Google Translator ສໍາລັບ ພາສາລາວ

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ປັດຈຸບັນ ບໍ່ມີພາສາລາວ ທີ່ Google Translator ເພາະຂາດ ເອກະສານ ຂໍ້ມູນ
ຂອງພາສາລາວນັ້ນເອງ.
ຂ້ອຍເຫັນວ່າມັນເປັນເຄື່ອງມືທີ່ສໍາຄັນທີ່ຈະຊ່ວຍຫລາຍທ່ານ ດ້ານເເປ ພາສາ
ຕົວຢ່າງ ລາວ -> ອັງກິດ -> ຟາລັງ ຫລື່ ພາສາ ອື່ນ.

ພວກເຮົາຕ້ອງການເອກະສານ ຂໍ້ມູນ ຂອງພາສາລາວ ເຊັ່ນ: Dictionary, Corpus,
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[Luan Vannithone]

 
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:05:12 -0700
> Subject: Re: Google Translator ສໍາລັບ ພາສາລາວ
> From: luan_va...@hotmail.com
> To: ano...@gmail.com
> CC: lao...@googlegroups.com
>
> ອານຸສັກ
>
> ຂ້ອຍເອງກະໄດ້ ຊອກຫາເອກະສານ ຂໍ້ມູນ ຂອງພາສາລາວ ເຊັ່ນກັນ. ໂດຍສະເພາະ
> glossaries, ຂ້ອຍຂຽນ email ຫາ Soutsaka college (in Lao PDR)
> ຂະເຈົ້າກະບໍ່ຕອບ. ຂໍຮ້ອງ ເພັດ (of MAHASAN) ໃຫ້ໄປຕິດຕໍ່ຂະເຈົ້າ
> ກະບໍ່ໄດ້ຄວາມຫຍັງເທື່ອ.
> ດຽວນີ້ຂ້ອຍກະມີ glossaries ທີ່ ພົງປະສິດ of STEA ສົ່ງມາໃຫ້ ແຕ່ Februry
> 2009 ພຸ້ນ. ມັນຄົງຍັງເປັນປະໂຍດຢູ່.
>
> ຄວາມຈິງແລ້ວຂ້ອຍໄດ້ຊອກຫາ ແລະໄດ້ພໍ້ ວິທີນຶ່ງ ໃນການ ເອົາ glossaries (or
> word pairs) ເຂົ້າໃນ Google Translate's Translation Memory (TM)
> ໄດ້ຢ່າງໄວຂືນຕື່ມ. ຄວາມລະອຽດ ໃຫ້ເບີ່ງຕາມ ລຸມນີ້.
>
> --------------- [extracted from
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/laol10n/web/build-english-lao-dictionary-glossary-to-google-translate?hl=en]
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Build English-Lao-English dictionary (glossary) to Google Translate
>
> Our Group would like to invite you as a person with Lao and English
> language background to come and help create an English-Lao-English
> dictionary (glossary) online to Google Translate so that Lao language
> would be promoted in Google Translate as 'available'. This would
> facilitate translation from English to Lao and vice versa, and help
> with communication and information exchange. Currently only major
> languages are available, but not minor ones like Lao, or Khmer for
> example. For Lao it's up to Lao speaking people to make it happen.
>
> Come and visit our site
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/laol10n,
> and create yourself a Google account and sign in, then select 'Pages'
> then 'Build English-Lao-English dictionary (glossary) to Google
> Translate' to see this page and associated information.
>
> Link to Google Translate Toolkit is
> http://translate.google.com.au/?hl=en&tab=wT#
>
> Select 'Translate Toolkit' at the left of the page, after you sign in.
>
> You can choose to work with Lao-to-English word pair files that was
> prepared and ready for translation, and are available at
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/eng2lao/home/files
>
> The actual action of doing translation would automatically store data
> or information onto Google Translate Toolkit's memory, and become
> available to other people translations as well.
>
> files
> Volunteer name and email
> % completed
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> LaoEng_01 (k-4200)- for TM upload .............?.
>
> LaoEng_02 (k'-2560)- for TM upload ............?
>
> LaoEng_03 (kh-1927)- for TM upload........... ?
>
> LaoEng_04 (gn-451))- for TM upload .......... Luan Vannithone
> luan_va...@hotmail.com 5%
>
> LaoEng_05 - (j-2006)- for TM upload..............?
>
> .
>
> (approximately 29 files. The 2nd number in file name indicates
>
> quantity of word pairs involved)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Total
> =
> 0.01% completed ?
>
> These files are based on Lao PDR STEA compilation of 2009.
>
> Do volunteer and send me an email at luan_va...@hotmail.com so I
> can update the table above accordingly. The Level of progress can be
> ascertained by the percentage completed.
>
> Download file above to your computer then upload to Google Translated
> Tookit for translation. Note the file consists of multiple word pairs
> with Lao word in one line and corresponding English word in the next.
> This format is most suitable to the mechanic of translating and
> entering data into Google Translate Toolkit's Global, Shared
> Translation Memory (or TM), the final repository. What one needs to do
> is, on the Translation pane (not the Original Text pane), to copy the
> Lao word and paste it on top of the English word for each word pair.
>
> Sample screen...
>
>
> http://laol10n.googlegroups.com/web/copy%20paste%20word.jpg?gda=1JQ_eEgAAADN_r_LcQSxqkey7z32-6esUGnYgcj8KzqeiwtiIt2UY5HM3LwLpvHKsjoOxgHiV6NzlqnWZQD3y6jZqCMfSFQ6ovuso0cCLJRYRb_IDpiK4w&hl=en
>
> In addition or alternatively you can work with files below, containing
> English words and expressions needed to be entered into Google
> Translate, stored in 'Files' section of our discussion group. See
> 'Files' at the right of the page.
>
> Collection file name Volunteer translator His
> email address % of translation
> completed
>
> ----------------------------
> ---------------------------
> ---------------------------
> --------------------------------------
>
> Eng-Lao 00001-00999 A txt Luan Vannithone
> luan_va...@hotmail.com 100%
>
> Eng-Lao 01000-01999 A txt Luan Vannithone
> luan_va...@hotmail.com 5%
>
> Eng-Lao 02000-02999 A txt ?
>
> Eng-Lao 03000-03999 A txt ?
>
> Eng-Lao 04000-04999 A txt ?
>
> Eng-Lao 05000-05999 A txt ?
>
> Eng-Lao 06000-06999 A txt ?
>
> .
>
> Eng-Lao 80001-80999 A txt ?
>
> ........................................
> Overall % completed = ............. 1%
>
> (Approximately 80 collections)
>
> (due to size limitation some files are stored at https://sites.google.com/site/eng2lao/)
>
> Do volunteer and send me an email at luan_va...@hotmail.com so I
> can update the table above accordingly.
>
> I think Google Translate Toolkit online help is reasonably easy
> enough to follow in order to translate and enter data. If further
> assistance is required phone me on 0419604398 (Australia) or send me
> email.
>
> Note some words in the collections appears many times. This is to
> allow for possible word synonyms in Lao. If not available you can just
> repeat the same word translation. For some words where you cannot find
> corresonding Lao words I recommend you add next to the English word a
> Lao word written in Lao alphabets to sound out the English word and
> kept in a bracket. Typically these words would be Technical words or
> terms. This approach would be acceptable. This translation can be
> superseeded at some stage later anyway by someone who knows the exact
> translation by simply going through the translation process, and gives
> the word translation a higher weighted vote.
>
> Below are sample resources that would assist you with the translation.
>
> - A free Lao-English-Lao dictionary program from Soutsaka College
> http://www.simt.edu.la/Students%20work.html
>
> - A Lao 'corpus' type word search http://sealang.net/lao/dictionary.htm
> by CRCL and the University of Wisconsin-Madison
>
> - Some of our members already have a soft copy of Lao-English-Lao
> glossary. I will try to obtain and make them generally available
> (however do not let this last point stop you from progressing).
> <
>
> Once this endeavor is completed (or almost) the task of translating
> between English and Lao should be easier for anyone, thus enhancing
> communication and facilitating availability of technical and other
> knowledge in Lao language.
>
> See this discussion thread below for more information
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/laol10n/browse_thread/thread/6efb39a569fe043f?hl=en
>
> (Luan Vannithone 3-May-2010, and updated on 16-May-2010)
> -----------------[ end of extract ]
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ຂ້ອຍຄືດວ່າພວກເຮົາຄວນບໍ່ຄາ ແລະ ສາມາດກ້າວຫນ້າ ໄປໄດ້ອິກຈາກນີ້.
>
> ໂຊກດີ
>
> ບຸນຫລວງ
>
> .............

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[Anousak Souphavanh]

luan,

thanks the work...sorry i was quite busy and have not been able to do
anything with you. i will send my glossary tomorrow and have
incorporate into the tm yourself.

do continue...
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[Luan Vannithone]

sbd Pan et, al
 
I totally agree with Pan re
"> Ideally both En-Lo and Lo-En should be work on, but given our limited
> resources I suggest we concentrate on En-Lo. The main reason being there are
> more learning material in English that can benefit Lao people more than
> Lao-En translation.".
 
However I do not think you need to filter and sort matched English word entries identified anyfurther. Lao-Eng word pairs contained in files that are stored in
https://sites.google.com/site/eng2lao/home/files
are in format that is completely ready to be entered into Google Translate TM, no further manipulation are required. One just need to 'copy Lao word from line 1 and paste it on top of English word in line 2', and that's it. See the 'how to' section mentioned ealier.
 
Note I personally will be reluctant to use "telaolex" table from http://park.lao.net/cgi-bin/readdata.cgi?SELECT=lentry,eentry,tentry%20from%20telaolex since
1- there are significant number of Thai words used as placeholders for missing Lao words (eventhough written in Lao characters). I know you can replace them properly later on. However there is a danger people will start to think they are proper Lao words, and also it can potentially turns people off from participating and volunteering in the exercise, and
2- I thought you want to minimise people from use http://park.lao.net/cgi-bin/readdata.cgi since it's hosted on your small private server.
 
From now I think we should start storing data files in Google provided facility, plentifull of space (you can create multiple sites for space) and very familiar to most people wordwide.
 
This is not to minimise the value of the great work you have done ( Pan), that has served us well as springboard to the current project/ excercise in question. Credit goes to you, Pan.
 
Hakpeng,
 
Luan(g) 
 
NB., thanks for this info (you have just given me another homework!). It should be a handy khowledge to have.
[> MySQL http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/tutorial.html
> concentrate on SELECT command and databases 'join'.]

 
 
> From: p...@lao.net
> To: lao...@googlegroups.com
> CC: vik....@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Google Translator ສໍາລັບ ພາສາລາວ

> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:52:49 +1000
>
> Sabaydii Luang et al,
> Ideally both En-Lo and Lo-En should be work on, but given our limited
> resources I suggest we concentrate on En-Lo. The main reason being there are
> more learning material in English that can benefit Lao people more than
> Lao-En translation.
>
> You can filter a little more with MySQL command to sort match English word
> 'entry' from
> http://park.lao.net/cgi-bin/readdata.cgi?SELECT=lentry,eentry,tentry%20from%20telaolex
> and input the output as .csv file to Google glossary and translate.
>
> MySQL http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/tutorial.html
> concentrate on SELECT command and databases 'join'.
>
> Sookdii
>
> Pan

>
>
>
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> To: "Laonux" <ano...@gmail.com>
> Cc: <lao...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Google Translator ສໍາລັບ ພາສາລາວ
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