shock-proof 559 is there! - couple questions

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elias

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Mar 19, 2007, 6:50:17 PM3/19/07
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dear fellows


i have the pleasure to announce that the frame kit has reached this
shore of the Atlantic

it's a very very beautifull frame set, shock proof 559, metallic
green, ventisol cushion, rack, kick-stand, everything looks just
perfect and "bis auf das letzte Detail liebevoll gebaut"

while that might very likely sound trivial for you Dutch guys and
girls, it's a big thing for the small but very enthusiastic recumbent
scene in Brazil, then we don't see foreign 'bents very often, and
almost never European brands

well, I'm assembling the bike little by little - hurry has no use,
because i still have to wait for the ordered rear shock, and that is
taking more time than planned

there are two or three points that i'm not completely sure about - i
wonder if someone could help me out here?

1) can anyone teach me a reliable method for drilling holes in the
seat? it's the standard GFC - my primary concern here is symetry -
well, now i realize, the proper question is probably, do you knlow a
reliable method for placing the holes (drilling is the easy part then,
of course)?

2) there are two parts i can not figure out what they are good for - i
asked a couple bike mechanics today, no one could either (not 'bent
specialists though) -

they are portrayed here
http://fotos.terra.com.br/album.cgi/*1138301:f2

and here
http://fotos.terra.com.br/album.cgi/*1138301:f1 -

boom extension is there for scale visualization purposes solely


thank you in advance


all the best


artur

p.s.: yes, i have mailed Bram too - but somehow i got the impression
that i might receive quicker (and certainly longer, "ausfürlichere")
answers from here... ; ^ )


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herki...@yahoo.dk

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Mar 20, 2007, 3:15:33 PM3/20/07
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Arthur wrote

> 2) there are two parts i can not figure out what they are good for - i
> asked a couple bike mechanics today, no one could either (not 'bent
> specialists though) -

Good question, but anything you can't find a use for will save
weight on the bike!

The problem reminds me of school exams, where you have to solve a
technical problem and a number of physical properties are given.
In most exams, each of those properties is needed to correctly
solve the problem. But if the teacher wants to make you sweat,
he adds some extra properties for which there is no use at all.
Maybe that is the case here :}

More seriously, I was thinking the nylon part might be used
to mount a computer (can't see exactly how); the steel part
might be a kick-stand extender?
Anyway, nice to see some pictures from the Brazilian recumbent
scene. Good luck with the puzzle.

RB


Rode Pioneer

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Mar 20, 2007, 3:25:57 PM3/20/07
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> More seriously, I was thinking the nylon part might be used
> to mount a computer (can't see exactly how); the steel part
Headlight is also a possibility.

For the other thing I could think of some uses but not yet as any bike
part. :)

--
Grrz
Rode Pioneer

Ben van den Boogaard

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Mar 20, 2007, 4:25:54 PM3/20/07
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From: "Rode Pioneer"

>> More seriously, I was thinking the nylon part might be used
>> to mount a computer (can't see exactly how); the steel part
> Headlight is also a possibility.

In the two M5-bikes I've got, slices of that black nilon in used to support
the seat.

Ben - fijn velomobiel-weer - v.d.B.


Mark-Jan Bastian

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Mar 20, 2007, 4:43:34 PM3/20/07
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Hi Elias,

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:50:17PM -0700, elias wrote:
> i have the pleasure to announce that the frame kit has reached this
> shore of the Atlantic

Great news!



> it's a very very beautifull frame set, shock proof 559, metallic
> green, ventisol cushion, rack, kick-stand, everything looks just
> perfect and "bis auf das letzte Detail liebevoll gebaut"

"Tot op het kleinste (laatste ?) detail liefdevol gemaakt" would be
proper dutch, which is not german. Times have changed. ;-)
These days, the nice people from germany visit the dutch (The Netherlands)
city of Middelburg (where M5 is located) for recreational purposes only.

> while that might very likely sound trivial for you Dutch guys and
> girls, it's a big thing for the small but very enthusiastic recumbent
> scene in Brazil, then we don't see foreign 'bents very often, and
> almost never European brands

Nice to see some exports, we import probably lots of argicultural products
from Brazil. Is it true that lots of cars in brazil run on fuel with no
less than 20% ethanol ?



> p.s.: yes, i have mailed Bram too - but somehow i got the impression

> that i might receive quicker (and certainly longer, "ausf?rlichere")


> answers from here... ; ^ )

At least it would be a more authorative source of information...

Best Regards,

Mark-Jan

elias

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Mar 20, 2007, 5:42:32 PM3/20/07
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On 20 mrt, 17:43, Mark-Jan Bastian <mark...@xs4all.nl> wrote:


> "Tot op het kleinste (laatste ?) detail liefdevol gemaakt" would be

> proper dutch, which is not german (...)

well, ahm, sorry, and let me explain that:

i know very well the diference between German and Dutch languages; but

1) when i was in the Netherlands for a couple of days about 13-14
years ago,
i got a strong feeling that about EVERYBODY, or at least ALL educated
people could handle German and English with astonishing ease -
sometimes they switched from E. to G. in the middle of a conversation
(because my German was/is actually better) giving the impression they
didn't even notice it - actually i tried to learn some Dutch before
that trip, but then i had a hard time trying to find a situation i
could practise it... wich eventually hapened one year after that, but
not in Holland; i spend one day in Brugge (Belgium) and was very proud
that i could manage not to bring one word one word G. or E. out of my
mouth that day, just Dutch (wich was probably mistaken for a very bad
Flemish...) - now i forgot about everything; the phonetics is very
hard for German speakers

2) i have almost no German background (just a little, very far away in
the family line), as you can see from my name: ARTUR (w/o h) ELIAS (my
grandfather was a Lebanese) CARNEIRO (typical Portuguese Brazilian
name); my mother spoke an Italian dialect with her mother (a Brazilian
girl, daughter of italian imigrants, who married the Lebanese guy...)

3) i just happen to speak, read and write good German
because i lived in Germany (for studies) about 3 years

4) in the other thread i started it was agreed that i may use English
or German, and one fellow even wrote in Spanish, wich was extremely
nice even if it's not my mother tongue...

5) believe it or not, i've never seen a recumbent during the whole
time i spent in Europe in 1992-95 - i've just 'discovered' them
several years after i came back to Brazil - thanks to the pioneer work
of Pedro Zöher da Costa http://www.zohrer.com.br/

6) i like Dutch very much - i just do, not trying to be diplomatic
here

> Nice to see some exports, we import probably lots of argicultural products
> from Brazil.


a.: well, i don't think that's a fair statement,
since The Netherlands are one of the world's biggest exporters

BTW i'd feel embarassed if i would have to tell the monetary
relationship between a) what i earn in a month and b) what this kit
+shipping+taxes has costed

Is it true that lots of cars in brazil run on fuel with no
> less than 20% ethanol ?

a.: that's probably true - i don't know the exact % - i don't know
much about cars, i avoid them as much as i can (can be tuff without a
superb public transportation as you have in Europe) -

but we do have lots of ethanol-only fueled cars, and, since about 2
years (i guess) a so called "flex-power" motor that became very
popular and can burn about everything from gasoline to ethanol to
natural gas

biodiesel is also growing in importance - there is a lot of heavy
discussion about all that and it's hard to form an unbiased opinion
wether all non-fossile fuels are really any more environment-freandly
or not in the long run (many different factors must be considered)


> At least it would be a more authorative source of information...


a.: yes of course - he actually answered my first question - about
seat drilling - know i'm waiting the solution for the other mystery...


regards


artur
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elias

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Mar 20, 2007, 5:53:28 PM3/20/07
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On 20 mrt, 16:15, herkimer...@yahoo.dk wrote:

> (...) anything you can't find a use for will save
> weight on the bike!

a.: good idea, perhaps i can avoid mounting some other parts too...

> the steel part
> might be a kick-stand extender?

a.: well, that was a good one; the diameter of the thing
is just a bit more than the kick-stand -
this is the closest we got so far...


> Anyway, nice to see some pictures from the Brazilian recumbent
> scene. Good luck with the puzzle.


dank je wel RB

you might want to visit my new-born 'bent blog - sorry, just
Portuguese, but Dutch comments are welcome...

http://pespracima.blogspot.com/

Bicicletas Reclinadas Zöhrer from Rio de Janeiro mantain a Flotolog
with lots of images of their work and from their customers

http://www.fotolog.com/zohrer_clube

best regards

artur
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elias

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Mar 20, 2007, 5:58:14 PM3/20/07
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On 20 mrt, 16:25, Rode Pioneer <g...@scintilla.utwente.nl> wrote:

> For the other thing I could think of some uses but not yet as any bike
> part. :)


is this forum actually opened to under 18-ners? ;^)

Mark-Jan Bastian

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Mar 21, 2007, 3:46:13 AM3/21/07
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Hi Elias / Artur,

It was not my intention to offend you, nor am I offended, see my ;-)
marks. You're welcome.

> 4) in the other thread i started it was agreed that i may use English
> or German, and one fellow even wrote in Spanish, wich was extremely
> nice even if it's not my mother tongue...

Yeah, with english you reach usually the largest audience, except on a
dutch mailinglist, which allows most people still can express themselves
best in their native tongue, which happens to be dutch for most of us.



> 5) believe it or not, i've never seen a recumbent during the whole
> time i spent in Europe in 1992-95 - i've just 'discovered' them
> several years after i came back to Brazil - thanks to the pioneer work

> of Pedro Z?her da Costa http://www.zohrer.com.br/

Could very well be, late 90's I bought my first recumbent, there were a
rare sight back then too. Now it is more common, but still a little 'odd'
(see the 'wat ze zeggen' mails in this group).

Best Regards,

Mark-Jan

elias

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Mar 21, 2007, 8:48:09 AM3/21/07
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On 21 mrt, 04:46, Mark-Jan Bastian <mark...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi Elias / Artur,
>
> It was not my intention to offend you, nor am I offended, see my ;-)
> marks. You're welcome.


a. dank je Mark

no offense ever taken!


> Could very well be, late 90's I bought my first recumbent, there were a
> rare sight back then too. Now it is more common, but still a little 'odd'
> (see the 'wat ze zeggen' mails in this group).


i've seen something of the kind at Ligfiets Plaza
it would be nice to have the funniest sentences translated to other
languages
i've heard a lot of bizarre stuff myself...

all the best

a.
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Rode Pioneer

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Mar 21, 2007, 9:35:10 AM3/21/07
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> > Could very well be, late 90's I bought my first recumbent, there were a
> > rare sight back then too. Now it is more common, but still a little 'odd'
> > (see the 'wat ze zeggen' mails in this group).
>
> i've seen something of the kind at Ligfiets Plaza
> it would be nice to have the funniest sentences translated to other
> languages
> i've heard a lot of bizarre stuff myself...
Please, enlighten us !

Kind regards
Rode Pioneer (Red Pioneer)

elias

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Mar 23, 2007, 9:54:09 AM3/23/07
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> Please, enlighten us !
>
> Kind regards
> Rode Pioneer (Red Pioneer)


well... they are hard to translate - i'll try a couple sentences,
and, when i have some more free time, i'll try with some little
stories too
(perhaps a multi-language "Wat ze zeggen" thread?
ok, forget it...)

I

"That one is from Australia, isn't it?"

(Nice old lady who has been to Australia as a tourist;
as i unterstood it, she has seen a recumbent there;
now she has a firm belief that the recumbent is an Aussie
invention :^)))
i told her that one was made in Brazil, but i'm unsure if she believed
me or not


II


"That one is for back-injured people, isn't it?" - says about 30 years
old skateboarder (!), in a less-than-very-nice voice tone, in the park
near my place

"No", i replied, "this bike is for INTELLIGENT people -
those who don't want to feel pain while riding, or get injured or
whatsoever"

--- long silence ---

"Hey", he replied back, in a very convicted manner, "i know about
them, i've seen on TV, i'm sure they're made for back-injured people"
(sounded like "don't try to fool me, i know better") :^)))


III

this one is truely bizarre, allthough it was not ill-meant:

"well, that's odd...it looks like...it looks like a headless
(beheaded) hen"

neighbor from mine - i had a SWB UUS back then...


all the best


artur
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elias

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Mar 23, 2007, 10:08:44 AM3/23/07
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well, i've got some nice gesses about those strange parts, and 1
advice about seat mounting (private mailed) - whats wrong with you,
guys, are you all non-technical (iwon't believe that), dou you lack
"recumkbent compassion", or are you just too lazy to write in a
foreign language?* ;^)

i actually have one more important question:

- what's the proper method for bringing the boom extension piece
to perfect alignement with the main frame?


many thanks in advance


sorry with this is annoying in any way


artur

http://pespracima.blogspot.com/
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elias

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Mar 23, 2007, 10:16:31 AM3/23/07
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p.s. sorry for the many spelling inaccuracies in the last post

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