Scouts & Hitler Youth: both touted swastikas and National Socialism !?!

[Tinny Ray]

Scouts used the swastika as a symbol. It acquired the alphabetic
symbolism of "Scout Submission" and the concept of self-sacrifice
(even the ultimate self-sacrifice) because it represented a cross.
http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html

It is important to note that the Nazis did not call their symbols a
"swastika," but called it a "Hakenkreuz," which means "hooked cross."
Altough it was an ancient symbol, the hooked-cross was also used to
represent crossed S-letter for "socialism" under the National
Socialist German Workers Party, as shown in the work of the historian
Dr. Rex Curry (author of "Swastika Secrets"). http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html

Below is a somewhat ominous piece that pre-dates the National
Socialist German Workers' Party, Baden-Powell gives an etymological
meaning to the swastika that is different from the popular modern idea
that it means "well being" or "good luck." According to Baden-
Powell's first comments, the swastika meant "Obedience or Submission,
the different arms of the cross being in reality legs in the attitude
of kneeling." Thus, Baden-Powell also recognizes the swastika as a
type of cross with religious significance.

Baden-Powell also referenced Norsemen, Greeks, and myths about
Atlantis. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html#BOY_SCOUTS_SWASTIKA

"The Swastika" From Baden-Powell, What Scouts Can Do: More Yarns
(1921):

"On the stole of an ancient bishop of Winchester, Edyndon, who died in
1366, is the Swastika or Scouts' Thanks Badge. It was at that time
called the " Fylfot," and was said to represent Obedience or
Submission, the different arms of the cross being in reality legs in
the attitude of kneeling.

But as you know from the account of the Swastika Thanks Badge which I
have given you in Scouting for Boys, this symbol was used in almost
every part of the world in ancient days, and therefore has various
meanings given to it. http://rexcurry.net/scouting-boy-scouts-girl-scouts-nazi-scouts.jpg
and http://rexcurry.net/scouts-swastika-thanks-badge-scouting.gif

It has been found engraved on weapons belonging to the Norsemen. It
was also engraved on the spindles used by the ancient Greeks in their-
weaving at Troy.

In India rice is spread on the ground in the form of the Swastika at
the baptism of a baby boy to bring him luck.

The Indians in North America use it as an ornament, and it has been
found engraved on ancient pottery in Peru.

How it got from one country to another, separated as they are by
oceans, it is difficult to guess, but some people who say they know
all about these things, affirm that there was once a great continent
where now there is the Atlantic Ocean, but it went under the sea in an
earthquake.

This continent was called Atlantis, and joined up Europe with America.

It was supposed to have four vast rivers running from a central
mountain in different directions—North, East, South, and West—and the
Swastika is merely a map of Atlantis showing those four rivers rising
from the same center. "

In the book "The Boy-Man: The Life of Lord Baden-Powell" (1990 New
York: Morrow) the author Tim Jeal argues that Baden-Powell's distrust
of Soviet socialism in the USSR led to his implicit support, through
naïveté, of German socialism under the National Socialist German
Workers Party. In 1939 Baden-Powell noted in his diary: "Lay up all
day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education,
health, propaganda, organization etc.—and ideals which Hitler does not
practise himself." (p. 550). The word "Nazi" never appears in Mein
Kampf. The word fascism appears twice and never as a self-description
in Mein Kampf. The term "National Socialism" and its variations appear
throughout in describing ideas on education, health, propaganda,
organization etc.

According to his biographer Rosenthal, Baden-Powell used the swastika
because he was a sympathizer with the National Socialist German
Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

Jeal, however, argues that Baden-Powell was ignorant of the symbol's
growing association with National Socialism and Military Socialism and
Christian socialism. Yet, Baden-Powell used military-style uniforms
and other military imitations in Scouting. Baden-Powell related the
swastika to the hooked-cross (hakenkreuz) and Christian socialism when
he said that the swastika meant "Obedience or Submission, the
different arms of the cross being in reality legs in the attitude of
kneeling." Jeal maintains that Baden-Powell's use of the symbol
related to its other meaning of "good luck" in Sanskrit, for which
purpose the symbol had been used for centuries prior to its modern use
by socialists as overlapping S-letters for "Socialism." However, that
concept of "good luck" was part of the inspiration that motivated
other socialists in the use of the hooked-cross, while adding the
concept of crossed S-letters for "socialism." That concept was shared
by Christian socialists in their use of another cross, the non-hooked
cross, for "good luck." http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html