Acca Resit Rules

[Damaris]

ShouldACCA like other institutes (for example ICAS) set a maximum number of resit attempts per subject, for example a maximum of 3 resits per subject. On this basis take F7 as an example should students be permitted a first attempt and then 3 resits maximum?

This could ensure the integrity of the qualification, and ensure a high standard of candidate to progress through each subject and finally to qualification. There would of course be an appeal process for candidates with circumstances that need to be considered.

The 10 year limit is there for a reason and soon there will be another time limit. So I honestly think that allowing unlimited resit opportunities, does not lower the overall standard of the qualification.

I think ACCA should limit the number of attempts per paper say to a maximum of three. Allowing unlimited resists lowers the overal quality of the qualification. Like someone pointed out, anyone can pass any paper if they keep on attempting it over and over again.

Although ACCA try to promote itself as a global, when the real fact is that, most of the first world countries (where they have strong accounting bodies) do not mutually recognise ACCA in the same way as they recognise ICAEW/ICAS. And these countries recognise ACCA; they also recognise others. In another word, ICAEW/ICAS is more reputed in terms of mutual recognition. (Sorry, I am not putting forward the idea that, ICAEW/ICAS is better than ACCA)

I think that, ACCA is well aware of the disadvantages of the above points for student, but for commercial reason, they deliberately introduced these. To me, ACCA opened the flood gate for skimming from these floods, in the form of exam fees and subscriptions, and to have presence in more countries (quantity over quality).

So, definitely I agree that, ACCA must think about this 10 years time limit for passing all subjects and number of attempts on a single subject. And also an independent body to verify these pass rates with actual marks student obtained in a paper.

If anyone has still has doubt why ACCA will not put any limit on the number of attempts per subjects or time limit to complete the whole qualifications or most importantly, put some criteria to limit the student intake (to better quality, if I can say so); please just compare the student numbers and the percentage of the revenue generation from these numbers.

I also think that, this policy is making a student lazy and not to take exams seriously (there are plenty points to support this arguments, but at this point, I just want to stick with this thread topic only). A simple fact that, although an employer looks for various skills in candidates, but certainly that employer will prefer to recruit someone who passed first time than who failed few times, if everything else same.

absolutely. 3 or 4 should be the maximum. you could train a monkey to pass a paper if they had unlimited chances. really devalues the qualification when i see people saying they are on their 8th attempt. im like jeeez if this person ever passes they are going to have the same qualification as me but not be of the same standard, in my opinion.

if i failed any subject more than 1 time i would have lost heart and given up. why not admire the brute determination of a person who keeps failing but keeps trying.you need people like that in any group be it acca or your local club.i am not making light of the situation but saying dogged determination is something that will never lower standard for anything

resitting numerous times doesnt show determination, it shows a failure to grasp only 50% of the (relatively) basic content and skills required to pass the exams. if someone finds it so hard to understand and apply the key accounting knowledge and skills then maybe they are not cut out to be an accountant?

I think you will find thats exactly how they train and qualify. They train on the job and undertake exams during the period as well to fully qualify, they definitely dont get unlimited resits and yes people get rejected \ ejected and never fully qualify.

I just took F8 and though I passed, after looking at the perfect answers I expected a much higher mark. If you had a marginal fail, you should be able to look at your paper see where you have failed and if you disagree have the right to appeal.

also it is unlikely that someone would pass eveyr F paper first time but then not be able to pass P papers within 3 attempts. maybe the ideal would be to have a maximum of 10 resits available across all papers or something, so that if someone struggles with only one paper, it doesnt mean they are dropped, and if someone has to resit every paper 3 or 4 times then they are dropped because it is clear they are not cut out for studying the ACCA.

A lot of people that do this qualification do so as adults whilst juggling with a full time job. Surely the best accountants are not those that can show they can pass exams, but those that are able to provide the best service to their clients?

Modern accountants cannot just be technically brilliant to succeed, we lead, we set examples, manage people, business partner within organisations or with clients. This comes with experience as well as the accademics. The way the ACCA qualification is sat means they should let people retake, as students will be from different backgrounds with different responsibilites

I personally think that if like me people are struggling with just 1 paper they will keep at it till they pass or give up (lets face it theres alot of people that after 7 attempts would have gone running for the hill) This in itself will weed out the people that are not meant to continue on the ACCA.

There are also reasons why people may fail (2 of my F8 papers were done when i had glandular fever and the other the day after being made redundant) These may not be taken into consideration when asking for a resit (certainly didnt help me when i wrote about my circumstances and still failed both attempts by 2 marks)

End-point assessment (EPA) tests the knowledge, skills and behaviours that an apprentice has gained during their training. Unique to each standard, EPA demonstrates the competence of an apprentice in their role. This competence is valued by current and future employers.

When the result notification recommends a re-take, the employer and training provider should consider a supportive action plan that responds to the weaknesses identified from the original EPA result notification.

The action plan should clearly state the nature and extent of the re-training and include the estimated time to prepare the apprentice for the retake. The timescales and fee for a retake must be agreed between the employer and EPAO.

Following failure of EPA, the EPAO will provide a result statement showing the assessment components the apprentice has failed and that no further training is needed. Some EPA plans set out specific criteria for resits which need to be followed.

For example, a training provider may contribute to the cost of a resit if the apprentice fails a theoretical element of the training. An EPAO may offer one or more resits in the initial contract price.

It is recommended that employers, training providers and EPAOs agree how any resits will be paid for at the beginning of their contract. Employers and training providers should also agree in advance who will pay for resits not included in their contract.

EPA is a vital part of an apprenticeship and should be planned for at the start of an apprenticeship programme. The apprenticeship funding rules explain how EPA is funded. Employers are responsible for deciding when their apprentices are ready to pass through gateway and take their EPA.

hold regular reviews throughout training with the training provider and the apprentice to assess their progression against the assessment plan and familiarise apprentices with assessment methods; this way the apprentice can be passed through gateway at the correct time

However, both the employer and training provider have a shared responsibility to decide whether the apprentice has demonstrated the knowledge, skills and behaviours required to be competent in their job role.

It is important to refer back to the assessment plan when approaching gateway to check that the apprentice is able to demonstrate all of the required knowledge, skills and behaviours and can do so in a live EPA.

Once the employer and training provider have discussed the relevant evidence and have agreed that the apprentice is ready to be assessed, the employer can pass them through gateway. Employers should give final confirmation to their chosen EPAO that the apprentice is ready to take their EPA.

Where there is a disagreement about whether the apprentice is ready to take their EPA, the employer and training provider should discuss whether additional training is appropriate and, if agreed, put this in place.

To provide an apprentice with the best chance of success, it is important that they do not pass through gateway until all parties agree that they are ready to take their EPA. By ensuring that apprentices are only passed through gateway when they are ready, employers will be less likely to incur resit costs.

Training providers are jointly responsible with the employer for keeping the apprentice on track with their off the job training. This will help to ensure that the apprentice is able to sit their EPA on the planned date.

By the time an apprentice reaches the planned gateway date, the employer and training provider should have a good idea whether the apprentice has demonstrated the knowledge, skills and behaviours required to be occupationally competent.

Regular progress checks during the training element of the apprenticeship will confirm that the apprentice is making progress so all parties should be clear that the apprentice is ready to go through gateway.

If an apprentice is not deemed to be ready to pass through gateway, the training provider should communicate with the employer regarding what additional training the apprentice needs. This should then be put into place to get the apprentice ready to pass through gateway and take their EPA.

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