The "official" estimated Elo graph includes 3 graphs with 1 node, 10 nodes and 100 nodes tested against Stockfish 9 ("SF 9"):
You seriously expect me to believe leela plays at 2300 strength with no lookahead whatsoever?I have immense trouble believing anything can do that.
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Stephan, this "easy mode" is definitely not 1 node (from Leela's part)
She can see elementary combinations!
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If KC really lost to Leela in 1 node, it's not because of her training :) he must did something terribly wrong! (Or impulsive??)
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Instead of a script, you could use Arena. There is a Linux version available:
http://playwitharena.com/?Download:Arena_for_Linux
But if for some reason, Arena doesn't work there is SCID vs PC:
http://scidvspc.sourceforge.net
Both are excellent GUIs but you have to compile the later, and it's not that intuitive as Arena
Unfortunately Arena doesn't work in Manjaro, but works fine in Debian.
So, maybe in Ubuntu too!
Thank you for what you have offered all these years, to computer chess.
I used to have a lot of fun with GnuChess, as a student!
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Rather than renting an expensive gpu on aws, try one of the distilled networks on cpu. https://github.com/dkappe/leela-chess-weights/wiki/Distilled-Networks
However, giving Leela 10 sec to think, I have no chance.
And no matter how interesting the game would be I would end up losing without knowing where I went wrong :)
No problem, I give it a try... But I have no illusions.
Is this what you folk are thinking of?
Leela net 125(!) vs GM Andrew Tang:
FWIW.
On Feb 2, 2019, at 12:46 AM, Dietrich Kappe <dka...@gmail.com> wrote:
Stuart,
Rather than renting an expensive gpu on aws, try one of the distilled networks on cpu. https://github.com/dkappe/leela-chess-weights/wiki/Distilled-Networks
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The instructions are here:
https://github.com/LeelaChessZero/lc0
Bottom of the page and after the instructions for the Windows build.
Unfortunately I don't have a Mac, so I can't say more...
Let us know if you did it.
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brew install openblas
Or if this doesn't work
brew install homebrew/science/openblas
Hope this helps
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Don't forget that human chess players range from bellow 1000 up to 2800+ ELO.
So this statement is simply not true, even for the best chess engine! TC matters.
The way you put it, makes a lot of sense and I fully agree to everything you said :)
A final comment about AB engines:
You can lower their strength, by reducing for e.g their search depth.
But that makes them play very unnatural and artificial chess you would never see from an equally weak human player.
Therefore they are not as valuable educational tool as Leela.
Two puzzles for me:
1. If Leela can (at least most of the time) avoid a mate in 1 when evaluating 1 node only, that means that somehow tactic evaluation capabilities must have been "encoded" into Leela's NN.
Which to me is surprising.
Maybe it implies that the training is not done the optimal way in that part of the network is being "wasted" for tactics?
2. I cannot understand how a 10 node evaluation can significantly increase tactic capabilities compared to 1 node.
Iow, if leela at 1 node has 1-move-tactic-blindspot, leela at 10 nodes should suffer from a similar thing, altough to a lesser degree.
So it is also surprising that some people here are saying that there is, infact, a significant increase in elo when going from 1 to 10 node.
Cheers!
I think that would be like comparing Leela's intuition to human.
An intersting comparison I think.
How many nodes a human GM evaluates?
I don't know... But I am sure people in this forum are more knowledgeable and can say.
Another way to put it:
Did anyone caculate Leela's elo for smallest node values?
Say: 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100...??
Thanks!
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On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:40:06 AM UTC-5, Ingo Weidner wrote:The "official" estimated Elo graph includes 3 graphs with 1 node, 10 nodes and 100 nodes tested against Stockfish 9 ("SF 9"):You seriously expect me to believe leela plays at 2300 strength with no lookahead whatsoever?I have immense trouble believing anything can do that.
I've played Leela recent nets with depth=1 (which is probably not the same as 1 node) and beat her easily. See one example game above!
Now, if someone could tell me how to set up Leela to play in 1 node in SCID vs PC GUI, I would be grateful!
I would like to avoid playing the whole game from command line using uci commands.
Also Arena GUI doesn't work in Manjaro anymore.
I wish I could help you more, but I don't own a Mac.
Maybe someone here, who has successfully compiled Leela on his Mac could?
No, 2400+ is a LOT! At this level humans see a lot of tactics. I tried using 3+2 mode as well and it beats everyone. 1 minute + 1 second is quite a lot of time to make a good move in chess. I think at 3+2 mode it is at least 2000.
--well, Nakamura & Carlsen can play at bullet speeds and do a lot of
search & eval,
with in at least one case Carlsen playing a bullet game against
another GM in which (according to stockfish analysis later) he made
zero mistakes!
I don't think I can play well enough to make zero mistakes
no matter how much time you give me to think (well, unless my opponent helps me
by making big blunders early, then I can play with zero mistakes :).
I have no idea how the hell those guys do that. Myself, if I try to
play at bullet speeds, I cannot search, I cannot even evaluate the one node
of my (non)search; all I can do is generate some but not all legal moves, and
semi-evaluate the situation, which is "bad and getting worse" :(.
But I have in mind as "rating", some fairly normal speed of play, not
insane bullet speed.
If I play normal speed & you play with 1 node, I think I'm usually
going to win, no matter who or what you are.
You have to say what your account names are on chess.com, or whatever;
it may be obvious to you, but not to me...
You think it could be used differently in these two cases. Perhaps!
The truth is Leela is unbeatable in 1 node, for my standards. With the 32930 net. The one which loses to Stockfish... at TCEC!
Simply incredible
I'm convinced now it's not the same...
But I suggest being honest. Let people know that they will be playing Leela "handicapped to looking at only one node (!)" and I bet you'll get a lot of happy opponent takers.
Your results will be more robust too.
Even tell them "it is in the name of science", and they are helping accelerate the date of the singularity.
Unfortunately ChessBot is a Windows only GUI so not of much use for me!
I know I can run it through wine or inside virtual box, but I prefer Linux native apps.
PS: Why don't you use Arena? www.playwitharena.com
It's free and rich in features.
Again, thank you.