss who likes wed vs thurs
(8:49:04 PM) bethlynn1: b. see where we are on the sugarcrm setup.
help people get wiki/blog accounts, etc
(8:49:51 PM) bethlynn1: c. followup on welcome to linux kit/magazine
(8:50:38 PM) lcafiero: d. discuss moving mailing list from google
group to other mail program (or not)
(8:50:58 PM) lcafiero: (though this can wait until the new year and be
discussed on the mailing list)
(8:51:02 PM) bethlynn1: e. see who can be at SCALE to support the booth/talk
(8:52:00 PM) ***lcafiero withdraws d. -- I think four items should
make for a good meeting. Any others?
(8:52:04 PM) bethlynn1: on d., herlo mentioned interest in setting up
mailman but I don't know where that went
(8:52:21 PM) lcafiero: We can discuss on the mailing list and here on
the channel
(8:52:36 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:52:49 PM) bethlynn1: I think it's time to call it a meeting
(8:52:57 PM) lcafiero: a., b., c., and e. are good for me.
(8:53:02 PM) bethlynn1: anyone else have any wild ideas?
(8:53:07 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:53:11 PM) lcafiero: Yes, but not for public consumption :-)
(8:54:11 PM) Penguiniator: The email mentioned appointing a 5th
leader... maybe put that up for discussion
(8:54:12 PM) bethlynn1: meeting will adjourn at 21:00 ...
(8:54:33 PM) lcafiero: Good point, Penguiniator. Should we add that?
(8:54:41 PM) bethlynn1: sure
(8:55:10 PM) lcafiero: OK, sounds like an agenda.
(8:55:11 PM) bethlynn1: that person should have experience in running
a volunteer project
(8:55:41 PM) bethlynn1: I'm not sure if zonker had someone in mind or not
(8:55:55 PM) Penguiniator: I have garlic and a crucifix... and I'm
willing to use them...
(8:55:56 PM) bethlynn1: any case, this is an opportunity for someone
to step forward
(8:56:00 PM) lcafiero: Heh.
(8:56:23 PM) Xetheriel: Okay... finally back, and for good this time.
(8:56:39 PM) lcafiero: sounds good, bethlynn1
(8:57:34 PM) bethlynn1: just got an email from nate willis, he's on his way
(8:58:00 PM) bethlynn1: I thought he was just mad at me :(
(8:58:42 PM) bethlynn1: did anyone hear about this
http://codeoffsets.com/Projects.aspx
(8:58:43 PM) ldc-bot: Title: Projects and Initiatives |
CodeOffsets.com (at codeoffsets.com)
(8:59:56 PM) Xetheriel: Thats the first I've heard of it.
(9:00:28 PM) Xetheriel: Sorry I've been sortof absent this meeting...
:/ Life takes priority.
(9:01:18 PM) bethlynn1: Xetheriel: we understand
(9:01:24 PM) bethlynn1: is this bed/bath time?
(9:01:49 PM) Xetheriel: 8pm and 8:30 are normal bedtimes for my girls.
(9:01:51 PM) lcafiero: Just looking at the site. Kind of interesting.
(9:01:57 PM) lcafiero: But . . .
(9:02:10 PM) Xetheriel: I heard of the badcode offset on /.
(9:02:21 PM) Xetheriel: but I didn't much look into it.
(9:02:28 PM) Xetheriel: it sounded interesting though.
(9:03:44 PM) lcafiero: I don't know what they're basing it on,
according to the page. It looks like just an appeal for donations.
(9:04:05 PM) lcafiero: A clever one, of course, but still.
(9:04:44 PM) Xetheriel: Its like the Carbon footprint offsets...
(9:04:52 PM) Xetheriel: donate money to make up for bad code.
(9:05:22 PM) Xetheriel: Of course if you write perfect code like me
(*cough*) you don't need to donate. ;)
(9:05:36 PM) lcafiero: same here (cough cough)
(9:06:42 PM) ***lcafiero steps away for a minute to get coffee.
(9:07:38 PM) bethlynn1: the reason why I bring them up as they could
be a possible ally
(9:08:20 PM) Xetheriel: Indeed. I figured thats why you brought it up.
They seem fairly well aligned with some big FOSS projects.
(9:08:40 PM) lcafiero: Right.
(9:08:55 PM) bethlynn1: I wrote about the politics of free sofware on
my most recent blog post
(9:09:04 PM) bethlynn1: http://whatwillweuse.com
(9:09:13 PM) ldc-bot: Title: What Will We Use on June 30, 2011? -
Microsofts market share will be less than 50% (at whatwillweuse.com)
(9:09:17 PM) Xetheriel: Oh... I converted another vista user.
(9:09:30 PM) lcafiero: +1
(9:09:52 PM) Xetheriel: Ubuntu on her laptop, and she loves it.
(9:10:11 PM) bethlynn1: maybe we should execute more like a political
campaign than a marketing group
(9:10:24 PM) bethlynn1: by building allies
(9:10:34 PM) bethlynn1: gaining spokespeople
(9:10:49 PM) lcafiero: good idea
(9:10:51 PM) bethlynn1: finding cool folks in pop culture to say "Heck
yeah I use Linux"
(9:11:14 PM) lcafiero: That would be great.
(9:12:02 PM) Penguiniator: Very cool idea
(9:12:30 PM) bethlynn1: people tune out tv commericals
(9:12:57 PM) bethlynn1: most people don't even remember what the
product really was
(9:13:25 PM) bethlynn1: but everybody knows that Oprah uses Skype
(9:13:50 PM) Xetheriel: Thats a great idea.
(9:14:07 PM) Xetheriel: Wish my dad still had contact with Halle Berry. :)
(9:14:42 PM) Penguiniator: Get on Letterman or Conan's show talking
about it... if they don't already have their own show.
(9:14:58 PM) bethlynn1: exactly
(9:15:32 PM) bethlynn1: Wil Wheaton is someone who has been out about
being a Linux user
(9:15:49 PM) bethlynn1: but he seems to not always follow through
(9:16:18 PM) bethlynn1: enthusaism is key
(9:16:27 PM) bethlynn1: authenticity is key too
(9:17:15 PM) bethlynn1: I think if we can really get our social
networks rolling we can find out who really is using linux
(9:18:09 PM) bethlynn1: I heard an unconfirmed rummor that "They might
be giants" uses linux
(9:18:13 PM) Xetheriel: It wouls never do to have a spokesperson get
caught using the competition.
(9:18:44 PM) Xetheriel: From what I've heard, Pixar uses Linux too.
(9:18:50 PM) Xetheriel: Also unconfirmed.
(9:18:55 PM) bethlynn1: well, I'll give you some examples...
(9:19:19 PM) bethlynn1: Pixar uses Linux on their renders... it's HPC.
So does Disney proper.
(9:19:40 PM) bethlynn1: Jerry Sienfeild endorced Windows Vista
(9:20:11 PM) Xetheriel: Only as long as they paid him... and didn't he
end up backpeddaling on it after actually trying vista? :)
(9:20:12 PM) bethlynn1: I doubt that guy even bothered to use the product
(9:20:44 PM) Xetheriel: That campaign blew up in their faces.
(9:20:51 PM) bethlynn1: yeah
(9:20:56 PM) Xetheriel: but it was poorly executed.
(9:21:04 PM) GNUguy [n=chat...@70.92.239.68] entered the room.
(9:21:09 PM) bethlynn1: they were trying to do a political campaign as
a marketing attempt
(9:21:24 PM) GNUguy: my apologies for being so late.
(9:21:30 PM) bethlynn1: hi GNUguy
(9:21:39 PM) GNUguy: hey beth
(9:21:39 PM) Xetheriel: hey GNUguy, no worries. :)
(9:21:49 PM) GNUguy: thanks man
(9:21:56 PM) bethlynn1: we are discussing a really broad idea I had
for a LDC project
(9:22:19 PM) GNUguy: pls continue i'll reviwe the notes later
(9:22:29 PM) bethlynn1: find some places in pop culture where people use Linux
(9:22:50 PM) bethlynn1: to get them to endorce our cause
(9:22:56 PM) bethlynn1: as if we were a political campaign
(9:23:02 PM) Xetheriel: We need a Justin Long for Linux. :)
(9:23:08 PM) bethlynn1: instead of raising money for a tv ad
(9:23:32 PM) GNUguy: sounds viable to me
(9:24:15 PM) bethlynn1: so far the face of Linux user on youtube is Tronguy
(9:24:19 PM) bethlynn1: please NO
(9:24:35 PM) lcafiero: i'm not sure i agree
(9:24:49 PM) bethlynn1: Do you know who Tronguy is?
(9:25:03 PM) bethlynn1: search youtube for Tronguy
(9:25:14 PM) lcafiero: is it the guy with the animated thing about Linux?
(9:25:29 PM) bethlynn1: he made a Tron costume for Penguicon
(9:25:32 PM) Xetheriel: Well, not neccesarily the same thing as the
Justin Long campaign.
(9:25:39 PM) bethlynn1: then he made a website about how he made the constume
(9:25:39 PM) lcafiero left the room (quit: "is heading out. Talk to you later").
(9:25:46 PM) Xetheriel: Yeah, I just looked him up.
(9:25:52 PM) bethlynn1: somehow Tron guy got slashdotted
(9:26:04 PM) Xetheriel: Novelty factor.
(9:26:16 PM) Xetheriel: The guy looks like a walking novelty.
(9:26:24 PM) lcafiero [n=la...@dsl-63-249-114-39.dhcp.cruzio.com]
entered the room.
(9:26:31 PM) bethlynn1: now he's one of the top 10 youtube-made novelty celebs
(9:26:37 PM) Xetheriel: and is definitely not what we want people to
think of when they think Linux.
(9:26:44 PM) GNUguy: agreed
(9:27:09 PM) GNUguy: lets consider others
(9:27:10 PM) bethlynn1: but Tronguy thinks he IS what everyone should
think of when they think Linux user
(9:27:37 PM) bethlynn1: basically, yes, someone else please
(9:27:49 PM) Xetheriel: In my opinion, thats negative publicity, that
perpetuates the myth that Linux is only for geeks.
(9:28:02 PM) bethlynn1: exactly
(9:28:26 PM) bethlynn1: I'm not ungeeky enough to do it personally...
but a woman would be bonus WIN
(9:28:47 PM) Xetheriel: We need Ellen. :)
(9:29:22 PM) bethlynn1: I think Sandra Bollack was using linux in that
one movie about hacking
(9:29:38 PM) Xetheriel: The net?
(9:29:44 PM) Xetheriel: *shudder*
(9:29:52 PM) Xetheriel: 2 hours of my life I will never get back.
(9:30:12 PM) bethlynn1: it was too long ago to take advantage
(9:30:25 PM) Xetheriel: The best part of the movie was the blonde I
had with me when I saw it :P
(9:30:33 PM) bethlynn1: but screenshots of what resembles twm were
shown in "the net"
(9:30:35 PM) Xetheriel: which was... a long time ago.
(9:30:53 PM) Penguiniator: Get ken to appear on Conan's show talking
about what he does in Austin... that's another angle for publicity.
(9:31:07 PM) Xetheriel: *THAT* is a great idea.
(9:31:21 PM) GNUguy: yes
(9:32:18 PM) Xetheriel: If we could arrange it, would Ken be willing?
(9:33:37 PM) Xetheriel: Theres a popular show in Canada that does
stuff like that called The Hour... with George S.
(9:34:38 PM) Xetheriel: He interviewed Michael Geist when C-61 was
proposed and Geist organised a huge protest against it.
(9:34:59 PM) bethlynn1: I know
(9:35:14 PM) bethlynn1: 60 minutes has done stories on OLPC
(9:35:58 PM) bethlynn1: they need to do a story on how linux in early
.edu in the USA
(9:36:21 PM) bethlynn1: you get Ken, Shawn Powers, and Qimo together
(9:37:33 PM) Penguiniator: San Diego Schools has a program to put
laptops with SUSE in the hands of their students
(9:37:44 PM) Xetheriel: That would be great. A spot on the great
things they are doing, and the technology that makes it possible, aka
Linux.
(9:38:27 PM) Xetheriel: So how do we organise this... where do we start?
(9:38:56 PM) bethlynn1: and of course Christain is doing a movie
(9:39:21 PM) Xetheriel: Christain?
(9:39:36 PM) GNUguy: I was going to ask if he might not have some constacts
(9:39:45 PM) GNUguy: contacts
(9:40:21 PM) bethlynn1: Christian Einfeldt, he's part of the LDC
(9:40:37 PM) bethlynn1: he's making a documentary about a school
(9:40:44 PM) bethlynn1: and the decline of microsoft
(9:41:09 PM) Xetheriel: Okay. I'm still learning all the names here,
forgive me. :)
(9:44:34 PM) bethlynn1: well... I was waiting to see if Nate Willis
was showing up
(9:44:40 PM) bethlynn1: I guess not
(9:44:47 PM) Xetheriel: He said he was gonna...
(9:45:12 PM) bethlynn1: anyhow
(9:46:17 PM) Xetheriel: So do we just email some of these shows and
make the pitch to them? Send links and pictures?
(9:46:48 PM) bethlynn1: does anyone else have any thoughts on how we
can better operate if we think of ourselves as a political movement?
(9:47:20 PM) bethlynn1: this is Christian's website
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/index
(9:47:26 PM) ldc-bot: Title: Home - Digital Tipping Point (at
digitaltippingpoint.com)
(9:49:05 PM) GNUguy: do think christian might have some contacts in the industry
(9:49:19 PM) Xetheriel: This type of campaign is still marketing,
just... political marketing.
(9:49:30 PM) Xetheriel: GNUguy: We could ask him. :)
(9:50:27 PM) GNUguy: lets see if he knows anyone that might be able to
pitch our cause to a shoew
(9:50:47 PM) Xetheriel: Agreed.
(9:50:47 PM) GNUguy: show
(9:51:11 PM) Xetheriel: The idea will likely sit better coming from
somebody inside the industry.
(9:51:16 PM) GNUguy: yup
(9:52:44 PM) Xetheriel: I have indirect contacts into Canadian TV, but
not american.
(9:52:51 PM) bethlynn1: shucks, we missed a great tllts.org
(9:53:09 PM) bethlynn1: CBC would be golden
(9:54:05 PM) GNUguy: Canadian TV would be great
(9:54:21 PM) GNUguy: if we get in someplace, wecan use it as a ref
(9:54:33 PM) GNUguy: maybe get some US TV time
(9:54:34 PM) Xetheriel: Yes... CBC. Diane Buckner.
(9:54:37 PM) bethlynn1: tllts had this guy as the guest
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/colony/bios/john-cohn.html
(9:54:40 PM) ldc-bot: <http://ln-s.net/4hgh> (at dsc.discovery.com)
(9:55:24 PM) Xetheriel: I could talk to my friend. He knows everyone.
(9:55:24 PM) GNUguy: i used scopes like that
(9:55:57 PM) Xetheriel: I *use* scopes like that...
(9:57:05 PM) GNUguy: good man
(9:57:28 PM) GNUguy: cool stuff, i kinda miss it
(9:57:32 PM) Xetheriel: And some more modern sophisticated ones too.
(9:57:44 PM) bethlynn1: Xetheriel: please do and report back in 2 weeks
(9:57:52 PM) Xetheriel: Sure thing.
(9:58:13 PM) GNUguy: xetherial: we'll have to talk electronics and such some day
(9:58:52 PM) Penguiniator: **Get a politician with an education agenda
to use Ken's kids as an example of his kind of grass-roots reform...
at election time**
(9:59:13 PM) GNUguy: nice
(9:59:36 PM) GNUguy: but a politico might free MS backlash'
(9:59:46 PM) GNUguy: fear
(9:59:50 PM) Xetheriel: GNUguy: For sure. Its part of what I do... I
design test systems for hardware...
(10:00:05 PM) GNUguy: okay bucko
(10:00:16 PM) GNUguy: I'll call you one of these days
(10:00:27 PM) Xetheriel: So we find one with some... *ahem* balls.
(10:00:36 PM) GNUguy: we'd have to
(10:00:48 PM) GNUguy: that would be good though
(10:01:01 PM) GNUguy: creates the opportunity for a public forum
(10:01:13 PM) Xetheriel: Yep.
(10:02:15 PM) GNUguy: beth: comments
(10:02:30 PM) Xetheriel: The publicity I'd like to see us have is the
kind that makes people go... "Oh... maybe Linux isn't so
(bad/scary/hard) after all."
(10:02:49 PM) Xetheriel: No TV commercial is going to do that.
(10:03:03 PM) GNUguy: how about local museums
(10:03:17 PM) bethlynn1: i don't think anti-microsoft would be a huge
backlash for a politician
(10:03:28 PM) Penguiniator: discovery museums?
(10:03:34 PM) GNUguy: exactly
(10:03:36 PM) bethlynn1: maybe if they are from Washington state
(10:03:47 PM) GNUguy: beth: for sure
(10:04:17 PM) bethlynn1: most politicians are very busy people
(10:04:32 PM) GNUguy: anyhow if the politico wuold be willing to listen
(10:04:38 PM) bethlynn1: find one with a community organizer
background, that would be great
(10:04:49 PM) GNUguy: to advice we could help guide him/her
(10:04:55 PM) bethlynn1: there's a few ways we could go about it
(10:05:46 PM) bethlynn1: I would think the ultra liberal would be low
hanging fruit
(10:06:09 PM) bethlynn1: but we'd seem a little crazy if we go that route
(10:06:14 PM) GNUguy: or anybody that's up against controlling edu costs
(10:06:37 PM) GNUguy: our unified school district is always looking
for more money
(10:06:41 PM) Xetheriel: That would be key.
(10:06:50 PM) GNUguy: most of realestate taxes go too them
(10:06:52 PM) GNUguy: to
(10:07:05 PM) Xetheriel: Convincing them that Linux is the way to save $$$
(10:07:15 PM) Xetheriel: Because above all else, $$$ talks.
(10:07:37 PM) GNUguy: city of kenosha south of me is running its gov't
(10:07:44 PM) GNUguy: ops on Linux
(10:07:58 PM) GNUguy: 2 people support 350
(10:08:01 PM) bethlynn1:
http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/11/03/keynote-comparison-linux-or-windows/
(10:08:08 PM) ldc-bot: <http://ln-s.net/4hgp> (at whatwillweuse.com)
(10:09:05 PM) GNUguy: if we go this route
(10:09:18 PM) GNUguy: we're stepping into a comparison
(10:09:24 PM) GNUguy: w/MS
(10:09:53 PM) GNUguy: or we could position Linux
(10:10:03 PM) GNUguy: as an alternative to "other" options'
(10:10:26 PM) Xetheriel: We don't want to be the "alternative"... we
want to be the first choice.
(10:10:29 PM) GNUguy: leave the "other options" unmentioned
(10:10:44 PM) bethlynn1: fudding the fud is tricky
(10:11:12 PM) GNUguy: cost is certainly an emtional hot button
(10:11:55 PM) GNUguy: so we should try to find a good
non-confrontational way to present it
(10:12:16 PM) GNUguy: unfortunately MS will get really defensive
(10:12:25 PM) GNUguy: which is no surprise
(10:12:28 PM) Xetheriel: MS always gets defensive.
(10:12:28 PM) GNUguy: aanyone would
(10:12:45 PM) GNUguy: Xetheriel: spot on
(10:13:36 PM) Xetheriel: Anything we do, we need to be prepared for
retaliation from MS.
(10:13:53 PM) GNUguy: And I think we can
(10:13:57 PM) bethlynn1: exactly, this is a political campaign
(10:14:07 PM) GNUguy: over the years, lots of evidence has been collected
(10:14:07 PM) bethlynn1: smear tatics are on the table
(10:14:18 PM) GNUguy: to support the case for Linux/OSS
(10:14:21 PM) bethlynn1: I'd rather not go there
(10:14:28 PM) Xetheriel: They will FUD, debunk, manufacture and smear.
(10:14:58 PM) Xetheriel: The only advantage we have is this: Linux is
out in the open, a community effort.
(10:15:35 PM) GNUguy: I don't think anyone wants to get into a
(10:15:45 PM) GNUguy: confrontation, but we
(10:15:48 PM) Xetheriel: PJ from groklaw said it best: The community
is very careful about what we do and what we allow, and how we go
about things, because its all open for everyone to see. Nothing is
hidden away.
(10:15:56 PM) GNUguy: should be prepared if we get jumped on
(10:16:10 PM) Penguiniator: position Linux as people helping people...
then MS looks bad if they attack that
(10:16:26 PM) GNUguy: perfect
(10:16:34 PM) Xetheriel: Linux = Community, MS = Corporation.
(10:16:47 PM) GNUguy: that was what attracted me to Linux
(10:16:54 PM) Xetheriel: And me.
(10:17:26 PM) GNUguy: Penguiniator: that is a really good strategy
(10:18:02 PM) bethlynn1: then you go down the communism fud
(10:18:06 PM) GNUguy: I can see a politician getting behind that concept too
(10:18:20 PM) GNUguy: i don't think so
(10:18:41 PM) GNUguy: our country started out with people helping one another
(10:18:51 PM) GNUguy: many cultures used that approach
(10:18:57 PM) GNUguy: to their benefit
(10:19:14 PM) GNUguy: communnism is more like big business
(10:19:16 PM) bethlynn1: we need to be prepared with the fact that the
multiple linux distros allow for competition/innovation
(10:19:33 PM) GNUguy: agreed
(10:19:43 PM) Xetheriel: I think it would be a *huge* stretch to
equate Linux to communism. I'm not sure even MS could make a leap like
that.
(10:19:48 PM) bethlynn1: microsoft on the other hand is a sole source
provider of proprietary products
(10:20:01 PM) GNUguy: hence communism
(10:20:05 PM) bethlynn1: if you want to support small American
businesses, like Ken
(10:20:19 PM) bethlynn1: you go Linux.... its good for captialism
(10:20:19 PM) GNUguy: our at least totalitarianism
(10:20:29 PM) GNUguy: that's great
(10:20:53 PM) Xetheriel: Absolutely. Linux distros have to be
competative, users naturally gradiate towards the one that works the
best.
(10:21:06 PM) GNUguy: a constant refinement process
(10:21:06 PM) bethlynn1: if you want to support a large megacorp with
offices in 100 countries, as well as software engineers from china and
india, you go with Microsoft
(10:21:26 PM) GNUguy: exactly
(10:21:28 PM) Xetheriel: Thats why I liked the "You're choice, You're
Freedom" approach.
(10:22:12 PM) Xetheriel: When people start to feel like a prisoner of
their own computer, they will switch.
(10:22:22 PM) GNUguy: makes sense
(10:22:28 PM) GNUguy: this goes back to our
(10:22:33 PM) GNUguy: discussion of a site
(10:22:41 PM) GNUguy: called tiredof windows
(10:22:50 PM) Xetheriel: Thats what made a friend of mine switch. Her
laptop was a brick.
(10:23:16 PM) GNUguy: if the malware doesn't get you
(10:23:21 PM) GNUguy: the registry will
(10:23:57 PM) Xetheriel: I plugged it in, turned it on, came back 30
minutes later, and it still hadn't finished booting.
(10:24:09 PM) GNUguy: ouch
(10:24:14 PM) Xetheriel: In an hour I had it up and running with Ubuntu.
(10:24:25 PM) Xetheriel: Fully updated.
(10:25:32 PM) GNUguy: lets collect our thoughts
(10:25:51 PM) GNUguy: possible venues for the pitch
(10:26:10 PM) GNUguy: museums -- technology demos
(10:26:27 PM) GNUguy: poilitician -- social/cultural change
(10:26:32 PM) GNUguy: or something like that
(10:26:48 PM) GNUguy: christian -- contact someone in the industry
(10:26:59 PM) Xetheriel: I will work through my contacts and see what
we can do about a spot on CBC's The Hour.
(10:27:14 PM) GNUguy: TV -- Canadian then maybe US
(10:27:14 PM) GNUguy: okay
(10:28:05 PM) bethlynn1: sorry getting very tired here
(10:28:18 PM) GNUguy: np I'm about done too
(10:28:22 PM) Xetheriel: No problem Beth. :)
http://groups.google.com/group/linux-dairy-council | Next meeting:
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(7:32:00 PM) bethlynn: hi folks
(7:39:00 PM) Penguiniator: hi bethlynn
(7:43:52 PM) Xetheriel: Hi beth.
(7:44:05 PM) Xetheriel: Hi Everyone... I'm kindof in and out for the moment.
(7:44:39 PM) bethlynn: ok
(7:44:56 PM) bethlynn: can folks please say their real names? I'm just
getting to know everyone
(7:45:00 PM) bethlynn: I am Beth Lynn Eicher
(7:45:15 PM) bethlynn: I hack on whatwillweuse.com and ohiolinux.org
(7:48:06 PM) Penguiniator: I'm Scott Bicknell... ordinary Linux user,
part-time web developer, former bus driver.
(7:59:18 PM) bethlynn: Scott: are you the one who wants to write for my blog?
(7:59:26 PM) Penguiniator: yes
(7:59:48 PM) bethlynn: sorry I haven't gotten around to the phone call
(8:00:05 PM) bethlynn: the reason why I wanted the phone call is to
make sure you were not fake
(8:00:36 PM) bethlynn: I can't be too careful since the sourceforge incident
(8:00:48 PM) Penguiniator: it's ok... we're on the tail end of moving
right now, so things have been in a bit of disarray around here.
(8:01:25 PM) bethlynn: please drop me a line when things settle down
and I will create an account for you
(8:01:37 PM) Penguiniator: ok
(8:02:31 PM) Caldavien [n=pa...@d14-69-52-34.try.wideopenwest.com]
entered the room.
(8:05:33 PM) lcafiero: back
(8:05:51 PM) bethlynn: hi larry
(8:06:07 PM) bethlynn: it's 5 after
(8:06:17 PM) bethlynn: so can we try to get started
(8:06:28 PM) ***lcafiero is Larry Cafiero, who wears a lot of hats.
(8:06:31 PM) bethlynn: who's here in any capacity?
(8:06:47 PM) lcafiero: What do you mean?
(8:10:17 PM) bethlynn: who has at least 10% eyeball attention to
#linuxdairy right now?
(8:10:18 PM) lcafiero: I am here representing myself and Fedora (as is
herlo on the latter).
(8:10:43 PM) Penguiniator: I do.
(8:11:16 PM) bethlynn: is FUDcon still in progress?
(8:11:32 PM) ***lcafiero raises hand.
(8:11:48 PM) ***lcafiero didn't want to speak for linuxdairy though.
(8:12:00 PM) lcafiero: No, FUDCon is over.
(8:12:10 PM) Xetheriel: I do. Thomas Stratford here. :)
(8:12:22 PM) ***lcafiero has about 90 percent eyeball attention here /
10 percent on GNUcash
(8:12:28 PM) Xetheriel: Representing.... Canada? :)
(8:13:14 PM) Xetheriel: although I have to run out and get something
living for dinner just now. SO I'll be back in like... 20 mins. sorry.
(8:14:26 PM) bethlynn: ok
(8:15:05 PM) bethlynn: like zonker posted, we talked on the phone monday night
(8:15:07 PM) Orv left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(8:16:38 PM) Xetheriel left the room (quit: jordan.freenode.net
irc.freenode.net).
(8:17:08 PM) bethlynn: LDC will be project based
(8:17:32 PM) ***lcafiero is reading e-mail again.
(8:17:35 PM) bethlynn: if someone has a killer idea for a project that
they want to do in LDC's name, they can just go for it
(8:17:50 PM) bethlynn: and just let us know what's up
(8:18:07 PM) bethlynn: so that others who are available and interested
can jump in and help
(8:18:20 PM) bethlynn: there is no official membership process to the LDC
(8:18:24 PM) bethlynn: just show up
(8:18:30 PM) lcafiero: ?
(8:19:00 PM) bethlynn: what do you have a question on Larry?
(8:19:05 PM) lcafiero: Just wanted to ask: Has everyone seen the e-mail?
(8:19:56 PM) Penguiniator: I have... and have notes on it to refer to here
(8:20:00 PM) ***lcafiero tries to save bethlynn some typing.
(8:21:07 PM) lcafiero: Same here, Penguiniator.
(8:21:42 PM) lcafiero: Question answered. Thanks.
(8:22:30 PM) Xetheriel [n=xeth...@69-196-152-227.dsl.teksavvy.com]
entered the room.
(8:27:15 PM) lcafiero: Another question: Are we in consensus that this
is the direction in which we want to go?
(8:29:06 PM) Penguiniator: lcafiero, project-based organization? or do
you mean something else?
(8:29:28 PM) bethlynn: zonker and I are in consensus
(8:29:35 PM) lcafiero: Well, I was talking about the entire e-mail
(8:29:36 PM) bethlynn: we would like your feedback
(8:29:47 PM) lcafiero: I am in consensus
(8:30:22 PM) Penguiniator: I think this is the fastest way to the action
(8:30:27 PM) lcafiero: Working name for now, directors w/ figurehead
and sysadmin, project leaders, everyone has a voice, meritocracy.
(8:30:28 PM) bethlynn: I'd love to hear herlo's input
(8:30:58 PM) lcafiero: Agreed, Penguiniator
(8:32:25 PM) lcafiero: I think herlo is afk. I'm paging him in other channels
(8:32:32 PM) ***lcafiero and herlo seem to hang out in the same ones.
(8:33:16 PM) Penguiniator: lcafiero, love those thought bubbles
(8:34:06 PM) bethlynn: ok
(8:34:32 PM) bethlynn: does anyone know what the results of the time
of week survey was?
(8:34:58 PM) bethlynn: I'm getting the feeling that wednesday must not be good.
(8:35:06 PM) Penguiniator: As I recall, either Wed or Thu were best
(8:35:23 PM) Penguiniator: no?
(8:36:13 PM) lcafiero: I will look it up.
(8:36:51 PM) bethlynn: ok
(8:37:02 PM) bethlynn: we wanted to meet every other week
(8:37:13 PM) bethlynn: tonight seems a bust
(8:37:30 PM) bethlynn: and two weeks would put us on new years eve
(8:37:34 PM) bethlynn: oops
(8:37:49 PM) bethlynn: I meant 12/30
(8:37:52 PM) bethlynn: which is fine
(8:39:18 PM) The topic for #linuxdairy is: Linux Dairy Council |
http://groups.google.com/group/linux-dairy-council | Next meeting:
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(8:39:20 PM) lcafiero: How is Thursday?
(8:39:38 PM) lcafiero: hi bethlynn1
(8:39:48 PM) bethlynn left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)).
(8:39:49 PM) lcafiero: Want me to run through the numbers again on the voting?
(8:40:22 PM) bethlynn1: sure
(8:40:55 PM) lcafiero: 75 percent Thursday, 58 percent Monday and
Thursday, 50 percent Tuesday, 41 percent Friday and Sunday, 16 percent
Saturday,
(8:40:58 PM) lcafiero: 12 voters.
(8:40:59 PM) bethlynn1: maybe there just wasn't enough notict
(8:41:36 PM) bethlynn1: was wed also 75%?
(8:41:55 PM) lcafiero: No, Wed = 58 percent
(8:42:12 PM) lcafiero: http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/463429/results
(8:42:14 PM) ldc-bot: Title: Mister Poll: LDC Meeting Day (at
www.misterpoll.com)
(8:42:17 PM) lcafiero: ^^ link
(8:42:40 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:43:27 PM) bethlynn1: I'd say lets try thursdays
(8:43:40 PM) lcafiero: +1
(8:43:41 PM) bethlynn1: but 12/31 would be the next thursday
(8:43:55 PM) lcafiero: We could have a party . . . .
(8:43:57 PM) ***lcafiero kids
(8:44:15 PM) bethlynn1: how about 1/7?
(8:44:32 PM) lcafiero: I'm OK with that.
(8:44:36 PM) bethlynn1: I can't be here 1/7 but other thursdays should be cool
(8:44:46 PM) lcafiero: Want to make it 1/14?
(8:44:47 PM) Penguiniator: A nice big notice on the ldc site and a
reminder email as early as possible might help increase the numbers
(8:44:52 PM) lcafiero: +1
(8:44:57 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:45:04 PM) bethlynn1: let's try this
(8:45:20 PM) bethlynn1: announce 12/30 and 1/7 now
(8:45:37 PM) lcafiero: OK
(8:46:07 PM) Penguiniator: Maybe post a tentative agenda for the meeting with it
(8:46:15 PM) bethlynn1: the attendance numbers for both dates will
help us make a realistic decision
(8:46:27 PM) bethlynn1: alright
(8:46:51 PM) lcafiero: And meetings are still biweekly, right?
(8:46:58 PM) bethlynn1: sure
(8:47:01 PM) lcafiero: OK
(8:47:08 PM) bethlynn1: but that would be two weeks in a row
(8:47:20 PM) bethlynn1: to recallibrate for the day of week change
(8:47:31 PM) lcafiero: Well, skip the 1/14 and make the following
meeting after 1/7 on 1/21
(8:48:01 PM) bethlynn1: yup
(8:48:04 PM) lcafiero: Got it.
(8:48:18 PM) bethlynn1: alright, quick agenda onf 12/30
(8:48:34 PM) bethlynn1: a. discuss who likes wed vs thurs
(8:49:04 PM) bethlynn1: b. see where we are on the sugarcrm setup.
help people get wiki/blog accounts, etc
(8:49:51 PM) bethlynn1: c. followup on welcome to linux kit/magazine
(8:50:38 PM) lcafiero: d. discuss moving mailing list from google
group to other mail program (or not)
(8:50:58 PM) lcafiero: (though this can wait until the new year and be
discussed on the mailing list)
(8:51:02 PM) bethlynn1: e. see who can be at SCALE to support the booth/talk
(8:52:00 PM) ***lcafiero withdraws d. -- I think four items should
make for a good meeting. Any others?
(8:52:04 PM) bethlynn1: on d., herlo mentioned interest in setting up
mailman but I don't know where that went
(8:52:21 PM) lcafiero: We can discuss on the mailing list and here on
the channel
(8:52:36 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:52:49 PM) bethlynn1: I think it's time to call it a meeting
(8:52:57 PM) lcafiero: a., b., c., and e. are good for me.
(8:53:02 PM) bethlynn1: anyone else have any wild ideas?
(8:53:07 PM) bethlynn1: ok
(8:53:11 PM) lcafiero: Yes, but not for public consumption :-)
(8:54:11 PM) Penguiniator: The email mentioned appointing a 5th
leader... maybe put that up for discussion
(8:54:12 PM) bethlynn1: meeting will adjourn at 21:00 ...
(8:54:33 PM) lcafiero: Good point, Penguiniator. Should we add that?
(8:54:41 PM) bethlynn1: sure
(8:55:10 PM) lcafiero: OK, sounds like an agenda.
(8:55:11 PM) bethlynn1: that person should have experience in running
a volunteer project
(8:55:41 PM) bethlynn1: I'm not sure if zonker had someone in mind or not
(8:55:55 PM) Penguiniator: I have garlic and a crucifix... and I'm
willing to use them...
(8:55:56 PM) bethlynn1: any case, this is an opportunity for someone
to step forward
(8:56:00 PM) lcafiero: Heh.
(8:56:23 PM) Xetheriel: Okay... finally back, and for good this time.
(8:56:39 PM) lcafiero: sounds good, bethlynn1
(8:57:34 PM) bethlynn1: just got an email from nate willis, he's on his way
(8:58:00 PM) bethlynn1: I thought he was just mad at me :(
(8:58:42 PM) bethlynn1: did anyone hear about this
http://codeoffsets.com/Projects.aspx
(8:58:43 PM) ldc-bot: Title: Projects and Initiatives |
CodeOffsets.com (at codeoffsets.com)
(8:59:56 PM) Xetheriel: Thats the first I've heard of it.
(9:00:28 PM) Xetheriel: Sorry I've been sortof absent this meeting...
:/ Life takes priority.
(9:01:18 PM) bethlynn1: Xetheriel: we understand
(9:01:24 PM) bethlynn1: is this bed/bath time?
(9:01:49 PM) Xetheriel: 8pm and 8:30 are normal bedtimes for my girls.
(9:01:51 PM) lcafiero: Just looking at the site. Kind of interesting.
(9:01:57 PM) lcafiero: But . . .
(9:02:10 PM) Xetheriel: I heard of the badcode offset on /.
(9:02:21 PM) Xetheriel: but I didn't much look into it.
(9:02:28 PM) Xetheriel: it sounded interesting though.
(9:03:44 PM) lcafiero: I don't know what they're basing it on,
according to the page. It looks like just an appeal for donations.
(9:04:05 PM) lcafiero: A clever one, of course, but still.
(9:04:44 PM) Xetheriel: Its like the Carbon footprint offsets...
(9:04:52 PM) Xetheriel: donate money to make up for bad code.
(9:05:22 PM) Xetheriel: Of course if you write perfect code like me
(*cough*) you don't need to donate. ;)
(9:05:36 PM) lcafiero: same here (cough cough)
(9:06:42 PM) ***lcafiero steps away for a minute to get coffee.
(9:07:38 PM) bethlynn1: the reason why I bring them up as they could
be a possible ally
(9:08:20 PM) Xetheriel: Indeed. I figured thats why you brought it up.
They seem fairly well aligned with some big FOSS projects.
(9:08:40 PM) lcafiero: Right.
(9:08:55 PM) bethlynn1: I wrote about the politics of free sofware on
my most recent blog post
(9:09:04 PM) bethlynn1: http://whatwillweuse.com
(9:09:13 PM) ldc-bot: Title: What Will We Use on June 30, 2011? -
Microsofts market share will be less than 50% (at whatwillweuse.com)
(9:09:17 PM) Xetheriel: Oh... I converted another vista user.
(9:09:30 PM) lcafiero: +1
(9:09:52 PM) Xetheriel: Ubuntu on her laptop, and she loves it.
(9:10:11 PM) bethlynn1: maybe we should execute more like a political
campaign than a marketing group
(9:10:24 PM) bethlynn1: by building allies
(9:10:34 PM) bethlynn1: gaining spokespeople
(9:10:49 PM) lcafiero: good idea
(9:10:51 PM) bethlynn1: finding cool folks in pop culture to say "Heck
yeah I use Linux"
(9:11:14 PM) lcafiero: That would be great.
(9:12:02 PM) Penguiniator: Very cool idea
(9:12:30 PM) bethlynn1: people tune out tv commericals
(9:12:57 PM) bethlynn1: most people don't even remember what the
product really was
(9:13:25 PM) bethlynn1: but everybody knows that Oprah uses Skype
(9:13:50 PM) Xetheriel: Thats a great idea.
(9:14:07 PM) Xetheriel: Wish my dad still had contact with Halle Berry. :)
(9:14:42 PM) Penguiniator: Get on Letterman or Conan's show talking
about it... if they don't already have their own show.
(9:14:58 PM) bethlynn1: exactly
(9:15:32 PM) bethlynn1: Wil Wheaton is someone who has been out about
being a Linux user
(9:15:49 PM) bethlynn1: but he seems to not always follow through
(9:16:18 PM) bethlynn1: enthusaism is key
(9:16:27 PM) bethlynn1: authenticity is key too
(9:17:15 PM) bethlynn1: I think if we can really get our social
networks rolling we can find out who really is using linux
(9:18:09 PM) bethlynn1: I heard an unconfirmed rummor that "They might
be giants" uses linux
(9:18:13 PM) Xetheriel: It wouls never do to have a spokesperson get
caught using the competition.
(9:18:44 PM) Xetheriel: From what I've heard, Pixar uses Linux too.
(9:18:50 PM) Xetheriel: Also unconfirmed.
(9:18:55 PM) bethlynn1: well, I'll give you some examples...
(9:19:19 PM) bethlynn1: Pixar uses Linux on their renders... it's HPC.
So does Disney proper.
(9:19:40 PM) bethlynn1: Jerry Sienfeild endorced Windows Vista
(9:20:11 PM) Xetheriel: Only as long as they paid him... and didn't he
end up backpeddaling on it after actually trying vista? :)
(9:20:12 PM) bethlynn1: I doubt that guy even bothered to use the product
(9:20:44 PM) Xetheriel: That campaign blew up in their faces.
(9:20:51 PM) bethlynn1: yeah
(9:20:56 PM) Xetheriel: but it was poorly executed.
(9:21:04 PM) GNUguy [n=chat...@70.92.239.68] entered the room.
(9:21:09 PM) bethlynn1: they were trying to do a political campaign as
a marketing attempt
(9:21:24 PM) GNUguy: my apologies for being so late.
(9:21:30 PM) bethlynn1: hi GNUguy
(9:21:39 PM) GNUguy: hey beth
(9:21:39 PM) Xetheriel: hey GNUguy, no worries. :)
(9:21:49 PM) GNUguy: thanks man
(9:21:56 PM) bethlynn1: we are discussing a really broad idea I had
for a LDC project
(9:22:19 PM) GNUguy: pls continue i'll reviwe the notes later
(9:22:29 PM) bethlynn1: find some places in pop culture where people use Linux
(9:22:50 PM) bethlynn1: to get them to endorce our cause
(9:22:56 PM) bethlynn1: as if we were a political campaign
(9:23:02 PM) Xetheriel: We need a Justin Long for Linux. :)
(9:23:08 PM) bethlynn1: instead of raising money for a tv ad
(9:23:32 PM) GNUguy: sounds viable to me
(9:24:15 PM) bethlynn1: so far the face of Linux user on youtube is Tronguy
(9:24:19 PM) bethlynn1: please NO
(9:24:35 PM) lcafiero: i'm not sure i agree
(9:24:49 PM) bethlynn1: Do you know who Tronguy is?
(9:25:03 PM) bethlynn1: search youtube for Tronguy
(9:25:14 PM) lcafiero: is it the guy with the animated thing about Linux?
(9:25:29 PM) bethlynn1: he made a Tron costume for Penguicon
(9:25:32 PM) Xetheriel: Well, not neccesarily the same thing as the
Justin Long campaign.
(9:25:39 PM) bethlynn1: then he made a website about how he made the constume
(9:25:39 PM) lcafiero left the room (quit: "is heading out. Talk to you later").
(9:25:46 PM) Xetheriel: Yeah, I just looked him up.
(9:25:52 PM) bethlynn1: somehow Tron guy got slashdotted
(9:26:04 PM) Xetheriel: Novelty factor.
(9:26:16 PM) Xetheriel: The guy looks like a walking novelty.
(9:26:24 PM) lcafiero [n=la...@dsl-63-249-114-39.dhcp.cruzio.com]
entered the room.
(9:26:31 PM) bethlynn1: now he's one of the top 10 youtube-made novelty celebs
(9:26:37 PM) Xetheriel: and is definitely not what we want people to
think of when they think Linux.
(9:26:44 PM) GNUguy: agreed
(9:27:09 PM) GNUguy: lets consider others
(9:27:10 PM) bethlynn1: but Tronguy thinks he IS what everyone should
think of when they think Linux user
(9:27:37 PM) bethlynn1: basically, yes, someone else please
(9:27:49 PM) Xetheriel: In my opinion, thats negative publicity, that
perpetuates the myth that Linux is only for geeks.
(9:28:02 PM) bethlynn1: exactly
(9:28:26 PM) bethlynn1: I'm not ungeeky enough to do it personally...
but a woman would be bonus WIN
(9:28:47 PM) Xetheriel: We need Ellen. :)
(9:29:22 PM) bethlynn1: I think Sandra Bollack was using linux in that
one movie about hacking
(9:29:38 PM) Xetheriel: The net?
(9:29:44 PM) Xetheriel: *shudder*
(9:29:52 PM) Xetheriel: 2 hours of my life I will never get back.
(9:30:12 PM) bethlynn1: it was too long ago to take advantage
(9:30:25 PM) Xetheriel: The best part of the movie was the blonde I
had with me when I saw it :P
(9:30:33 PM) bethlynn1: but screenshots of what resembles twm were
shown in "the net"
(9:30:35 PM) Xetheriel: which was... a long time ago.
(9:30:53 PM) Penguiniator: Get ken to appear on Conan's show talking
about what he does in Austin... that's another angle for publicity.
(9:31:07 PM) Xetheriel: *THAT* is a great idea.
(9:31:21 PM) GNUguy: yes
(9:32:18 PM) Xetheriel: If we could arrange it, would Ken be willing?
(9:33:37 PM) Xetheriel: Theres a popular show in Canada that does
stuff like that called The Hour... with George S.
(9:34:38 PM) Xetheriel: He interviewed Michael Geist when C-61 was
proposed and Geist organised a huge protest against it.
(9:34:59 PM) bethlynn1: I know
(9:35:14 PM) bethlynn1: 60 minutes has done stories on OLPC
(9:35:58 PM) bethlynn1: they need to do a story on how linux in early
.edu in the USA
(9:36:21 PM) bethlynn1: you get Ken, Shawn Powers, and Qimo together
(9:37:33 PM) Penguiniator: San Diego Schools has a program to put
laptops with SUSE in the hands of their students
(9:37:44 PM) Xetheriel: That would be great. A spot on the great
things they are doing, and the technology that makes it possible, aka
Linux.
(9:38:27 PM) Xetheriel: So how do we organise this... where do we start?
(9:38:56 PM) bethlynn1: and of course Christain is doing a movie
(9:39:21 PM) Xetheriel: Christain?
(9:39:36 PM) GNUguy: I was going to ask if he might not have some constacts
(9:39:45 PM) GNUguy: contacts
(9:40:21 PM) bethlynn1: Christian Einfeldt, he's part of the LDC
(9:40:37 PM) bethlynn1: he's making a documentary about a school
(9:40:44 PM) bethlynn1: and the decline of microsoft
(9:41:09 PM) Xetheriel: Okay. I'm still learning all the names here,
forgive me. :)
(9:44:34 PM) bethlynn1: well... I was waiting to see if Nate Willis
was showing up
(9:44:40 PM) bethlynn1: I guess not
(9:44:47 PM) Xetheriel: He said he was gonna...
(9:45:12 PM) bethlynn1: anyhow
(9:46:17 PM) Xetheriel: So do we just email some of these shows and
make the pitch to them? Send links and pictures?
(9:46:48 PM) bethlynn1: does anyone else have any thoughts on how we
can better operate if we think of ourselves as a political movement?
(9:47:20 PM) bethlynn1: this is Christian's website
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/index
(9:47:26 PM) ldc-bot: Title: Home - Digital Tipping Point (at
digitaltippingpoint.com)
(9:49:05 PM) GNUguy: do think christian might have some contacts in the industry
(9:49:19 PM) Xetheriel: This type of campaign is still marketing,
just... political marketing.
(9:49:30 PM) Xetheriel: GNUguy: We could ask him. :)
(9:50:27 PM) GNUguy: lets see if he knows anyone that might be able to
pitch our cause to a shoew
(9:50:47 PM) Xetheriel: Agreed.
(9:50:47 PM) GNUguy: show
(9:51:11 PM) Xetheriel: The idea will likely sit better coming from
somebody inside the industry.
(9:51:16 PM) GNUguy: yup
(9:52:44 PM) Xetheriel: I have indirect contacts into Canadian TV, but
not american.
(9:52:51 PM) bethlynn1: shucks, we missed a great tllts.org
(9:53:09 PM) bethlynn1: CBC would be golden
(9:54:05 PM) GNUguy: Canadian TV would be great
(9:54:21 PM) GNUguy: if we get in someplace, wecan use it as a ref
(9:54:33 PM) GNUguy: maybe get some US TV time
(9:54:34 PM) Xetheriel: Yes... CBC. Diane Buckner.
(9:54:37 PM) bethlynn1: tllts had this guy as the guest
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/colony/bios/john-cohn.html
(9:54:40 PM) ldc-bot: <http://ln-s.net/4hgh> (at dsc.discovery.com)
(9:55:24 PM) Xetheriel: I could talk to my friend. He knows everyone.
(9:55:24 PM) GNUguy: i used scopes like that
(9:55:57 PM) Xetheriel: I *use* scopes like that...
(9:57:05 PM) GNUguy: good man
(9:57:28 PM) GNUguy: cool stuff, i kinda miss it
(9:57:32 PM) Xetheriel: And some more modern sophisticated ones too.
(9:57:44 PM) bethlynn1: Xetheriel: please do and report back in 2 weeks
(9:57:52 PM) Xetheriel: Sure thing.
(9:58:13 PM) GNUguy: xetherial: we'll have to talk electronics and such some day
(9:58:52 PM) Penguiniator: **Get a politician with an education agenda
to use Ken's kids as an example of his kind of grass-roots reform...
at election time**
(9:59:13 PM) GNUguy: nice
(9:59:36 PM) GNUguy: but a politico might free MS backlash'
(9:59:46 PM) GNUguy: fear
(9:59:50 PM) Xetheriel: GNUguy: For sure. Its part of what I do... I
design test systems for hardware...
(10:00:05 PM) GNUguy: okay bucko
(10:00:16 PM) GNUguy: I'll call you one of these days
(10:00:27 PM) Xetheriel: So we find one with some... *ahem* balls.
(10:00:36 PM) GNUguy: we'd have to
(10:00:48 PM) GNUguy: that would be good though
(10:01:01 PM) GNUguy: creates the opportunity for a public forum
(10:01:13 PM) Xetheriel: Yep.
(10:02:15 PM) GNUguy: beth: comments
(10:02:30 PM) Xetheriel: The publicity I'd like to see us have is the
kind that makes people go... "Oh... maybe Linux isn't so
(bad/scary/hard) after all."
(10:02:49 PM) Xetheriel: No TV commercial is going to do that.
(10:03:03 PM) GNUguy: how about local museums
(10:03:17 PM) bethlynn1: i don't think anti-microsoft would be a huge
backlash for a politician
(10:03:28 PM) Penguiniator: discovery museums?
(10:03:34 PM) GNUguy: exactly
(10:03:36 PM) bethlynn1: maybe if they are from Washington state
(10:03:47 PM) GNUguy: beth: for sure
(10:04:17 PM) bethlynn1: most politicians are very busy people
(10:04:32 PM) GNUguy: anyhow if the politico wuold be willing to listen
(10:04:38 PM) bethlynn1: find one with a community organizer
background, that would be great
(10:04:49 PM) GNUguy: to advice we could help guide him/her
(10:04:55 PM) bethlynn1: there's a few ways we could go about it
(10:05:46 PM) bethlynn1: I would think the ultra liberal would be low
hanging fruit
(10:06:09 PM) bethlynn1: but we'd seem a little crazy if we go that route
(10:06:14 PM) GNUguy: or anybody that's up against controlling edu costs
(10:06:37 PM) GNUguy: our unified school district is always looking
for more money
(10:06:41 PM) Xetheriel: That would be key.
(10:06:50 PM) GNUguy: most of realestate taxes go too them
(10:06:52 PM) GNUguy: to
(10:07:05 PM) Xetheriel: Convincing them that Linux is the way to save $$$
(10:07:15 PM) Xetheriel: Because above all else, $$$ talks.
(10:07:37 PM) GNUguy: city of kenosha south of me is running its gov't
(10:07:44 PM) GNUguy: ops on Linux
(10:07:58 PM) GNUguy: 2 people support 350
(10:08:01 PM) bethlynn1:
http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/11/03/keynote-comparison-linux-or-windows/
(10:08:08 PM) ldc-bot: <http://ln-s.net/4hgp> (at whatwillweuse.com)
(10:09:05 PM) GNUguy: if we go this route
(10:09:18 PM) GNUguy: we're stepping into a comparison
(10:09:24 PM) GNUguy: w/MS
(10:09:53 PM) GNUguy: or we could position Linux
(10:10:03 PM) GNUguy: as an alternative to "other" options'
(10:10:26 PM) Xetheriel: We don't want to be the "alternative"... we
want to be the first choice.
(10:10:29 PM) GNUguy: leave the "other options" unmentioned
(10:10:44 PM) bethlynn1: fudding the fud is tricky
(10:11:12 PM) GNUguy: cost is certainly an emtional hot button
(10:11:55 PM) GNUguy: so we should try to find a good
non-confrontational way to present it
(10:12:16 PM) GNUguy: unfortunately MS will get really defensive
(10:12:25 PM) GNUguy: which is no surprise
(10:12:28 PM) Xetheriel: MS always gets defensive.
(10:12:28 PM) GNUguy: aanyone would
(10:12:45 PM) GNUguy: Xetheriel: spot on
(10:13:36 PM) Xetheriel: Anything we do, we need to be prepared for
retaliation from MS.
(10:13:53 PM) GNUguy: And I think we can
(10:13:57 PM) bethlynn1: exactly, this is a political campaign
(10:14:07 PM) GNUguy: over the years, lots of evidence has been collected
(10:14:07 PM) bethlynn1: smear tatics are on the table
(10:14:18 PM) GNUguy: to support the case for Linux/OSS
(10:14:21 PM) bethlynn1: I'd rather not go there
(10:14:28 PM) Xetheriel: They will FUD, debunk, manufacture and smear.
(10:14:58 PM) Xetheriel: The only advantage we have is this: Linux is
out in the open, a community effort.
(10:15:35 PM) GNUguy: I don't think anyone wants to get into a
(10:15:45 PM) GNUguy: confrontation, but we
(10:15:48 PM) Xetheriel: PJ from groklaw said it best: The community
is very careful about what we do and what we allow, and how we go
about things, because its all open for everyone to see. Nothing is
hidden away.
(10:15:56 PM) GNUguy: should be prepared if we get jumped on
(10:16:10 PM) Penguiniator: position Linux as people helping people...
then MS looks bad if they attack that
(10:16:26 PM) GNUguy: perfect
(10:16:34 PM) Xetheriel: Linux = Community, MS = Corporation.
(10:16:47 PM) GNUguy: that was what attracted me to Linux
(10:16:54 PM) Xetheriel: And me.
(10:17:26 PM) GNUguy: Penguiniator: that is a really good strategy
(10:18:02 PM) bethlynn1: then you go down the communism fud
(10:18:06 PM) GNUguy: I can see a politician getting behind that concept too
(10:18:20 PM) GNUguy: i don't think so
(10:18:41 PM) GNUguy: our country started out with people helping one another
(10:18:51 PM) GNUguy: many cultures used that approach
(10:18:57 PM) GNUguy: to their benefit
(10:19:14 PM) GNUguy: communnism is more like big business
(10:19:16 PM) bethlynn1: we need to be prepared with the fact that the
multiple linux distros allow for competition/innovation
(10:19:33 PM) GNUguy: agreed
(10:19:43 PM) Xetheriel: I think it would be a *huge* stretch to
equate Linux to communism. I'm not sure even MS could make a leap like
that.
(10:19:48 PM) bethlynn1: microsoft on the other hand is a sole source
provider of proprietary products
(10:20:01 PM) GNUguy: hence communism
(10:20:05 PM) bethlynn1: if you want to support small American
businesses, like Ken
(10:20:19 PM) bethlynn1: you go Linux.... its good for captialism
(10:20:19 PM) GNUguy: our at least totalitarianism
(10:20:29 PM) GNUguy: that's great
(10:20:53 PM) Xetheriel: Absolutely. Linux distros have to be
competative, users naturally gradiate towards the one that works the
best.
(10:21:06 PM) GNUguy: a constant refinement process
(10:21:06 PM) bethlynn1: if you want to support a large megacorp with
offices in 100 countries, as well as software engineers from china and
india, you go with Microsoft
(10:21:26 PM) GNUguy: exactly
(10:21:28 PM) Xetheriel: Thats why I liked the "You're choice, You're
Freedom" approach.
(10:22:12 PM) Xetheriel: When people start to feel like a prisoner of
their own computer, they will switch.
(10:22:22 PM) GNUguy: makes sense
(10:22:28 PM) GNUguy: this goes back to our
(10:22:33 PM) GNUguy: discussion of a site
(10:22:41 PM) GNUguy: called tiredof windows
(10:22:50 PM) Xetheriel: Thats what made a friend of mine switch. Her
laptop was a brick.
(10:23:16 PM) GNUguy: if the malware doesn't get you
(10:23:21 PM) GNUguy: the registry will
(10:23:57 PM) Xetheriel: I plugged it in, turned it on, came back 30
minutes later, and it still hadn't finished booting.
(10:24:09 PM) GNUguy: ouch
(10:24:14 PM) Xetheriel: In an hour I had it up and running with Ubuntu.
(10:24:25 PM) Xetheriel: Fully updated.
(10:25:32 PM) GNUguy: lets collect our thoughts
(10:25:51 PM) GNUguy: possible venues for the pitch
(10:26:10 PM) GNUguy: museums -- technology demos
(10:26:27 PM) GNUguy: poilitician -- social/cultural change
(10:26:32 PM) GNUguy: or something like that
(10:26:48 PM) GNUguy: christian -- contact someone in the industry
(10:26:59 PM) Xetheriel: I will work through my contacts and see what
we can do about a spot on CBC's The Hour.
(10:27:14 PM) GNUguy: TV -- Canadian then maybe US
(10:27:14 PM) GNUguy: okay
(10:28:05 PM) bethlynn1: sorry getting very tired here
(10:28:18 PM) GNUguy: np I'm about done too
(10:28:22 PM) Xetheriel: No problem Beth. :)
--
Thanks,
Beth Lynn Eicher
Christian Einfeldt
Dec 16, 2009, 11:08:42 PM12/16/09
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sorry I missed this meeting. I was promoting our Linux schools project at Noisebridge. I think I got one volunteer for this weekend's hackfest. I will respond in greater detail later.
--
Christian Einfeldt,
Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
--
Christian Einfeldt,
Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
Joseph Brower
Dec 16, 2009, 11:32:31 PM12/16/09
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Anyone have a summary of this? I'm not sure what about the context for
a lot of this, and I don't have the time tonight to read over
everything.
a lot of this, and I don't have the time tonight to read over
everything.
Thanks,
Joseph Brower
Scott Bicknell
Dec 17, 2009, 1:41:51 AM12/17/09
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Joseph Brower wrote:
> Anyone have a summary of this? I'm not sure what about the context for
> a lot of this, and I don't have the time tonight to read over
> everything.
>
The meeting opened with a summary of a discussion between Zonker and > Anyone have a summary of this? I'm not sure what about the context for
> a lot of this, and I don't have the time tonight to read over
> everything.
>
Beth Lynn where it was decided that:
1. The working name of LDC is fine for now.
2. LDC will have project based leaders, beginning with Zonker, Larry,
Clint, Beth Lynn, and one additional person to be determined later.
Twelve months from now this will be re-evaluated. (message about this is
in the list.)
3. Directors are not meant to be project leaders. Anyone can start a
project.
4. Wiki profiles are encouraged to get to know one another.
5. Everyone who shows up has a voice in LDC.
6. Only those who have never said anything will be directly asked why
they are here.
7. This is a meritocracy.
It was determined that the next meeting would be on 12/30 and that the
agenda would be as follows:
A. Discuss who likes Wed vs Thurs for meetings
B. See where we are on the sugarcrm setup. Help people get wiki/blog
accounts, etc.
C. Followup on welcome to linux kit/magazine.
D. See who can be at SCALE to support the booth/talk.
E. Discuss appointing a 5th leader for LDC
It was decided that discussion about creating a separate mailing list
should happen in this mailing list.
There was discussion about all of the following ideas:
1. Beth Lynn mentioned http://codeoffsets.com/Projects.aspx as a
possible ally for LDC. She referred to
http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/16/when-does-marketing-software-become-political/
for her reasoning, and wants to treat marketing Linux like a political
campaign.
2. Use talk shows/pop culture figures as talking heads to get the word
out. Get ken to appear on Conan's show talking about what he does in Austin.
3. Get a politician with an education agenda to use Ken's kids as an
example of his kind of grass-roots reform at election time.
4. Demonstrate Linux in discovery museums.
5. Position Linux as people helping people. Then MS looks bad if they
attack that.
Scott
--
Have you tried Linux?
Joseph Brower
Dec 17, 2009, 10:59:11 AM12/17/09
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Thanks a ton for the summary.
Will Smith
Dec 17, 2009, 12:26:11 PM12/17/09
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Great Summary Scott, thank you.
Will--
Christian Einfeldt
Dec 17, 2009, 5:03:14 PM12/17/09
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hi,
I haven't heard of this program. I would love to find out more.
All of our footage will be available here, on the Internet Archive's Digital Tipping Point Video Collection (IA DTP VC):
http://archive.org/details/digitaltippingpoint
We already have 100 hours of forkable footage there under a cc by-SA license
Since people were giving their full names at Beth's request, my name is Christian Einfeldt. I am an attorney who has been using Linux in his law practice since 2000. I sue insurance companies, so my practice unfortunately is not relevant to our work here.
The idea is that we want to make a compelling documentary that will stand on its own as a documentary. We have shot 500 hours of footage, but we have not yet found a candidate as the "star" of the film, someone to wrap the footage around. The movie attempts to document the work of our local LUG community in supporting schools in the San Francisco Bay Area. We hope to follow one student or one teacher and use that person as a microcosm for showing how FOSS can be instrumental in beating the digital divide.
We have supported one school, which I will call by its acronym, KSFBA, for 5.5 years. KSFBA is part of a network of 5 public charter schools in the SF Bay Area. For 5 years, they had a Linux lab. Then the IT director, who is a Microsoft fanboy Linux-hater, got a grant, without telling our principal, and announced that all 5 schools would need to make room for brand new HP Microsoft Windows Vista computers. Since the school was full, the only place to put the Windows lab was the room occupied by the Linux lab.
On the same day that I was notified that we would have to move the Linux lab, I found out that another school (I'll call it CAS) only 3 blocks away had a Linux lab that was having troubles. Over the course of the next two months, our local LUGs got together and moved a number of the KSFBA machines out of the lab and into various KSFBA classrooms; and we expanded the size of the CAS lab and fixed their issues.
We are now in the process of expanding into a third project, the Mission Beacon Center (MBC), which is a community program and after-school program that operates from a public middle school in San Francisco's Mission District.
My goal is to use these projects to demonstrate to the community and to the San Francisco Unified School District a couple things:
1. That Linux is easy to use.
2. That it is possible to use re-purposed hardware to build these labs
3. That these labs can be built and maintained on a minimal budget.
Our second goal is to build a local non-profit, called Partimus.org, founded by Cathy Malmrose (CEO of Linux-only computer builder Zareason) and Maile Urbancic (both women), so that Partimus can fund the staffing of Linux centers in the San Francisco Bay Area and pay sys admins to support those centers. Partimus is a recognized 501(c)(3), and we have received our first $1,000.00 donation for the purpose of seeding grantwriting.
Our third goal is to document all of this work with the Digital Tipping Point movie, so that our work can be seen as a moving example with a compelling story and thus emulated globally.
I am an industry outsider. I'm a lawyer by trade.
Stephen Fry is obviously very pro GNU-Linux, as he not only uses it, but he did a video for the 25th anniversary of GNU.
Maybe Bernie Saunders of Vermont would support us. On the other hand, Bernie Saunders is a socialist, the only socialist in the US Senate, but still, not exactly mainstream.
Where do you live?
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Beth Lynn Eicher <bethlyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
(9:37:33 PM) Penguiniator: San Diego Schools has a program to put
laptops with SUSE in the hands of their students
I haven't heard of this program. I would love to find out more.
(9:38:56 PM) bethlynn1: and of course Christain is doing a movie
All of our footage will be available here, on the Internet Archive's Digital Tipping Point Video Collection (IA DTP VC):
http://archive.org/details/digitaltippingpoint
We already have 100 hours of forkable footage there under a cc by-SA license
(9:39:21 PM) Xetheriel: Christain?
Since people were giving their full names at Beth's request, my name is Christian Einfeldt. I am an attorney who has been using Linux in his law practice since 2000. I sue insurance companies, so my practice unfortunately is not relevant to our work here.
(9:39:36 PM) GNUguy: I was going to ask if he might not have some constacts
(9:39:45 PM) GNUguy: contacts
(9:40:21 PM) bethlynn1: Christian Einfeldt, he's part of the LDC
(9:40:37 PM) bethlynn1: he's making a documentary about a school
(9:40:44 PM) bethlynn1: and the decline of microsoft
The idea is that we want to make a compelling documentary that will stand on its own as a documentary. We have shot 500 hours of footage, but we have not yet found a candidate as the "star" of the film, someone to wrap the footage around. The movie attempts to document the work of our local LUG community in supporting schools in the San Francisco Bay Area. We hope to follow one student or one teacher and use that person as a microcosm for showing how FOSS can be instrumental in beating the digital divide.
We have supported one school, which I will call by its acronym, KSFBA, for 5.5 years. KSFBA is part of a network of 5 public charter schools in the SF Bay Area. For 5 years, they had a Linux lab. Then the IT director, who is a Microsoft fanboy Linux-hater, got a grant, without telling our principal, and announced that all 5 schools would need to make room for brand new HP Microsoft Windows Vista computers. Since the school was full, the only place to put the Windows lab was the room occupied by the Linux lab.
On the same day that I was notified that we would have to move the Linux lab, I found out that another school (I'll call it CAS) only 3 blocks away had a Linux lab that was having troubles. Over the course of the next two months, our local LUGs got together and moved a number of the KSFBA machines out of the lab and into various KSFBA classrooms; and we expanded the size of the CAS lab and fixed their issues.
We are now in the process of expanding into a third project, the Mission Beacon Center (MBC), which is a community program and after-school program that operates from a public middle school in San Francisco's Mission District.
My goal is to use these projects to demonstrate to the community and to the San Francisco Unified School District a couple things:
1. That Linux is easy to use.
2. That it is possible to use re-purposed hardware to build these labs
3. That these labs can be built and maintained on a minimal budget.
Our second goal is to build a local non-profit, called Partimus.org, founded by Cathy Malmrose (CEO of Linux-only computer builder Zareason) and Maile Urbancic (both women), so that Partimus can fund the staffing of Linux centers in the San Francisco Bay Area and pay sys admins to support those centers. Partimus is a recognized 501(c)(3), and we have received our first $1,000.00 donation for the purpose of seeding grantwriting.
Our third goal is to document all of this work with the Digital Tipping Point movie, so that our work can be seen as a moving example with a compelling story and thus emulated globally.
(9:49:05 PM) GNUguy: do think christian might have some contacts in the industry
(9:49:19 PM) Xetheriel: This type of campaign is still marketing,
just... political marketing.
(9:49:30 PM) Xetheriel: GNUguy: We could ask him. :)
(9:50:27 PM) GNUguy: lets see if he knows anyone that might be able to
pitch our cause to a shoew
(9:50:47 PM) Xetheriel: Agreed.
(9:50:47 PM) GNUguy: show
(9:51:11 PM) Xetheriel: The idea will likely sit better coming from
somebody inside the industry.
I am an industry outsider. I'm a lawyer by trade.
Stephen Fry is obviously very pro GNU-Linux, as he not only uses it, but he did a video for the 25th anniversary of GNU.
Maybe Bernie Saunders of Vermont would support us. On the other hand, Bernie Saunders is a socialist, the only socialist in the US Senate, but still, not exactly mainstream.
(10:06:37 PM) GNUguy: our unified school district is always looking
for more money
Where do you live?
Christian Einfeldt
Dec 17, 2009, 5:29:04 PM12/17/09
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Joseph Brower
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Also, if anyone knows of a school in Southeast Idaho that would to have
a Linux computer lab (ltsp) set up for them, training provided, and all
hardware included for free, let me know. My open source group here has
been getting all of our ducks in a row to donate a small lab with
server, workstations, and switch.
a Linux computer lab (ltsp) set up for them, training provided, and all
hardware included for free, let me know. My open source group here has
been getting all of our ducks in a row to donate a small lab with
server, workstations, and switch.
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 14:29 -0800, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> Here is a school district in Mass that uses Linux
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> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=3448
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Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Beth Lynn Eicher
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> (9:37:33 PM) Penguiniator: San Diego Schools has a program to put
> laptops with SUSE in the hands of their students
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> I haven't heard of this program. I would love to find out more.
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5336100320.html> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Beth Lynn Eicher
> <bethlyn...@gmail.com <mailto:bethlyn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> (9:37:33 PM) Penguiniator: San Diego Schools has a program to put
> laptops with SUSE in the hands of their students
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> I haven't heard of this program. I would love to find out more.
This is an article from 2007 about the program.
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