Lidos on Lake Sammamish
Jim Mackey
Hi Jim,Sounds like fun. Let me see what my schedule is going to be this weekend. I’m hopeful it will work out (it may not though since we’ve got some extra things going on right now).Does the wind blow regularly on Lake Sammamish or is there some way to tell if Saturday or Sunday would be the better day?Is earlier or later in the day better for you?Regards,CalebFrom: Jim MackeySent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:11 AMCc: availa...@gmail.com ; ronSubject: Re: Teak Centerboard braces?Hi Caleb,Sounds like I'm practically your neighbor, l live (and sail) on Lake Sammamish. Hope you can join us for a sail soon. There is one other new Lido sailor on our lake as well. We'd love to welcome you into Seattle Fleet 80. There are no additional dues or anything associated with our fleet. I'm happy to help with getting you measureds.Several Lidos ago (my first Lido), had the forward drain plug, and I tried to find the hull number. I tried scratching the floor and the transom (under the cut out) looking for the number, and never could find it. I believe mine was on the transom centered under the cut-out about 1-2 " down, but the number was painted on under what was then clear epoxy with fiberglass threads. Over time the epoxy yellowed and the fiberglass threads turned white, so there was no way to read the painted number or strip that off leaving the paint intact. So I eventually gave up on knowing the number (it was an abandoned boat so I had no history).Those boats are strong as steel - a bit heavy for racing, but great for getting started and no worries for beaching on the sand.Any interest in comming over for a sail this weekend? My boat and Fernado's are right on the water so it's easy to get out. You can launch at the State Park or Vasa which is a closer sail to my house (check that their launch ramp is open)- JimOn Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Dave Carroll <lido...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
I’ve forwarded your message to Jim Mackey in Seattle, I hope he contacts you. If you join the Seattle fleet you can get your boat measured by the fleet measurer, otherwise Tom Glade is your man to see.
It looks as if your boat has an upgraded vang and centerboard lift attachment.
The teak braces need to be ground or shimmed where they attach to the seats to match the same spot on the centerboard trunk. The seat faces aren’t parallel—no matter, they’re all that way.
I think the spot behind your trunk is about 3-4” aft. Don’t use paint remover, it softens the resin too!
I also forwarded this to Ron Fish who has the old boat at Fern Ridge—maybe he can help. He has the only old boat I know of with a number that is visible.
Dave
From: availa...@gmail.com [mailto:availa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:26 AM
To: lido...@roadrunner.com
Cc: 'Tom Glade'
Subject: Re: Teak Centerboard braces?
Hi Dave,
Yes, our Lido’s drain plug is in front of the centerboard trunk. It looks like the boom vang attachment has been replaced with a U-shaped piece of stainless steel.
Do you have any idea how far behind the trunk in inches would the number be? (want to minimize how much of the paint I take off)
I’m located in Woodinville, WA, which is across from Seattle on the northeast side of Lake Washington. Didn’t know there was a fleet in Seattle. That’s much closer than Anacortes.
I’ve attached 4 pictures. Two show closeups of either side of the braces while I am holding them where I expect they would be installed (note: I’m holding both since they’re wrapped together at the moment). Then there’s an overall picture of me holding the braces.
The last picture is of the bag of screws supplied.
Ok, I’ll put it on my list to get the chainplate screws attended to pronto. Thanks for the heads up :)
Regards,
Caleb
From: Dave Carroll
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:40 PM
To: 'Caleb D.'
Cc: 'Tom Glade'
Subject: RE: Teak Centerboard braces?
Your certified measurer for the PNW is Tom Glade of Anacortes. I have copied him on this mail.
Boats made in 1959 numbered from #173 - #504. They probably all had the drain plug in front of the centerboard trunk. Unless it’s been changed, the vang and centerboard uphaul fittings are molded bronze wire on each side of the drain.
The hull number was behind the trunk on the floor. More than likely, it’s still there but might not be legible because the fiberglass resin gets opaque in the sun.
I owned #545 and the number was below the hole for the tiller inside the transom and the plug was in the transom.
You can join the class right now as an associate member and get the by-laws, roster, approved changes and the Bow Waves for 2012. It’s only $20. And you will have a chance to study the literature.
To be a senior member you should have your boat measured and eligible to race. This might be a serious winter project.
Don’t worry too much about the boat’s age—only a few years ago Ron Fish won a Class Championship race at Fernridge, OR in a sub 200 hull. I could still read the number but didn’t get a photo of it.
There is a Fleet in Seattle and several active boats in Sequim, WA at the John Wayne YC. Where are you located?
Attached is a photo of a 2000 series boat that used to have Schock Braces attached with an angle clip to the trunk and screwed to the front of the seat. Not a good installation.
2600 was a class Champion I restored for Warren Fox. Aluminum tube braces—easier to slide hiking straps in and out and more robust.
Before you do anything though, remove and replace the screws in your chainplates and avoid losing a mast with all of the attendant grief. These screws often are corroded and brake under the first heavy load.
Sometimes the wood is rotten too!
Photos would be good!
Dave
From: Caleb D. [mailto:availa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:41 PM
To: lido...@roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: Teak Centerboard braces?
Hi Dave,
No, I'm not a member of the class. Have just started sailing this year. I'm looking into joining though. It looks like our Lido needs to adhere to class rules (of which there are a lot) to be part of the class? I looked and the closest fleet I could find is in Anacortes. Do I just contact their Lido 14 Measurer?
We were told by the previous owner that the hull number is 240 (or 250, I can't remember at the moment). I looked up on DoubleWave where to find the hull number and it looks like for our model it would be aft of the centerboard box, but unfortunately, one of the previous owners sealed the floor with some kind of paint, so it is obscured (and I don't know exactly where to start scratching off the paint to look for the hull number).
We got the boat from a guy named Ron Henson this summer. He is the one who purchased the braces from WD Schock. He owned the boat for about a year.
What we have are a couple of teak boards (1 inch x 1/2 inch x about 1.5 feet) with an L brackets at one end. Then there's a bag of (1/4 inch?) machine screws. Four screws are about 1 inch long, and the other two are about 2.5 inches.
Some questions that come to mind: What is the recommended procedure for drilling the holes in the right places? Why are they machine screws (do they need nuts)? What are the two long screws for? Doesn't look like they are necessary for the seat-side and too long for the centerboard side...
They don't really look like any of the pictures at the bottom of the email. I suppose some pictures from me are in order? :-)
Regards,
Caleb
2012/9/12 Dave Carroll <lido...@roadrunner.com>
Caleb;
Your question was forwarded to me by Alexander.
I’m in need of more information. Are you a member of the Class?
What is your Hull #? Who did you get the boat from? (maybe I made the braces)
Where are they supposed to go?
1. Hiking straps?
2. Replacement knees?
3. Other?
Dave Carroll,
Chief Measurer
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Best regards,
Jim Mackey
(425) 449-0070 (mobile)
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Best regards,
Jim Mackey
(425) 449-0070 (mobile)
Jim Mackey
Hi Jim,Ok, just found out our schedule for the weekend. Saturday is booked, but Sunday afternoon will be fine. I could plan to be at the boat ramp sometime between 1-1:30pm. I’d probably need to leave sometime before 5:30pm.The Vasa website says the boat ramp is temporarily closed for repairs at the moment, but perhaps it will be open Sunday.We’ve actually done some sailing with our Lido. Got it July, took it on vacation in August to Mutiny Bay on Whidbey Island. That’s about the extent of my experience except for some sailing in an El Toro several times in the past few years, so it will be a fun learning experience.Thanks for the offer of a tow. The Lido we bought actually came with a 2.5 HP Suzuki so we could just meet you there and follow you to the place where we want to sail.I’ll be bringing along some of my family too.
