This is still one of the things that i cannot understand. Why were the Torah and bible revealed before the quran? In the past, were they essentially the same thing revealed for different people? Were the original torah and bible islamic texts?
For each] community [among you We had appointed a code [of law] and a path, and had Allah wished He would have made you one community, but] His purposes required [that He should test you in respect to what He has given you. So take the lead in all good works. (5:48)
So here's my question: where in the Qur'an and hadith does it say the previous books are corrupted or shouldn't be followed anymore? We read in Surah 3:3, that the Qur'an verifies the Taurat and Injil. I am convinced that the Torah we have today is the same that existed when this ayat was revealed.
O Messenger, let them not grieve thee that vie with one another in unbelief, such men as say with their mouths 'We believe' but their hearts believe not; and the Jews who listen to falsehood, listen to other folk, who have not come to thee, perverting words from their meanings, saying, 'If you are given this, then take it; if you are not given it, beware!' Whomsoever God desires to try, thou canst not avail him anything with God. Those are they whose hearts God desired not to purify; for them is degradation in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement; (41)
who listen to falsehood, and consume the unlawful. If they come to thee, judge thou between them, or turn away from them; if thou turnest away from them, they will hurt thee nothing; and if thou judgest, judge justly between them; God loves the just. (42)
Surely We sent down the Torah, wherein is guidance and light; thereby the Prophets who had surrendered themselves gave judgment for those of Jewry, as did the masters and the rabbis, following such portion of God's Book as they were given to keep and were witnesses to. So fear not men, but fear you Me; and sell not My signs for a little price. Whoso judges not according to what God has sent down - they are the unbelievers.(44)
And therein We prescribed for them: 'A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds retaliation'; but whosoever forgoes it as a freewill offering, that shall be for him an expiation. Whoso judges not according to what God has sent down -- they are the evildoers. (45)
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus son of Mary, confirming the Torah before him and We gave to him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition unto the godfearing. (46)
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book that was before it, and assuring it. So judge between them according to what God has sent down, and do not follow their caprices, to forsake the truth that has come to thee. To every one of you We have appointed a right way and an open road. If God had willed, He would have made you one nation; but that He may try you in what has come to you. So be you forward in good works; unto God shall you return, all together; and He will tell you of that whereon you were at variance. (48)
And judge between them according to what God has sent down, and do not follow their caprices, and beware of them lest they tempt thee away from any of what God has sent down to thee. But if they turn their backs, know that God desires only to smite them for some sin they have committed; surely, many men are ungodly. (49)
Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?
Allah made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel and We raised among them twelve chieftains, and Allah said: Lo! I am with you. If ye establish worship and pay the poor-due, and believe in My messengers and support them, and lend unto Allah a kindly loan, surely I shall remit your sins, and surely I shall bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow. Whoso among you disbelieveth after this will go astray from a plain road.
And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.
However, I think Sunnis have a hadeeth in which Muhammad came over to a Jewish worship house (it could have been a beth deen) and he puts his hands over the torah and says "I believe in you/the one who sent you" or something to that affect (I think its grade was weak), but don't quote me.
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
Quote: (Your verse):--- 47 Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.
It's instructing Muslims to allow Christians (ahlel injeel, ie people of the Gospels) to judge what the gospels say, even though they are "supposedly" corrupted.
Response: --- Since Gabriel confirmed that the former Scriptures were true in 3:3-4, and 5:47-48, then it is only critics that talk of corruption, because there was no change in Scripture, was there?
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These stories in bible confirm the Muslims understanding that the corruption that is mentioned in Quran about the bible was on many levels but it reached to the level of making up words. Is is translation error? I don't know but i do know that the above narrations are contradictory to Islamic teachings regarding the prophets.
There three historic figures are written about in the Quran. --- The OT records not only the good, but the sinful and the distasteful, --- but these are the former Scriptures that Gabriel confirmed as true in the Quran, are they not?
I believe that in saying Gabriel confirmed it, then God, who gave it to Gabriel would also have confirmed it, to have it recorded in the original Scripture, and Muhammad then would have confirmed it as true in the writing of the Quran.
Quote: These stories in bible confirm the Muslims understanding that the corruption that is mentioned in Quran about the bible was on many levels but it reached to the level of making up words. Is is translation error? I don't know but i do know that the above narrations are contradictory to Islamic teachings regarding the prophets.
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