Group B: erratio, virtualAdept, folkTheory, zaph, [jsalvatier]

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Hendy

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Apr 8, 2011, 1:58:27 PM4/8/11
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This is a place to hone in on specifics for *Group B* (if you're not
listed, check with the Group A discussion):
- erratio
- virtualAdept
- folkTheory
- zaph
- jsalvatier (if he shows up)

Please suggest a time frame (this week, within next three weeks,
etc.), a couple of weekend afternoons/evenings that work for you, and
ideas for the discussion.

I propose Skype, but if the individuals in your particular group wish
to suggest something else, that's fine. I'd also suggest *trying*
video, but perhaps scratching that if the conversation gets too choppy
or people lose connection, etc.

Good luck with planning, Group B! If and when you meet, would someone
take notes and pass them along? I'd like to post the results of this
experiment back on LW, and including comments (what was talked about,
how it helped, etc.) as well as "meta" (these are pros/cons about this
type of thing) would be very helpful.

Maybe even reserve 10min at the end to specifically ask for input from
everyone along these lines.

Jen Runds

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Apr 11, 2011, 2:21:32 AM4/11/11
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Well, I'm free Mon-Fri mornings of this week, which translates into
Sun-Thurs evenings, if I've got the conversion right. After that my
work roster is in flux but I suspect my next availability will be the
Thursday evening after that (ie. Easter Friday morning for me). As for
topics, I'm particularly interested in the Sequences (I've read some
of the subsequences but not others, and wouldn't consider myself an
expert in any of them) and instrumental rationality, and somewhat
uninterested in decision theory.

virtualAdept

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Apr 11, 2011, 11:18:37 AM4/11/11
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I'm free most evenings after 7 EST, more or less indefinitely except
for the weekends of the 22nd and 29th of this month - I'm new enough
that if there's a standard timezone used when mentioning times on the
site, I don't know what it is. If we pick a day other than those I
mentioned, I can arrange to be around pretty easily. I have and use
Skype, so that would probably be my preferred medium.

I've read a goodly chunk of the major Sequences and am still working
my way through the rest - I have something of a blanket fascination
with the topics, so I'm game for talking about any of those, and also
day-to-day experiences with applying rationality (the less 'intuitive'
bits). And probably anything else - I'm pretty easy.

I'll also volunteer for note-taking.

zaph

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Apr 11, 2011, 7:36:14 PM4/11/11
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Hi Everyone,

My schedule is pretty erratic, (work has been hectic, my wife's
expecting our first, and we're also house hunting) so I don't want to
be too big of an influence on times or topics. Basically I'd like to
see if I could jump in based on the times that work for other folks.

Aaron

Brian Raszap Skorbiansky

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Apr 11, 2011, 10:52:21 PM4/11/11
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I can make pretty much any time  if it's at night.

Jen Runds

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Apr 12, 2011, 12:06:42 AM4/12/11
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Hmm, 7pm EST translates into 8pm CST, which is 11am in Sydney.. in that case, I propose Friday evening CST, starting at 8pm and going for as long as people are willing to commit. Any takers? Anyone want to set the inaugural topic? Also, yell at me if my conversions look wrong, I've made egregious errors with them in the past.

John Hendy

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Apr 12, 2011, 7:32:26 AM4/12/11
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On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jen Runds <evil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, 7pm EST translates into 8pm CST, which is 11am in Sydney.. [SNIP]

> Also, yell at me if my conversions look wrong, I've made egregious errors with
> them in the past.

7p EST = 6p CST, and you look to be 15hrs ahead of CST [1] so I think
that's 9a? I know I'm not in your group, but I see the emails and
caught the discrepancy so I figured I'd post.

[1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240. Perhaps
there's more than one zone? Maybe look up CST
(http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/central-time/) to
confirm the difference?

Jen Runds

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Apr 12, 2011, 8:45:53 AM4/12/11
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Thanks for catching that John, I'm fairly rubbish with converting between time zones. That said, I'm perfectly happy with 7p/6p/9a as a starting point for agreeing on a time. Anyone want to make any modifications to that suggestion? Is 6pm too early?

virtualAdept

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Apr 12, 2011, 10:35:07 AM4/12/11
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Friday evening works for me. 6 PM is fine if it's 6 CST. Does/can
everyone use Skype?

On Apr 12, 8:45 am, Jen Runds <evil....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for catching that John, I'm fairly rubbish with converting between
> time zones. That said, I'm perfectly happy with 7p/6p/9a as a starting point
> for agreeing on a time. Anyone want to make any modifications to that
> suggestion? Is 6pm too early?
>
> On 12 April 2011 21:32, John Hendy <jw.he...@gmail.com> wrote:

virtualAdept

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Apr 15, 2011, 10:03:22 AM4/15/11
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Do you folks still want to try to meet tonight, or on a later
weekend?

virtualAdept

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Apr 15, 2011, 10:05:10 AM4/15/11
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Sorry if this is spam, I don't think the first message I sent to day
went through? I don't know. Anyway, do you folks still want to try
to meet tonight, or aim for a later date?

Rasmus Eide

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Apr 15, 2011, 11:10:01 AM4/15/11
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turns out I'll be rather busy this weekend. Today still works thou.

2011/4/15 virtualAdept <m.lair...@gmail.com>:

virtualAdept

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Apr 15, 2011, 11:20:42 AM4/15/11
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I'll be around on Skype ('chbellama'), though I haven't used it much
and don't know how to set up a group call.

On Apr 15, 11:10 am, Rasmus Eide <armok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> turns out I'll be rather busy this weekend. Today still works thou.
>
> 2011/4/15 virtualAdept <m.laire.sm...@gmail.com>:

Jen Runds

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Apr 15, 2011, 5:33:26 PM4/15/11
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I'm 'erratio1' and also don't know how to set up a group call, but I'm counting on Skype's good interface to help there. I'll be around.

Jen Runds

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Apr 15, 2011, 6:20:13 PM4/15/11
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Update: I will probably be up to half an hour late, due to transport issues

virtualAdept

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Apr 15, 2011, 7:38:44 PM4/15/11
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I've been on Skype for about half an hour now (it's 7h30 pm my time);
will remain for at least another half hour before I go bury myself in
something else. I'm guessing we'll want to try again, regardless,
since at most we're looking at 2-3 people today?

On Apr 15, 6:20 pm, Jen Runds <evil....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Update: I will probably be up to half an hour late, due to transport issues
>
> On 16 April 2011 07:33, Jen Runds <evil....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm 'erratio1' and also don't know how to set up a group call, but I'm
> > counting on Skype's good interface to help there. I'll be around.
>

Jen Runds

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Apr 15, 2011, 7:42:34 PM4/15/11
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I'm online! But yes, we seem to be missing a few people..

virtualAdept

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Apr 15, 2011, 8:31:18 PM4/15/11
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Jen and I had a short chat tonight - we'd love to get as much of the
group as possible together for another meeting sometime in the near
future. The first day that we were looking at is Thursday the 21st of
this month, at 7PM CST/ 8 PM EST.

Would that time work for the rest of you? If not, and you're still
interested in talking, when would be better?

On Apr 15, 7:42 pm, Jen Runds <evil....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm online! But yes, we seem to be missing a few people..
>

Rasmus Eide

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Apr 16, 2011, 10:19:00 AM4/16/11
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... damn, did I miss this thing?

2011/4/16 virtualAdept <m.lair...@gmail.com>:

Brian Raszap Skorbiansky

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Apr 16, 2011, 12:19:17 PM4/16/11
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Looks like I missed it as well. Thursday 8pm is good for me.

virtualAdept

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Apr 21, 2011, 3:33:32 PM4/21/11
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Remember, meetup tonight at 8 EST, 7 CST. I'm chbellama on skype, and
I'm going to have a short list of Sequence-based topics I'm interested
in talking about - if you guys have specific points of interest (and
hopefully you do..), bring a list!

On Apr 16, 12:19 pm, Brian Raszap Skorbiansky <bras...@umd.edu> wrote:
> Looks like I missed it as well. Thursday 8pm is good for me.
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> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Rasmus Eide <armok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ... damn, did I miss this thing?
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> > 2011/4/16 virtualAdept <m.laire.sm...@gmail.com>:

Rasmus Eide

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Apr 21, 2011, 3:40:56 PM4/21/11
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Wait, what?!

What time is that in european timezones, I'm pretty sure we all
reached the conclusion there were no possible meetups other than on
weekends.

2011/4/21 virtualAdept <m.lair...@gmail.com>:

virtualAdept

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Apr 21, 2011, 4:14:05 PM4/21/11
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Rasmus -

Midnight, GMT.

You responded to my message from April 15, in which I gave the time
suggestion that Jen and I had, so I assumed you had at least read what
I wrote and would suggest a time that would work for you if that one
didn't. Thus far, no one has said a thing about only being available
on weekends - have you been getting group A's thread mixed up with
this one?

On Apr 21, 3:40 pm, Rasmus Eide <armok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wait, what?!
>
> What time is that in european timezones, I'm pretty sure we all
> reached the conclusion there were no possible meetups other than on
> weekends.
>
> 2011/4/21 virtualAdept <m.laire.sm...@gmail.com>:

John Hendy

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Apr 21, 2011, 4:54:07 PM4/21/11
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Glad you all will meet! If you could let me know how it goes, that
would be great. We met last weekend.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM, virtualAdept <m.lair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Rasmus -


> Thus far, no one has said a thing about only being available
> on weekends - have you been getting group A's thread mixed up with
> this one?

That sounds plausible. Rasmus is assigned to GroupA anyway and met
with us. Not that no one can "double dip," but if you have a time, I'd
definitely go with it and we can set up future meetups to accommodate
others.

I'd like to make a post (maybe even top-level) that summarizes how
this went and gives it a little bit more visibility. I'm hoping if we
can get a decent membership to the Google Group, someone can just
start up a thread with an approximate date range and these could be
held whenever. If that works, hopefully no one will be without a
virtual meetup possibility for any long length of time.

Best regards,
John

virtualAdept

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Apr 21, 2011, 5:04:33 PM4/21/11
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Ahh. That makes sense. Thanks, John.

On Apr 21, 4:54 pm, John Hendy <jw.he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Glad you all will meet! If you could let me know how it goes, that
> would be great. We met last weekend.
>

Rasmus Eide

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Apr 21, 2011, 6:05:08 PM4/21/11
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Oh, so this meetup is for some other group than mine that dont have
any european-timezone people in it? ok, that makes more sense.

... except for why it's being posted in the global group rather than their own.

###

And yea, someone really should make a summary post abut how awesome
the meetup was! ^_^

John Hendy

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Apr 21, 2011, 6:11:26 PM4/21/11
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On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rasmus Eide <armo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, so this meetup is for some other group than mine that dont have
> any european-timezone people in it? ok, that makes more sense.
>
> ... except for why it's being posted in the global group rather than their own.
>

Well, there's only one group. Google Groups is simply a mailing list.
In other words, every email you reply to gets sent to:
--- lesswrong-vi...@googlegroups.com

But notice that the emails about the meetup we had last Saturday had
the following subject line:
--- Group A: jwhendy, Armok_GoB, SilasBarta, Dorrika

And the meetup being discussed here has the following subject line:
--- Re: Group B: erratio, virtualAdept, folkTheory, zaph, [jsalvatier]

Notice the A vs. B as well as the fact that you are listed in one and
not the other :) I realize this could get annoying, but I think it
comes with the mailing list baggage. I have been reading both group's
emails because I kind of feel responsible for the first iteration.
Down the road, if this list gets a lot of activity, I won't read
meetups I don't care about. I'm on several software related mailing
lists and have learned to quickly scan for relevant subject lines and
use gmail shortcuts to j+x down the line and then # to delete them
all.

Hope that helps.

John

Hendy

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Apr 27, 2011, 3:22:57 PM4/27/11
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Did Group B ever end up meeting? Interested to hear how it went!

Brian Raszap Skorbiansky

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Apr 27, 2011, 3:30:22 PM4/27/11
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Yes we had a meeting.
 It was me (folktheory), erratio and virtualAdept. We spoke for about two hours about various topics (VirtualAdept has the actual list of things discussed) and we decided to decide on the next meeting's time the week after this one.

McKenzie Smith

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Apr 27, 2011, 9:28:10 PM4/27/11
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I'll post the minutes when I get a free breath at my computer at home; was a good discussion!

Jen Runds

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Apr 29, 2011, 2:14:26 AM4/29/11
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Yep, we met and chatted, and I'm looking forward to the next one.

On that subject.. I now have next weekend off! Which for purposes of
virtual meetups would be the evening of the 6th (Friday) and the
evening of the 7th (Saturday) for you guys.

John, we also discussed asking you whether there's anyone in your
group who would be interested either in swapping to group B or
potentially attending both, because by our reckoning, we three are the
only members of the group at the moment. Even just one more member
would give us the numbers to keep meeting regularly even if one of us
has trouble attending (as I have had this week)

McKenzie Smith

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Apr 29, 2011, 9:15:02 AM4/29/11
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I am tentatively game for next Friday night - will need to confirm, but I think I should be free.  Looking forward to it!

Rasmus Eide

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Apr 29, 2011, 9:58:40 AM4/29/11
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wait, so today then?

2011/4/29 McKenzie Smith <m.lair...@gmail.com>:

McKenzie Smith

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Apr 29, 2011, 10:24:51 AM4/29/11
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No - *next* Friday, for group B, if you want to chat with us as well, assuming Brian can make it.  

Brian Raszap Skorbiansky

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Apr 29, 2011, 11:50:58 AM4/29/11
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unfortunately I will be traveling on that weekend and won't be able to make it. Any other time is fine though.

McKenzie Smith

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May 6, 2011, 8:59:56 AM5/6/11
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Jen, I dropped the ball on organization this week, for which I apologize - but I'll be around tonight (probably a 30 min-1 hour later than last time  X_x) if you want to chat, since we didn't discuss alternative times.  Or we could simply reschedule for when Brian can be there.  If you see this, let me know what you'd prefer. 

John Hendy

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May 6, 2011, 10:19:07 AM5/6/11
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What time tonight? I missed that in previous notes -- I should be
around depending on the time if you're looking for a 3rd?


Best regards,
John

Rasmus Eide

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May 6, 2011, 10:37:55 AM5/6/11
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About 4 hours unill it starts right?

2011/5/6 John Hendy <jw.h...@gmail.com>:

John Hendy

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May 6, 2011, 11:07:49 AM5/6/11
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I guess I don't know. Someone said Friday evening, so I made some
perhaps incorrect assumptions that this was US time and that evening
= > 6p. It's only 10a in Central time right now, so 4 hours is only
2p. I'm free somewhere after 7p-ish tonight, central time (8p eastern,
7p mountain, 6p pacific).

Rasmus, I think you're 7 hours ahead? So that's like 4a your time?

John Hendy

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May 6, 2011, 11:08:19 AM5/6/11
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Edit, that's 2a in Europe... sorry.

McKenzie Smith

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May 6, 2011, 11:17:44 AM5/6/11