Compost Color as Indicator of High Levels of Humic Acids - Question
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ednaknightlora
Nov 20, 2012, 2:38:30 PM11/20/12
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Elaine suggested making our own humic acid rather than using commercially available humic acid made from leonardite for use in compost tea. My question is, how can we know how much humic acid is in our compost? Is color an indicator (70% cocoa) and have there been calibrations done to test this?
I remember hearing comments on test tubes of compost and the water being "muddy looking" (not high in humic acid?) and other samples with water having a rich brown tint (high levels of humic acid?).
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Edna
Jonathan Pineault
Nov 22, 2012, 9:44:33 AM11/22/12
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Hello everyone,
I want to know if you have any good resource to go further with identification of microorganisms of the soil. Alex talked with Elaine of microbeorganic and it seems that he is doing some error with identification. Additionally, his web site is not structured at all.
If you think that there is not good, verified, scientific resource for soil microscopy on the internet, I wanted to know if you would be interested to participate in a "Life in the soil Wiki".
The goals of such a wiki project would be:
- provide good information about the techniques for soil microscopy
- provide a good base for identification of usual soil organisms
- provide a user-friendly structure to contribute to the subject of regenerating soils biology
- the information would need to be verified by peers, so we have good verified scientific info
The content would need to be "open source" like Creative Commons. It would be free of any adds. It would be free from any private company influence.
I talked with a friend that started ekopedia.org 10 years ago. He know few foundations that would be interested in such a project. He could be the webmaster to make something solid, and user-friendly.
So here are the next steps (where I need you little bit):
- Do you know any good internet resource about soil life and soil microscopy? Please provide me the web site.
- Do you think there is a need of such a scientific, verified, resource?
- Would you be interested to participate in such a project?
- If yes, how? (scientific verification, writing basic articles, donors, moral support for fund raising)
I will work on that during the winter time. I need to build a good file to search for funding to start that wiki. I will also soon need cover letter from the scientific community and people that uses the techniques taught by Elaine.
Seeking you advices and replies,
Jonathan Pineault
permaculture designer
écomestible
Québec
I want to know if you have any good resource to go further with identification of microorganisms of the soil. Alex talked with Elaine of microbeorganic and it seems that he is doing some error with identification. Additionally, his web site is not structured at all.
If you think that there is not good, verified, scientific resource for soil microscopy on the internet, I wanted to know if you would be interested to participate in a "Life in the soil Wiki".
The goals of such a wiki project would be:
- provide good information about the techniques for soil microscopy
- provide a good base for identification of usual soil organisms
- provide a user-friendly structure to contribute to the subject of regenerating soils biology
- the information would need to be verified by peers, so we have good verified scientific info
The content would need to be "open source" like Creative Commons. It would be free of any adds. It would be free from any private company influence.
I talked with a friend that started ekopedia.org 10 years ago. He know few foundations that would be interested in such a project. He could be the webmaster to make something solid, and user-friendly.
So here are the next steps (where I need you little bit):
- Do you know any good internet resource about soil life and soil microscopy? Please provide me the web site.
- Do you think there is a need of such a scientific, verified, resource?
- Would you be interested to participate in such a project?
- If yes, how? (scientific verification, writing basic articles, donors, moral support for fund raising)
I will work on that during the winter time. I need to build a good file to search for funding to start that wiki. I will also soon need cover letter from the scientific community and people that uses the techniques taught by Elaine.
Seeking you advices and replies,
Jonathan Pineault
permaculture designer
écomestible
Québec
Edna Lora
Nov 22, 2012, 9:43:46 AM11/22/12
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I would be very interested. The guy you are referring to is the one who sells a set of CDs with photos of soil microorganisms. I'm glad you checked into the accuracy.
I would be interested in writing articles, scientific verification, fundraising. My partner would as well. She is actually a PhD evolutionary biologist and academic. She was a research scientist at Emory University before having kids. She is French by the way.
Oh, I am also pretty darn good at Photoshop. I can help with images.
Thanks, Jonathan!
Best,
Edna
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Elsa
Nov 23, 2012, 9:34:07 PM11/23/12
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Hi Jonathon,
I think a wiki would be a great idea. But I do think we should do a good search of available resources (online). I've only found a few so far and believe I posted them to this forum earlier. My concern with the wiki is that people who are already very knowleageable be part of the design process. Folks such as Elaine Ingham and the authors of Teaming with microbes and other soil scientists be solicited directly to participate as they are the people we will rely on for clearing up identification discrepencies. Their names attached to funding proposals will also also lend credibility to the proposal.
I'd be glad to participate in whatever way would be most helpful.
Elsa
I think a wiki would be a great idea. But I do think we should do a good search of available resources (online). I've only found a few so far and believe I posted them to this forum earlier. My concern with the wiki is that people who are already very knowleageable be part of the design process. Folks such as Elaine Ingham and the authors of Teaming with microbes and other soil scientists be solicited directly to participate as they are the people we will rely on for clearing up identification discrepencies. Their names attached to funding proposals will also also lend credibility to the proposal.
I'd be glad to participate in whatever way would be most helpful.
Elsa
Ingham, Elaine
Nov 25, 2012, 9:36:07 AM11/25/12
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This would be great! I have tried to have Soil Foodweb Inc do this sort of thing, but the Board always felt that we would be giving away some of the IP if they did that......now that I've basically left Soil Foodweb behind...... the labs are really functioning on their own based on the methods I developed..... I am free to participate in this.
Rodale might like to participate however. This project might initially be able to have space on the Rodale server, if that would help reduce initial costs. If that idea meets with your interest, let me know, and I will talk to Coach about it.
I have hundreds of pictures that could be put up on such a website. I would be willing to spend some time, WITH SOMEONE ELSE"S HELP, to put together a list of books that contain the knowledge you are asking about. I always intended to put that together, but somehow, it is one of those projects that gets put to the side. I like to have time to do family things, and as I have gotten older, I have gotten much more un-willing to let work issues encroach on that time. So, help is needed.
Again, perhaps Rodale could have an intern or research tech work on this project part-time, or if you got funding for it, I could work with you to have you do the leg work linking electronically to the references. The reference books probably are not on-line, as most of those books and manuals are older than 1990.
I certainly can write a letter of suppport, but also having letters from the people doing microscope work would be most useful. I can have Maria Pop send --- if she hasn't already ---the class lists to you, and send the lists of any class we have. Also, if there is a site like this, I would give the information to people in any class I teach.
Most Universities have professor whose basic work is taxonomic ID of these groups. Admittedly, much of this has gotten molecular, but they have to tie their molecular taxonomy back to the morphological taxonomy, so they should be resources for the information about microscope ID. Probably true for all groups except bacteria, actually.
So, let me know how I can help, just realize I can't sign on full time to work on this.
Elaine R. Ingham
Chief Scientist
Rodale Institute
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Pineault [mailto:jona...@ecomestible.com]
Sent: Thu 11/22/2012 9:44 AM
To: Life in the soil Group
Subject: Ressources for soil microbiology identification
Hello everyone,
I want to know if you have any good resource to go further with
identification of microorganisms of the soil. Alex talked with Elaine of
microbeorganic <http://www.microbeorganics.com/> and it seems that he is
*verified* scientific info
The content would need to be "open source" like Creative Commons. It
would be free of any adds. It would be free from any private company
influence.
I talked with a friend that started ekopedia.org
<http://www.ekopedia.org/>10 years ago. He know few foundations that
Québec
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Rodale might like to participate however. This project might initially be able to have space on the Rodale server, if that would help reduce initial costs. If that idea meets with your interest, let me know, and I will talk to Coach about it.
I have hundreds of pictures that could be put up on such a website. I would be willing to spend some time, WITH SOMEONE ELSE"S HELP, to put together a list of books that contain the knowledge you are asking about. I always intended to put that together, but somehow, it is one of those projects that gets put to the side. I like to have time to do family things, and as I have gotten older, I have gotten much more un-willing to let work issues encroach on that time. So, help is needed.
Again, perhaps Rodale could have an intern or research tech work on this project part-time, or if you got funding for it, I could work with you to have you do the leg work linking electronically to the references. The reference books probably are not on-line, as most of those books and manuals are older than 1990.
I certainly can write a letter of suppport, but also having letters from the people doing microscope work would be most useful. I can have Maria Pop send --- if she hasn't already ---the class lists to you, and send the lists of any class we have. Also, if there is a site like this, I would give the information to people in any class I teach.
Most Universities have professor whose basic work is taxonomic ID of these groups. Admittedly, much of this has gotten molecular, but they have to tie their molecular taxonomy back to the morphological taxonomy, so they should be resources for the information about microscope ID. Probably true for all groups except bacteria, actually.
So, let me know how I can help, just realize I can't sign on full time to work on this.
Elaine R. Ingham
Chief Scientist
Rodale Institute
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Pineault [mailto:jona...@ecomestible.com]
Sent: Thu 11/22/2012 9:44 AM
To: Life in the soil Group
Subject: Ressources for soil microbiology identification
Hello everyone,
I want to know if you have any good resource to go further with
identification of microorganisms of the soil. Alex talked with Elaine of
doing some error with identification. Additionally, his web site is not
structured at all.
If you think that there is not good, verified, scientific resource for
soil microscopy on the internet, I wanted to know if you would be
interested to participate in a "Life in the soil Wiki".
*The goals of such a wiki project would be**:*
structured at all.
If you think that there is not good, verified, scientific resource for
soil microscopy on the internet, I wanted to know if you would be
interested to participate in a "Life in the soil Wiki".
- provide good information about the techniques for soil microscopy
- provide a good base for identification of usual soil organisms
- provide a user-friendly structure to contribute to the subject of
regenerating soils biology
- the information would *need* to be verified by peers, so we have good
- provide a good base for identification of usual soil organisms
- provide a user-friendly structure to contribute to the subject of
regenerating soils biology
*verified* scientific info
The content would need to be "open source" like Creative Commons. It
would be free of any adds. It would be free from any private company
influence.
I talked with a friend that started ekopedia.org
would be interested in such a project. He could be the webmaster to make
something solid, and user-friendly.
*So here are the next steps (where I need you little bit):*
something solid, and user-friendly.
- Do you know any good internet resource about soil life and soil
microscopy? Please provide me the web site.
- Do you think there is a need of such a scientific, verified, resource?
- Would you be interested to participate in such a project?
- If yes, how? (scientific verification, writing basic articles, donors,
moral support for fund raising)
I will work on that during the winter time. I need to build a good file
to search for funding to start that wiki. I will also soon need cover
letter from the scientific community and people that uses the techniques
taught by Elaine.
Seeking you advices and replies,
Jonathan Pineault
permaculture designer
écomestible <http://ecomestible.com>
microscopy? Please provide me the web site.
- Do you think there is a need of such a scientific, verified, resource?
- Would you be interested to participate in such a project?
- If yes, how? (scientific verification, writing basic articles, donors,
moral support for fund raising)
I will work on that during the winter time. I need to build a good file
to search for funding to start that wiki. I will also soon need cover
letter from the scientific community and people that uses the techniques
taught by Elaine.
Seeking you advices and replies,
Jonathan Pineault
permaculture designer
Québec
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Jonathan Pineault
Nov 25, 2012, 2:22:43 PM11/25/12
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So it seems that there is a good need of that kind of resource. Thank you all for the support and proposals of help and contribution.
Here are my next steps :
- I draw a basic vision of the project and submit that to the group so few people interested to be in the starting nucleus can contritube to the vision
- I'll make few searches on internet to search for more knowledge existing about soil microscopy and soil restoration with biology. Please provide any website you might think is useful.
Once we have a clear and simple vision about the project, we will be able to gather people around that vision. At that moment we will contact more scientists to provide contributions and people using microscopy to restore soil biology, too!
I'm really excited by that project and I want to take the time to put some strong basis to build something worth the work! It could become a collaborative platform for the scientific world and all restorative ecology people!
@Elsa: my concern is also to have the information approved by scientific community.
Please send me any good internet or book resource about soil microbiology. The nematode indentification website sent by Edna is really good!
More to come in the next weeks :)
Jonathan Pineault
permaculture designer
écomestible
Québec
Le dim 25/11/12 09:36 , "Ingham, Elaine" <elaine...@rodaleinstitute.org> a écrit::
Here are my next steps :
- I draw a basic vision of the project and submit that to the group so few people interested to be in the starting nucleus can contritube to the vision
- I'll make few searches on internet to search for more knowledge existing about soil microscopy and soil restoration with biology. Please provide any website you might think is useful.
Once we have a clear and simple vision about the project, we will be able to gather people around that vision. At that moment we will contact more scientists to provide contributions and people using microscopy to restore soil biology, too!
I'm really excited by that project and I want to take the time to put some strong basis to build something worth the work! It could become a collaborative platform for the scientific world and all restorative ecology people!
@Elsa: my concern is also to have the information approved by scientific community.
Please send me any good internet or book resource about soil microbiology. The nematode indentification website sent by Edna is really good!
More to come in the next weeks :)
Jonathan Pineault
permaculture designer
écomestible
Le dim 25/11/12 09:36 , "Ingham, Elaine" <elaine...@rodaleinstitute.org> a écrit::
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