Megillat Esther with Nikkud

[AMK Judaica (Ari)]

Bedieved a megillah may have trop/nikkud. Has anyone actually seen
such a megillah? Leined from one? Is there anyone that permits it le-
chat-chila? I think a while ago we discussed leining from a Torah with
a transparent overlay with trop/nikkud, what about megillah?

kol tuv,
ari

[AMK Judaica]

ok, to clarify, i see keset hasofer (28:8) http://hebrewbooks.org/41270 seems to indicate that one may read from a megillah that already has nikkud/trop without any qualification of bedieved/lechatchila? am i reading correctly? the lechatchila/bediever qualification is only with regard to actually putting in the nikkud/trop to begin with (this is only permitted in situation where BK doesn't know how to lein and there is no one to feed him per magen avraham). so once it is in then there is no problem even lechatchila to use it?
 
kol tov,
ari

Ari Kinsberg
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[AMK Judaica]

other sources aside from keset hasofer that i posted earlier:
SA 691:10 -  a megillah with nikkud/trop isn't pesula (no rama)
MB/BHeitev: if there is no one who can read without trop it is permitted to insert the trop, but in any case according to magen avraham if there is no trop one may lein it without trop
Beer Hagola: lechatchila don't insert it (acc. to mordechai pasul)
Magen Avraham (691:10): BK who doesn't know trop and there is no one to feed him may write in the trop, but in any case if there is no trop in the megillah he made read it without trop
Arukh ha-Shulhan 691:14 - a megilah with nikud/trop is not pesula, but lechatchila asur acc. to magen avraham and even asur bedieved acc. to mordechai. AS seems to conclude that it is preferable to lein without trop than to write in the trop (cites Bach and MA, but looking quickly didn't see this there?)

keset hasofer (28:8) http://hebrewbooks.org/41270 seems to indicate that one may read from a megillah that already has nikkud/trop without any qualification of bedieved/lechatchila? am i reading correctly? the lechatchila/bediever qualification is only with regard to actually putting in the nikkud/trop to begin with (this is only permitted in situation where BK doesn't know how to lein and there is no one to feed him per magen avraham). so once it is in then there is no problem even lechatchila to use it?

 

any thoughts?
 
kol tuv,

[Josh Hosseinof]

I've seen yemenite sifrei torah that have a very faint marking for sof
pasuk. It was so faint i didn't really notice it until i was done
with my aliyah. But once I recognized it's presence it was hard not
to see it being there.

[Michael Stein]

My shul has one Torah that leaves a little extra space to indicate sof pasuk.

[AMK Judaica]

"> My shul has one Torah that leaves a little extra space to indicate sof pasuk"
 

words should be separated by a small letter (yod). all the discussion iirc involves situations where there is not enough space between two words, but is there a problem with leaving more space?
 
(as an aside, one thing i never liked about the koren tikkun is that it leaves extra space between the pesukim)

 
kol tuv,
ari

Ari Kinsberg
MA, PharmD, RPh
Brooklyn, New York
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> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:28:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: [leining] Re: Megillat Esther with Nikkud
> From: mste...@gmail.com
> To: lei...@googlegroups.com

>
>
> My shul has one Torah that leaves a little extra space to indicate sof pasuk.
>

[AMK Judaica]

"I've seen yemenite sifrei torah that have a very faint marking for sof pasuk"
 

with ink or scoring?

 
kol tuv,
ari

Ari Kinsberg
MA, PharmD, RPh
Brooklyn, New York
**************

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> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:06:45 -0700
> Subject: [leining] Re: Megillat Esther with Nikkud
> From: j...@hoss.net
> To: lei...@googlegroups.com

[Michael Stein]

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:45 PM, AMK Judaica <amkju...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "> My shul has one Torah that leaves a little extra space to indicate sof
> pasuk"
>
> words should be separated by a small letter (yod). all the discussion iirc
> involves situations where there is not enough space between two words, but
> is there a problem with leaving more space?

I know of no issue - certainly no sofer has objected to the
extra-wide space during periodic inspections of our scrolls. It's
simply not standard. I just found it interesting to hear of other
scrolls that try to give a little extra help to the reader.

[Josh Hosseinof]

Not with ink, it looked like a small circle or dot etched into the
klaf.