Re: Abridged summary of leo-editor@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

[Paul S. Wilson]

With the deepest respect for Edward, Felix, and the very many contributors for a project I have followed for 25 years, I must agree.

Branding: unique name, short and descriptive of key benefits, not restricted to coders or VSCode (as JS implementation may go elsewhere)

Consider what people search for: 

https://alternativeto.net/software/leo-editor/

URL: emphasize key benefits: see above link - no jargon

LEO acknowledged, not emphasized, as potentially confusing VSCode JS extension and Python source

Documentation both textual and video) - ideally from scratch - or highly condensed at least

Best wishes for project I've followed for decades and wish immortality (at least in my lifetime ;)

Paul

On Friday, July 5, 2024, <leo-e...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

leo-e...@googlegroups.com

Google Groups

Today's topic summary
View all topics

• LeoJS needs to be its own thing - 1 Update

LeoJS needs to be its own thing

Inspired Mars <inspir...@gmail.com>: Jul 05 05:36AM -0700 I’ve watched the progress of “LeoJS” with interest.     What has resulted is something new that deserves to be seen as such.     The millions of people that use Visual Studio Code have no idea ...more

Back to top

You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. You can change your settings on the group membership page. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to leo-editor+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

[Paul S. Wilson]

A better alternative to search for potential users and keywords for a descriptive URLmight be found by pursuing an open source; free; offline, but capable of being hosted freely for collaboration on open source servers; cross platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, IPhone/Pad); personal or shared wiki; with hundreds of open source plugins for specialized needs); oer a decade of development; fully documented  etc.

 

Obsidian

That is the biggest beast to contend with for any version of Leo aimed at a massive market of content creators

https://alternativeto.net/software/obsidian/

Paul

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to leo-editor+...@googlegroups.com.

[Thomas Passin]

If Leo-as-an-idea were to be decoupled from both LeoPython and LeoJS, then there ought to be a requirements document that expresses the essence of Leo, and an API that could support the functionality when invoked by any (or many, anyway) language.  Then there could be many implementations, in many languages, and they could all meet the requirements.  

An interesting idea... and very hard to  pull off, I think, considering the difficulty in explaining what Leo *is* and what you can *do* with it.  One hard area would be the coupling between Leo and its programming language.  The plugin mechanism would probably have to generalized.

OTOH, the Leo bridge could be a route forward. Just like Jupyter can work with many languages because it uses a server for many capabilities, a Leo client in many languages could interact with a Leo bridge server in many languages.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to leo-editor+...@googlegroups.com.

[Edward K. Ream]

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 3:57:38 PM UTC-5 tbp1...@gmail.com wrote:

If Leo-as-an-idea were to be decoupled from both LeoPython and LeoJS, then there ought to be a requirements document that expresses the essence of Leo, and an API that could support the functionality.

Leo isn't an idea, it's a Python program.

Leo's core is the API, and Félix has duplicated that API exactly. Félix has brilliantly adapted Leo's gui to vs-code.

All Leonistas are free to promote Leo as they like. I have other items on my agenda.

Edward

[Félix]

Thank you Paul,

I've never thought of looking at 'alternativeto.net' for stuff related to Leo. This is a very good idea to get insights for rehauling the presentation of features and what to put in the forefront of the docs to reach the potential users with more efficiency.

Your other arguments are very interesting and leave me with much to ponder and think about. So thanks for that

----

Thank you also Thomas,

May I remind everyone about the "foundational features" post originally by Edward, which is an issue on Leo's github: https://github.com/leo-editor/leo-editor/issues/1025

This could be a starting point in a hypothetical reference document that would define even in more details and precision the core features of the leonine editor with outlines, independent of its underlying implementation. (python, js, or other...)

-------

Some personal thoughts: 

The genius of Leo, its 'foundational features independent of their implementation' or, if you will,  the 'Leo-as-an-idea' concept... Is the masterpiece, from Edward's mind.

Maybe Edward feels otherwise because its implementation is, as we all know, a monumental achievement. And, on the other hand, the thoughts of the features only came to his mind in a short instant back in 1998 effortlessly.

 But that alone, is invaluable and not reproducible.
 
 You can only 'wish' to have ideas of that sort in your lifetime. Edward actually did.
 

Félix

[Thomas Passin]

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 12:18:39 AM UTC-4 Félix wrote:

Some personal thoughts: 

The genius of Leo, its 'foundational features independent of their implementation' or, if you will,  the 'Leo-as-an-idea' concept... Is the masterpiece, from Edward's mind.

Maybe Edward feels otherwise because its implementation is, as we all know, a monumental achievement. And, on the other hand, the thoughts of the features only came to his mind in a short instant back in 1998 effortlessly.

 But that alone, is invaluable and not reproducible.
 
 You can only 'wish' to have ideas of that sort in your lifetime. Edward actually did.

I would like to add that Leo as we know it today is the result of a long evolution, during which the ideas of many people helped to shape the present-day Leo.  I want to emphasize the idea of an "evolution", because this evolution has led to the amazingly wide utility that Leo users learn as they use it more and more.  The continuous improvement over decades is one of the things that separates Leo from so many other editor and even outliner projects.