Re: To Joyce Re: [eL4C32] Re: DISCUSSION ACTIVITY FOR DAY AS PART OF DAY 1 INSTRUCTIONS

[Joyce.M...@esc.edu]

Hi Mary:  Fortunately I finally earned tenure this year and will be having a sabbatical next winter (2011) so hopefully I will be able to polish my book and negotiate with my publisher...which I hope will include some kind of agreement about parts of it becoming an OER resource.   At this point, my main reason for publishing in what is considered a "legitimate" way is to earn my promotion to associate professor before retirement. In spite of our reputation for innovation, I am not sure Empire State College will consider OER as legitimate as having my book published by the major publisher with whom I have a contract.   I just keep pushing a little at a time...learning about the OER world, working on my book, polishing the rough draft with the help of my students, and still managing to do a little on the ground community organizing.  It is just a bit hard keeping everything straight and going in some kind of reasonable direction.  :-)

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My husband is thinking about publishing a book based on his lecture notes for a course that he taught based on his research. There is no published book on that particular topic yet. But writing up the course notes into book format is so labor intensive and time consuming that he will not publish the book without a paid sabbatical leave from his administrative and teaching duties.

So, I can relate to your desire to share your book as an open education resource, but being aware fo the financial realities of having to sell our knowledge in order to make a living. I, too, am very glad that students pay tuition so that my husband can earn a living for us.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:42 AM, <Joyce.M...@esc.edu> wrote:

 I agree while in principle I would gladly give my knowledge, skills, and whatever wisdom I may possess away freely, I do have to support my family and am very glad that students pay tuition so that the college can pay me a living wage...so there is always a balance that I try to maintain by sharing with anyone who asks especially students who need extra help and encouragement...Today I have found myself wondering whether it would be better to publish the textbook I am working on as an OER or to continue to work with an old-fashioned publisher among other things I was wondering if an OER would somehow "get lost" in cyberspace...marketing is one function traditional publishers did fulfill.   How will folks even know that OER texts are available or is there an approach being considered.  Joyce

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I think that the community is always more informed than the
individual.  The old tale of three blind men and the elephant!  We are
all victims of our own knowledge and having a forum where others can
broaden and adapt that knowledge is in my opinion a greater benefit to
the whole than "protecting" it from "ratbags" as Sandy so eloquently
put it!

As a professional educator I pay my bills by selling education to
others.  However, I also feel it is my responsibility to share my
knowledge with others for the benefit of the greater good.  These may
seem like opposing principles, but I have to weigh and balance what I
can give away and what to "package" for profit.  My cost based courses
are often more closed system, while my no-cost courses are often open
authored.  For me the difference has been based on personal investment
of time, energy and other resources (including money).  Depending on
the educator's perspective both may be beneficial.  From the student
perspective I think open authoring wins hands down.

Peer review is essential to quality in any open editing environment.

Angie

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[Gene Loeb]

Joyce,

I enjoyed your reply. It made me think. A blended approach with printed books for profit and open materials need to exist at the same time. We need the stability of books for profit, (although we probably be getting th profit in new ways, but also have a great opportunity for open source materials at the same time. Some websites are free to the public but charge to corporations, for example. An excellent internet blocking software is free for family use but sold to the corporate environment for monitoring employee computer use. One website builder is free for limited personal use but sold for use by large users. So this model is avalable, but we do need to keep the for profit part.

And good luck with the sabbaticle and promotion.

Gene

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[Wayne Mackintosh]

Hi Gene,

I think there is a better way  :-)  We need to start from a core which is free (as the basic internet protocols are open, standardised and free.)

There is no need to lock access or restrict use of content for different categories of users. In parallel the OER movement can still support commercial publishing around free content resource -- and this iw what we aim to achieve with the OER Foundation. A sustainable OER eco-system - -everyone wins!

These are exciting times and I hope you'll be joining us in making this happen :-)

Cheers
Wayne

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[gene aronin]

Wayne, just ging ideas. Your response is valuable  and I appreciate it. I will now look for examples of it. Don't forget, I am new at this.

Gene

With Best Wishes for an Even Better Day

Gene-loeb
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[Wayne Mackintosh]

No worries --

You may be new to this (it certainly doesn't show from your posts) -- but at the same time you show tremendous insight into the future and potential of the OER ecosystem  :-)

You're an OER natural!

Wayne

2009/12/1 gene aronin <gene...@gmail.com>

[Joyce.M...@esc.edu]

Wayne's idea of a central core of free materials is great...I think the for
profit publishers may actually move toward OER as it becomes clear this is
the way things are going in an ideal world some of them might actually move
from pure profit motive to being truly "for benefit" organizations where
profit is only one among many missions...it is interesting to think about
how we might help make this a win-win situation for everyone. J.



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