Block 4?

[Mike Adamz]

2012..

1998 or earlier (edited 2011)

LOCAL BLOCK GOVERNMENT:

The ideas, reasons for and how to for a local block/neighborhood government.

The idea of a block or neighborhood governmental body is not new, going back to before the days of the manor and tun and like bodies.  Some more democratic than others, and some having more powers than others.  After all what is a self-sufficient community?  A local neighborhood/apartment complex or hi-rise can be just as a community and government as a small colony in Virginia or Massachusetts was.

The basic idea of a local block government is:

1) To give local people a say in the day to day government of their local community.
2) To see how the wheels of power work from a local perspective.
3) To bring the city government closer to home, more responsive to the local peoples needs and saying.
4) A feeling of self/local control over how things are done.
5) Common defense against a wide variety of criminal elements.
6) To bring about community ownership of their dwellings and bring about changes as needed and not as some absent landlord wishes it to be.

How this is done:
1) First off is to have communications between members of a community block and this means to be safe from fear.
Or driven by fear, a need to do something, hopefully not violent.
2) Forming a Neighborhood watch is a major step along a long road, but the end results will be wonderful.  Local Neighborhood Watch (NW) acts as a local block element of defense and law enforcement, local law as well as city, borough, county, state, an federal law.  But first off local law.  Basically the neighborhood watch is a local police auxiliary and fits with in the traditional Militia/Fyrd ideals.  The NW is the members of the community doing what ever they can do for the community to fight against any form of invasion of the community, to bring to justice those in the community or from outside the community that need to be brought to justice.  To stop being a lamb to slaughter and to take an active part in the communities protection, safety and freedom to do what the community people wish to do.

Namely the freedom from fear.  The NW in the new government structure will become the communities law enforcement and the militia arm of the local block/complex government.  Any law enforcement and militia/military structure must be under civil control, and for this NW, a local block/neighborhood government is necessary to make sure the NW does not become as bad as the elements they are supposed to protect the community from.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE:

In a hi-rise for example, each floor would have a Floor Manager/Reeve, who in concert with other Floor Reeves and the Building Manager/Reeve would do the day to day governing (with comments and review by the citizenry of the building).  Normally I like the idea of each floor electing its representative.  And the building manager being elected by the people of the building in mass.

THE BUILDING COUNCIL:

Made up of the Building Reeve and the Floor Reeves.
Supported by select personnel who though not part of the building council do play a part in the councils business and the maintenance and upkeep of the building of which they are empowered to govern.
The Building Clerk: Charged to maintain the building records.
The Building Treasurer: Charged to maintain the building finances.
The Chief of the Fyrd: Charged to keep the peace as well as law and order, leading the security forces and fyrd of the building as needed and directed by the laws of the building.
Chief Judge of the Building: Charged to judge those who need to be judged in matters relating to the health, safety and welfare of the building.

BASIC GOALS:

Bring about local government by locals getting involved and forcing city government to recognize the local block gov as a viable tier of city government, better able to deal with and collect local taxes and provide police and local more responsive justice.

HOW TO INCORPORATE THE GOV:
First major step is to thru legal means, acquire the apartments/lands that make up the local neighborhood, to include declaring the land abandoned by its "owners"  and therefore open for local purchase/eminent domain, salvage laws and like laws.

Once the first apartment complex is taken over by its one time tenants, they are to form a governing body, to control the cash flow, rents, utilities and like, similar to a condo association.  But with each Tenant (lease holder) having a share in the incorporated building tenants associations Inc.  The governing body is to use the money collected from rents and other means, to pay for the upkeep/maintenance of the building complex, the utilities, contractors and wages for workers (possible money off rent for work done is possible).  Each tenant household has voting stock shares of the en-corporated body of the Building Association, and as such as the power to vote on issues such as:

Election of, removal of the Reeves.
Changes in the relationship between the tenants and their elected officials.
Expelling unwanted members, namely to throw out the criminal elements of the community.

The Council has the below powers:
To negotiate contracts with outside government, the collect fees, to expel members, and to act for all purposes as a local city government to include local civil/criminal court (minor offenses).
One part of the tenant contract is the giving over to the building council the right to expel unruly/criminal tenants with due cause and trial.
Also one part is also that tenants can not sell their shares unless the sale is approved by the building council (to keep unwanted external elements out of the complex).

Tenants who are of legal age are voting members of the corporate body called the Block Government and as such are eligible to vote, serve the community, militia service and other tasks as needed.

GOALS:

The Governing Body is to make the apartment complex a safe and livable place to live.  To form a Neighborhood/Block Watch from the tenants to act as an auxiliary to the local police force.  To provide for equitable treatment of all tenants.  To screen new tenants.  To act as the tenants representatives to the City Government.  Also to bring into the apartment complex those services directed by the tenant membership, include possible connivance store and like businesses on the first floor..  Also to remove unwanted tenants or unwanted elements (criminal namely).

Delegating powers, how to get the powers (directors) in, and how to get them out, what powers they have, and what powers does the body politic have to remove, change, override them.

Board of Directors:
In a hi-rise apartment complex it maybe different, one Director per floor (Floor Manager), who job is to maintain the peace, maintenance and well being of the floor and the people on it, and to work with the other floor managers as well as the building manager to provide what is necessary for a efficient and fair/just house management.

Floor Reeve: Individual elected by the voting members of the floor the Reeve represents, to act as their representative to the building council.

Responsibilities: To give the members of their floor good and fair representation in the tun/building council.
Tun Reeve: Individuals elected by the floor reeves to represent the building/tun to the either block council or the city council.

Building Fyrd: A combined law enforcement and also in times of emergency a militia, styled for the protection of the building and its inhabitants.  All residents are members of the fyrd in what ever compactly they can be used in.

Officers and NCOs having to be voting members.

Head of the Fyrd acts as the Sergeant at Arms of the Building Council meetings.

Building Council:
Made up of the Building Reeve and the Floor Reeves, it controls (or delimitates) the representation to the city council and its representative.  Also provides for quick and just law and court cases of building members (members do not have to go to the Building Council if they do not wish to).

To find cash sources, to collect building fees/rents and debts/charges (taxes?).
To act as the organizer of the building Fyrd.
To keep the building maintained and utilities paid.
To provide safe law enforcement/security of members.
To expel any unwanted tenants and to find wanted tenants.
To give fair and just government to the members of the building.
To provide services that the individual tenants could not do themselves.
Voting members of the community are the final court of local appeals.  If a majority of the voting tenants vote for expulsion of an unwanted tenants, then the tenant is evicted as per local laws.

Maintenance: Would be directed by the local government, and contracts given out as need of members, money and time becomes available.  Possible is to have people work off their rent for maintenance and new works.

(Also have ideas on how to form a Civil Action Group > precursor to a political party or a guerilla movement?)

(those who advocate violence, likely have never experienced it, or too much of it, or are working for arms dealers, morticians or working as an agent provocateur for someone).
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(And this goes especially for villages and like, or as the stock market goes down, so does Doyon and like stock? as well as less money for Grants and like that sounds like some corps in the villages live off of, that goes away (the grants).

Self government and reservation station as an "Indian Nation" or what? How much of the produce and products that the villages depend on, is subsidized?

Such as medicines? Fuel? Food? and what else?

ANLClaims how far down the totem pole of laws, or will it be cast aside for national interests?

Like I told a gal in Bethel, about how to maintain the old ways, and their depenence on Federal Grants, and how that goes away when the Feds need oil/gas/gold and like that is on "Native Lands".. How fast did the Cherokeee find out how much the word of the Fed was, when the Feds found out there was Gold on Cherokee lands, and the trail of tears the result, and the guerilla war for decades in NC that happened as well.

See LOCAL BLOCK GOVERNMENT: below.

Mike

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As the economy goes south, how will we the common people deal with things? Less cash in the economy, jobs going away, more taxes but less responses?

Maybe some sort of public works, to rebuild the decaying infrastructure (hiways and like for example). We spent billions in today dollars to build the interstates to give good flow of goods/materials for commerce but also for military means.

Print more money or .... jobs and people going over seas? More local businesses? Ship things costs how much, why not just do it locally?

Alaska we have a problem in that most of our jobs are based on outside concerns.

Military/Federal
Oil/Gas/Coal
Mineral - Lead, Gold, Coal
Fishing (most out of Seattle)
Tourism

and not much real local industry, so as the big companies goes, so goes the state. Or we like to be like Kentucky when the Coal mines closed down, or Pennsylvania when the Steel Mills closed down? Or like Wisconsin/Michigan when the Car industry closed down or is closing down.

Sustainable jobs, but most jobs here are transitory or based on the above industries and they go when the workers go. Or how many during the Oil Pipeline era are still here, most moved back to Tex/Arkana, or on to other oil/gas fields liek they are often to do.. Oil/Gas people are often very migratory.

1998 or earlier (more like 1930s and earlier).

The ideas is as the economy goes down, that we the people who rent and such, have a right for good housing and if our land lord decides to become an absentee landlord, that we have the right to take over the apartment complex, or have some other ways to pay for rent than just cash.. Why should we pay taxes and rent, when we get nothing in return, or nothing to a standard of living. Why pay taxes when you do not get sewer/water/electricity/fire/ems/police and like? Same goes for  Rent to a absent landlord? They have abandoned the property, why can we not take it over as a new corporate body and there for make changes and repairs and our lives better? Maybe in exchange for rent and like?
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LOCAL BLOCK GOVERNMENT:

The ideas, reasons for and how to for a local block/neighborhood government.

The idea of a block or neighborhood governmental body is not new, going back to before the days of the manor and tun and like bodies. Some more democratic than others, and some having more powers than others. After all what is a self-sufficient community? A local neighborhood/apartment complex or hi-rise can be just as a community and government as a small colony in Virginia or Massecheusetts was.

The basic idea of a local block government is:
To give local people a say in the day to day government of their local community. To see how the wheels of power work from a local perspective. To bring the city government closer to home, more responsive to  the local peoples needs and saying. A feeling of self/local control over how things are done. Common defense against a wide variety of criminal elements. To bring about community ownership of their dwellings and bring about changes as needed and not as some absent landlord wishes it to be.

How this is to be done:

First off is to have communications between members of a community block and this means to be safe from fear. Or driven by fear, a need to so something, hopefully not violent.

Forming a Neighborhood watch is a major step along a long road, but the end results will be wonderful.

Local Neighborhood Watch (NW) acts as a local block element of defense and law enforcement, local law as well as city, borough, county, state, an federal law. But first off local law. Basically the neighborhood watch is a local police auxillary and fits with in the traditional Militia/Fyrd ideals. The NW is the members of the community doing what ever they can do for the community to fight against any form of invasion of the community, to bring to justice those in the community or from outside the community that need to be brought to justice. To stop being a lamb to slaughter and to take an active part in the communities protection, safety and freedom to do what the
communtity people wish to do. Namely the freedom from fear.

The NW in the new government structure will become the communities law enforcement and the militia arm of the local block/complex government.

Any law enforcement and militia/military structure must be under civil control, and for this NW, a local block/neighborhood government is necessary to make sure the NW does not become as bad as the elements they are supposed to protect the community from.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE:
In a hi-rise for example, each floor would have a Floor Manager/Reeve, who in concert with other Floor Reeves and the Building  Manager/Reeve would do the day to day governing (with comments and review by the
citizenry of the building). Normally I like the idea of each  floor electing its representative. And the building manager being  elected by the people of the building enmass.

The Building Council:
Made up of the Building Reeve and the Floor Reeves.

Supported by select personnel who though not part of the building council do play a part in the councils business and the
maintenance and upkeep of the building of which they are empowered to govern.
The Building Clerk: Charged to maintain the building records.
The Building Treasurer: Charged to maintain the building finances.
The Chief of the Fyrd: Charged to keep the peace as well as law and order, leading the security forces and fyrd of the building as needed
and directed by the laws of the building.
Chief Judge of the Building: Charged to judge those who need to be judged in matters relating to the health, safety and welfare of the building.

BASIC GOALS:
Bring about local government by locals getting involved and  forcing city government to recognize the local block gov as a viable  tier of city government, better able to deal with and collect local  taxes and provide police and local more responsive justice.

HOW TO INCORPORATE THE GOV:
First major step is to thru legal means, acquire the apartments/lands that make up the local neighborhood, to include declaring the  la
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[Mike DiBaggio]

I don't particularly care for the democratic aspects of any of this, particularly on a building by building basis, but to each their own. You may very well see organizations like this in a polycentric legal order or a voluntaryist-anarchist system. Hans Herman Hoppe talks about private covenant communities a lot - micro governments based off of contractual home owners associations, essentially. Also, plans like these have come up before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mailer#Mayoral_campaign

"In 1969, at the suggestion of Gloria Steinem,^[21] his friend the political essayist Noel Parmentel and others, he ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic Party primary for Mayor of New York City, allied with columnist Jimmy Breslin (who ran for City Council President), proposing the creation a 51st state through New York City secession.^[22] Although Mailer took stands on a wide range of issues, from opposing "compulsory fluoridation of the water supply" to advocating the release of Black Panther Party leader Huey Newton, decentralization was the overriding issue of the campaign.^[22] Mailer "foresaw the city, its independence secured, splintering into townships and neighborhoods, with their own school systems, police departments, housing programs, and governing philosophies."^[23] Their slogan was "throw the rascals in". Mailer was endorsed by libertarian economist Murray Rothbard, who "believed that 'smashing the urban government apparatus and fragmenting it into a myriad of constituent fragments' offered the only answer to the ills plaguing American cities," and called Mailer's campaign “the most refreshing libertarian political campaign in decades.”^[22][23] He came in fourth in a field of five.^[24] Looking back on the campaign, journalist and historian Theodore White called it "one of the most serious campaigns run in the United States in the last five years. . . . [H]is campaign was considered and thoughtful, the beginning of an attempt to apply ideas to a political situation."^[23]"

[Abrigon]

ruled got to feel they have some say in things or just tired of paying
money for crap..

absent landlord/corporation and lack of real control of thing.

Or ways and means to pay rent with out cash/money source..

More laters..

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[Mike Adams]

When I wrote it, and edited it.

Was going for how come many inner city projects have the problems them have. some seems to be clientele and their ability to pay for thing, but also absentee landlords and does the tenants have a right or can they sue for ownership of the properties, due to the owner being absent/slum lord or like?

 

Since they are paying rent for something but not getting it, then do they have a right or means to change the owner or sue them fro redress and even take over or set thins up not as owners but as controllers of the property or a neighborhood watch or other means to deal with thigns locallyh and not have to deal with a landlord/owner of the rental property that obviously does not care to keep up to standards, and as such is is obviously ABANDONEDED and there for the tenants can as seperate from being tenants, form a corporation and take over the abadoned property and run it?

 

Share holders and such..

 

Mike

[Mike DiBaggio]

In the case that the property is actually abandoned, then I'd say they ought to have squatting rights to it. My objection was to renters trying to dictate conditions to an owner who hadn't abandoned the property, or to force other tenants to live by rules they hadn't agreed to when signing the rent contract.

I am not opposed to such decentralized systems of government, and in fact I favor them. I just want them to be non-coercive.

[Mike Adams]

I agree some of my wording is a bit YOU" WILL Do..

[Mike Adams]

true.. ditch not take over..

 

Or take over an o bviously abandoned property, sort of reverse eminent domain?

 

Mike

 

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[Mike DiBaggio]

Until recently, nearly every jurisdiction in the US acknowledged the idea of homesteading of abandoned property and recognized things like squatter's rights and adverse possession.

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[Mike Adamz]

So its not something new.
For tenants to take over property that has been abandoned or ??? Why pay rent when the rent is not going to up keep of the property?

Mike

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[Mike Adams]

Why the changes, or to many over seas owners nwo?

 

Mike

 

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[Mike Adams]

So what happened to it all, or ...

 

I know when Alaska became a state, they took away the ownership of all subsurface mineral rights, all you own in the surface and access to things from your surface, but ..

 

Mike

 

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[Mike Adams]

Just trying to explore some ideas of how to get people up and out and off their asses and ... or better ways to tell people to shut up or do something..

 

Mike

 

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[Mike Adams]

Now days how much of those properties goes to Not For profits, or charities or more like Corporations that are buddies with the city/county governments?

 

Mike

 

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[Mike Adams]

I know in Portland the Mayor is trying to get some sort of compensation or something for tearing buildings down.

 

Not sure if they have been abandoned or foreclosed or what?

 

I suggested that if the building has been abandoned or foreclosed on and especially if no one else is buying it, to open the building to being renovated and remodeled by the local homeless, and its to pay the rent for them to do work in kind?

[Mike DiBaggio]

Adverse possession used to occur after a few years of abandonment...maybe five or six. Now, in most states, it's run up to 15, even 20 years before someone can just move in and take it. By that time, the structure is often confiscated due to non-payment of taxes, or demolished due to being 'unsafe', or falls into such severe disrepair it would cost more to fix it than just knock it down and start over. This is insane. Frankly, I don't see any reason why a property shouldn't be considered abandoned after a couple of years.

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[Mike Adams]

I know in Portland the Mayor is trying to get some sort of compensation or something for tearing buildings down.

 

Not sure if they have been abandoned or foreclosed or what?

 

I suggested that if the building has been abandoned or foreclosed on and especially if no one else is buying it, to open the building to being renovated and remodeled by the local homeless, and its to pay the rent for them to do work in kind?

 

Mike

 

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I agree some of my wording is a bit YOU" WILL Do..

 

Mike

 

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In the case that the property is actually abandoned, then I'd say they ought to have squatting rights to it. My objection was to renters trying to dictate conditions to an owner who hadn't abandoned the property, or to force other tenants to live by rules they hadn't agreed to when signing the rent contract.

I am not opposed to such decentralized systems of government, and in fact I favor them. I just want them to be non-coercive.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Mike Adams <abr...@gmail.com> wrote:

When I wrote it, and edited it.

Was going for how come many inner city projects have the problems them have. some seems to be clientele and their ability to pay for thing, but also absentee landlords and does the tenants have a right or can they sue for ownership of the properties, due to the owner being absent/slum lord or like?

 

Since they are paying rent for something but not getting it, then do they have a right or means to change the owner or sue them fro redress and even take over or set thins up not as owners but as controllers of the property or a neighborhood watch or other means to deal with things locally and not have to deal with a landlord/owner of the rental property that obviously does not care to keep up to standards, and as such is obviously ABANDONEDED and there for the tenants can as separate from being tenants, form a corporation and take over the abandoned property and run it?

[Mike Adams]

The concept is that the housing project has been abandoned or in an extreme case the projects have go to hell cause the landlord only shows up to collect rent and the rest of the time the buildings go bad.. Abandoned or Foreclosed or even confiscated for legal issues (meth lab or worse?).

 

Mike

 

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[Mike Adams]

And yes, especially with the high price of real estate and not just the building and the materials that they make buildings out of now days, they come down or decay rather quickly. Designed obsolescence to a new way?

 

But I do think that building that have been foreclosed and like on, should be put to some use?

 

Mike

 

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[Mike Adams]

The idea is that the owner is a slum lord and has for all purposes abandoned it, or at least most of it.

 

There for when you pay rent, but not when you need things like maintenance and like.

 

So how go find a compromise or ..Solution or a threat to the slum lord so they find they best repair/provide services that tenants expect or are promised or its implied in being a tenant, or they will lose the housing complex or the tenants will find some ways to fix things and then expect something off their rent, so instead of their full rent, they do maintenance and the landlord takes the labor off the rent?

 

Mike

 

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