Peter Theremin Plays SPELLBOUND

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Peter Pringle

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Feb 13, 2014, 2:18:54 PM2/13/14
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Peter Theremin in concert playing, among other things, the theme from SPELLBOUND. I only listened to the first part of this video because the intonation was so bad I couldn't stand it anymore!


As long as the theremin is represented on the international stage by playing of this caliber, the instrument will never be taken seriously. I think it's laudable to be supportive, and kind to applaud everyone's efforts with love and goodwill, but at some point somebody's got to stand up and point out that the emperor is NAKED.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqmkA5rDPCU

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Feb 13, 2014, 2:24:17 PM2/13/14
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I can't bear bad intonation in a theremin or a voice. My own included.

Sarah


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Martin E. G. Anhalt

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Feb 13, 2014, 3:43:04 PM2/13/14
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I thought the Theremin family only approved classical repertoire?!

Martin E. G. Anhalt

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Feb 13, 2014, 3:46:48 PM2/13/14
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A bad intonation was had by all, methinks. (except the piano, which just hit wrong notes from time to time...)

Isn't this particular arrangement by Lydia Kavina? (Though I have also seen it attributed to Lucie Rosen)


Amethyste

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Feb 13, 2014, 5:26:46 PM2/13/14
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According to what I have been told: 
Classical repertoire played on theremin = yes
Classical repertoire played on theremin WITH artificial reverb = an insult to the inventor himself.

Joey Aguilera

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Feb 13, 2014, 5:27:44 PM2/13/14
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Hi Guys,

I'm new (been lurking for a while) and some of you guys scare me so that's why I haven't introduced myself yet but I thought the reaction of the audience member at 4:00 was priceless -- anybody else catch that =)

Joey

Amethyste

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Feb 13, 2014, 5:31:12 PM2/13/14
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Peter T.

You have fingers? Why don't you use them to reach the notes rather than moving your whole arm? It would probably lead to better note accuracy and a less "stiff" performance.

Secondly, am I the only one who actually thought that even the strings were somewhat off pitch?

Amethyste

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Feb 13, 2014, 5:32:35 PM2/13/14
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Joey ~ oh my!! at 4:04? Oye.... 

Charlie Draper

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Feb 13, 2014, 6:52:14 PM2/13/14
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In my opinion the real culprit is not the player but rather the arrangement, which transforms what ought to be a deliciously extravagant piano concerto (cast after Rachmaninov and Addinsell) into a sort of theremin-karaoke. I have never much liked this arrangement of the piece and am very much of the opinion that the Spellbound Concerto should only ever be played by a gargantuan film orchestra, with the theremin (if it appears at all) taking a backseat role. This makes its appearance in the "madness" theme all the more striking. It is supposed to be a special effect.

My absolute favourite arrangement of the concerto is that which Rózsa himself wrote in 1984 for two pianos and orchestra, the Spellbound Concerto Fantasie. A recording appears on the Centenary Celebration (2007) CD, played Joshua Piece and Dorothy Jonas with the Utah Symphony Orchestra. It is spectacular. Though the theremin is replaced by a keyboard instrument (perhaps an Ondes Martenot?), this at least plays all the right notes at the right time!

C.

David Curtis

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Feb 13, 2014, 7:39:19 PM2/13/14
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So, no one here appreciates the Golden Smog?
 
 
And before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, yes, it should be 'Velvet Fog'.
 


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theremin137

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Feb 13, 2014, 8:58:45 PM2/13/14
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The entire arrangement is screwy, especially with the theremin. The VERY reason Rózsa chose the theremin was because its eerie, nervous quality made it perfect for the "Dementia" theme. In this arrangement, the theremin is playing the "Love" theme, and the "Dementia" theme has been completely eliminated.

To say nothing of the fact that the orchestra sounds like the reincarnation of the Portsmouth Sinfonia.

Peter Pringle

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Feb 14, 2014, 6:54:55 AM2/14/14
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Amey wrote:  "Peter T.....You have fingers? Why don't you use them to reach the notes rather than moving your whole arm? It would probably lead to better note accuracy and a less "stiff" performance....."


Amey! I'm surprised at you! Criticizing a MASTER thereminist!


Oh.....you don't think Peter Theremin is a master thereminist? Well I can prove it to you. Here he is giving a MASTER CLASS (Мастер Класс Петра Термена = Peter Theremin's master class).


A "master class" is defined as a class in any discipline (usually artistic) given by a master or expert in that particular field.


Peter Theremin definitely has a certain charm on stage. He looks great and he expresses himself well (he is also dressing more neatly than he used to). Making a living in Mother Russia is a challenge for many people and Peter is eminently qualified to lecture on the history and development of his great grandfather's instrument. What he has failed to realize is that by attempting to pass himself off as a master thereminist, he discredits the very instrument he is trying to promote.


http://youtu.be/GoKn2WhZMSY

Thierry Frenkel

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Feb 14, 2014, 8:14:55 AM2/14/14
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O tempora, o mores...

Amethyste

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Feb 14, 2014, 9:37:21 AM2/14/14
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PP,
My observations come from someone who "knows close to nothing" really, so this being said ~ my words should be taken lightly.
It was sort of obvious to me that his method of playing is totally inefficient. It is easier to use fingers to reach notes (and to correct an over or under pitch) than a whole arm. Anyway ~ what do I know? 
 
I remember a while back asking Peter T. If he was really giving theremin master classes, I was surprised when he said he actually did. I certainly wouldn't change my method of playing to adapt to his. Anyhoo...

Peter Pringle

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Feb 14, 2014, 9:50:41 AM2/14/14
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Thierry wrote in impeccable Latin: ".....o tempora, o mores.."



I reply in questionable English: ex tempora....o moron!

Lawrence P Kaster

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Feb 14, 2014, 10:19:34 AM2/14/14
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"In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" D. Erasmus


I remember a chilling HG Wells short story that dealt with this topic:
 _The Land of the Blind_

LPKaster

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Martin E. G. Anhalt

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Feb 14, 2014, 3:14:33 PM2/14/14
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Charlie,

this SPELLBOUND SUITE, though sometimes called "concerto" is NOT an arrangement of the Spellbound Concerto, but an arrangement of themes from the film score. It has little in common with the Spellbound Concerto except the opening. It was (as well) created in 1946 (one year after the film, disregard my prior comment), if I remember correctly, for Lucie Rosen, as a companion piece for Martinu's "Fantasy", so it uses the same intruments (string quartet, piano, oboe, and theremin).

You are of course right in that the theremin in the film score is associated with the Dementia theme and sounds misplaced playing the love theme, but this suite was always intended as a showcase for the theremin.

The 1984 SPELLBOUND CONCERTO FANTASY indeed replaces the Theremin with an Ondes Martenot. I don't remember exactly why, but I think it was because there were no capable theremin players at that time. The Ondes gets more to play, though I find the 1984 version a it rambling, as it tries to incorporate even more secondary themes than the Concerto did.

Peter Pringle

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Feb 15, 2014, 6:57:21 AM2/15/14
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The idea of creating the SPELLBOUND CONCERTO was an attempt on the part of the ARA (American Recording Artists) label to turn the "Love Theme" from the film soundtrack into the kind of smash hit that the so-called WARSAW CONCERTO had been a few years earlier. 


As Charlie Draper pointed out, the piano theme for the 1941 British WW II film, DANGEROUS MOONLIGHT (written by British composer Richard Addinsell in a decidedly rachmaninovian style), was a huge success and ended up making more money than the movie for which it had been written.


Everyone wanted to capitalize on the tremendous, worldwide popularity of Rachmaninoff's CONCERTO #2 for piano and orchestra, written in 1900. It is one of the most popular and enduring pieces of music of the 20th century and it inspired an entire genre of filmscoring. There was a whole series of rather awful romantic "tabloid concertos"  - which are actually not concertos at all - written for movies in the mid-20th century. The SPELLBOUND CONCERTO is one of them.


"When we come to the concept of the avant garde or electronic music, I must say I don't understand it. It means nothing to me. Most of it is just sound effects." Miklos Rozsa

Martin E. G. Anhalt

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Feb 15, 2014, 8:46:07 AM2/15/14
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On Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:57:21 PM UTC+1, Peter Pringle wrote:
 
 There was a whole series of rather awful romantic "tabloid concertos"  - which are actually not concertos at all - written for movies in the mid-20th century.

Lawrence P Kaster

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Feb 15, 2014, 2:36:58 PM2/15/14
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Peter Sellers! "The World of Henry Orient". I remember this movie when it was on theaters. A side of beef on the bass drum!  This was Modernism at its pinnacle.

(Was that little Billy Mumy in pigtails?)


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Peter Pringle

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Feb 15, 2014, 7:59:01 PM2/15/14
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Here is an arrangement of the SPELLBOUND CONCERTO that someone just posted to YT. It is accompanied by paintings most of which look as if they came from the art department at Walmart.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0UKC2LLa1o

Rob Schwimmer

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Feb 15, 2014, 8:10:18 PM2/15/14
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The Spellbound Concerto just generally sucks... World's dullest piano part which does nothing for either the piece or the piano... I played it once (on theremin) w. Sara Davis Buechner who you know is going to kill it in the best way but the piano part is just stillborn... 

As I've said before I'm fine w. the theremin playing the heroic love theme at the end... Good arguments can certainly be made pro or con on this. 

Now here's a different version which will get as close to making this into an exciting "piano concerto" due in no small part that Earl Wild has revised the piano part (as well as playing the fuck out of what's there) and it's a lot shorter than the usual... I think

Earl Wild once called Lang Lang "the J. Lo of classical piano"

Peter Pringle

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Feb 16, 2014, 7:15:15 AM2/16/14
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Schwim wrote: The Spellbound Concerto just generally sucks... World's dullest piano part which does nothing for either the piece or the piano...



I agree. It is over-arranged, highly derivative, and generally "labored". And don't forget, the "love theme" was not originally conceived for a single piano but for duo pianists Rack and Eadie who, on the day of the recording of the original film soundtrack, were forced to play on two very out-of-tune pianos because it was midsummer in L.A., and it was so hot in the studio they had to open the windows and the whole place was like a pressure cooker.


As for the "Dementia Theme", it was a rip-off of the Stravinsky "Berceuse" from the FIREBIRD SUITE, which Mr. Rozsa had heard Clara Rockmore play in concert, in New York City. This was the piece that inspired Rozsa to use a theremin in the first place, and to invite Clara to come out to Hollywood to record it. As we all know, she was not available due to her concert schedule, so the job went to Samuel Hoffman.....and the rest is hysterical....I mean HISTORY....


Here is an mp3 comparing the Stravinsky BERCEUSE and the DEMENTIA THEME from SPELLBOUND. I'm surprised Igor Stravinsky didn't sue Rozsa for plagiarism!


http://www.peterpringle.com/music/stravrozsa.mp3

David Curtis

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Feb 16, 2014, 10:50:23 AM2/16/14
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For my money, the best of the film-piano-concerto works is Herrmann's diegetic concerto (according to the plot, composed by George Harvey Bone played by Laird Cregar) written for the 1945 film Hangover Square.

The surviving score and Hermann's sketches have been stitched together several times to produce variants if the work. Here is one (Buechner/Sedares/New Zealand SO/Koch International Classics/1996 I believe):


The concerto has also received an excellent analysis:

"Concerto Macabre" Lloyd Whitesell
The Musical Quarterly, Vol. 88, No. 2 (Summer, 2005), pp. 167-203





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Peter Pringle

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Feb 16, 2014, 12:29:14 PM2/16/14
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David Curtis wrote: ".....For my money, the best of the film-piano-concerto works is Herrmann's diegetic concerto (according to the plot, composed by George Harvey Bone played by Laird Cregar) written for the 1945 film Hangover Square."


Sounds like Sergei Prokofiev met Dimitri Shostakovich in the parking lot of the MGM Grand.


One of the things that seems to distinguish the great composers from the lesser denizens of the world of music (including most composers of film music) is their ability to sustain an idea and maintain its intensity for more than a minute or two. My problem with Bernard Herrmann's diegetic concerto ("le concerto indigeste" ??) is that after its initial promising thematic statement, it quickly poops out into the world of fluff and filler where writers of music for the screen spend much of their lives.


One of the film composers of the same era who did not suffer from this kind of musical dyspepsia, and whose work is generally able to stand on its own without the backup of the movie for which it was written, was the brilliant Erich Wolfgang Korngold.

David Curtis

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Feb 17, 2014, 8:40:05 AM2/17/14
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PP: Sounds like Sergei Prokofiev met Dimitri Shostakovich in the parking lot of the MGM Grand.

It is the modernist (if anachronistic in a Victorian setting) elements that elevate Herrmann's Concerto Macabre above its cloying faux-Tchaikovsky rivals. Given the context (i.e. pressed-for-time-we're-on-a-schedule-here-you-can-have-10-minutes-for-this-sequence movie music vs. laboured, completed, revised, well-rehearsed concert composition) I can't imagine the composer thought of it as a fully fledged concerto intended to stand on its own.

As for Korngold, his wonderful film scores remain influential and popular, especially the Star Wars bit:



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