Dragon shade on Haryana Dairies!

[Dr. Sadana]

https://decodingthedragon.substack.com/p/42-why-chinas-18000-litre-super-cows

Farmers need be encouraged to report any agents or companies offering miracle embryos in secret.

[Selvarajan Rajeshwaran]

Dear Dr Sadana,

This is a vast and controversial subject and requires detailed and long discussion.

Unfortunately, the present situation is:
1. The milk marketers large and small have no clue as to whether the milk that they are purchasing comes from which type of animal cow or buffalo and if known which breed (totalling 64 in number).
2. Reconstituted milk solution is sold as "fresh milk" at the same price of real fresh milk! The rules framed 50 years ago allow market players to pull blinds over the consumer eyes

3.The only criteria for "milk" is milk fat % and milk protein%.

1. Embryo Transfer is an extremely costly process, with a conception costing over Rs.1 lakh probably. With success rate of even 10% in conception, the cost goes upto Rs.10 lakh per calf at birth!
2. Cloned emyros are expected to have a lower conception rate of probably 10% on that 10%. Just calculate the cost involved. Runs into crores per cow! 

So, if these so called embryos are being sold at anything less than 10 lakh per embryo, we can be sure that there is something wrong, seriously wrong.

Remember, Government of Punjab and Haryana and other states are actively promoting "sex sorted" frozen semen! The conception rate of 3:1 in normal AI and 1:1 in natural service falls to 6+:1. All at the cost to the farmer. Every cycle missed costs Rs.5000+ loss. For 6 six cycles, it is Rs.30,000 loss to the farmer, using the sexed semen!

The author himself says that if cloning is done within India, it is ok and officially being done! But, if done outside the country, it is suspicious. What if these foreign agencies start producing in India? Yes, the suspicion is valid. But, law enforcement is a zero, especially if farmers themselves consciously go for it without informing anyone. Anyway, the data on milk production will be available only after the calf born bears calf i.3. 3-4 years from the date of Emyro Transfer!  By then much water would have flown down in all the rivers of the country.

When do we wake up as professionals?

Dr. S Rajeshwaran BVSc PGDRM PhD (IIMB)
Dr Waran's Livestock Management Consultancy

Bangalore
9483503392

On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 at 12:01, Dr. Sadana <sada...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://decodingthedragon.substack.com/p/42-why-chinas-18000-litre-super-cows

Farmers need be encouraged to report any agents or companies offering miracle embryos in secret.

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[Ilse Köhler-Rollefson]

Not sure about the veracity of this article. It is deliberately written in a very alarmist style, without providing any concrete information/evidence how this is happening. How do the embryos get here? Are they smuggled in in luggage?

And as Dr. Waran points out, this makes no economic sense either. Farmers do get tempted if they hear of such wonder cows, but I don't think it's the smallholders. They could not afford embryos anyway.

But definitely something the government needs to control.

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On Sun, Aug 31, 2025, 12:01 Dr. Sadana <sada...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://decodingthedragon.substack.com/p/42-why-chinas-18000-litre-super-cows

Farmers need be encouraged to report any agents or companies offering miracle embryos in secret.

[Datta Rangnekar]

Dear Life Group 

I read with interest mail from Dr. Rajeshwaran and thought of sharing information on two subjects. -

1. Embryo Transfer & 2. Sex Sorted Frozen Semen. 

1. Embryo transfer is carried since many years by Col. Dr. Yadav on a Farm of Gir cattle of Bombay Gorakshan Mandali at Betegaon, near Palghar. He reports good success & reasonable cost. In case Dr. Rajeshwaran & other members are interested in more information I will provide his mobile no. 

2. Sex Sorted Frozen Semen - The NDDB and the BAIF are producing it since a few years and using in a few states. It would be useful to get information on Cost and Success rate from these organisations. 

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[Selvarajan Rajeshwaran]

Thank you Dr Ranganekar for being ready to share the information on cost of ET. I would be keen to know more. You can share it on my email id dr.w...@gmail.com.

My costing may be old since I was working in the ET & cloning lab in the late 1980s. Hopefully, the rate of conception and the number of conceptions per flushing has increased.

But it requires a complete field ET lab to implant the embryo in the field with a professional team.

Let those who are working in this space share information on the techno economics of both ET and cloning, specifically the success rate for that is the denominator to calculate per calf born or per conception.

For a cow or buffalo to be a donor, her pedigree has to be excellent (top 10%), with proper records.

My hunch holds that both have limited or no meaning in real life situations due to their cost and impracticality, especially under Indian conditions.  All additional cost of every estrus cycle wasted (not conceived) is borne by the farmer. And no one ever talks about it. Each cycle missed of 21 days costs Rs.5000. If it cash outflow, it is worse. Do these costing people add this cost to the cost per embryo or per conception or per calf born? I doubt it.

Best wishes.

Dr. S Rajeshwaran BVSc PGDRM PhD (IIMB)
Dr Waran's Livestock Management Consultancy

Bangalore
9483503392

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[Kandasamy N]

1.For a cow or buffalo to be a donor, her pedigree has to be excellent (top 10%), with proper records.

This is the most crucial point overlooked in all ET donor cows/buffaloes.

The main aim of ET is to multiply genetically superior cows through multiple ovulations and AI should be done with genetically superior bulls( top 5- 10% progeny tested bulls)

The devil is in the details. How to identify genetically superior cows for milk yield?

Scientifically top 5 to 10% of the cows have to be selected by comparing with  their contemporaries. Not simply based on single lactation record of an individual cow. Herd and contemporaries should be factored into.

Under Indian conditions  at least average of three lactations should be compared as contemporaries are few and herds are small. Selecting bulls based on dam's milk yield is yet another stupidity 

2.My hunch holds that both have limited or no meaning in real life situations due to their cost and impracticality, especially under Indian conditions.  All additional cost of every estrus cycle wasted (not conceived) is borne by the farmer. And no one ever talks about it. 

Every statement is hundred per cent correct.

Dr.N.Kandasamy,Ph.D.,
Professor of Animal Genetics(retd.),
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