Cathedral & Church Parking * Church Busses * Walk to Worship
Elson Trinidad
J. K. Drummond wrote:
>
> Los Angeles' new Cathedral will have parking underneath the structure.
> Perhaps this will be a first in a structure built for worship.
Well, we're talking about a 21st-Century cathedral here. Of course,
people don't imagine cathedrals with parking lots for the obvious
reason that most cathedrals were built before cars existed.
The Cathedral of Our Lady of The Angels is also unique since there are
no residential areas directly adjacent, so transportation access (via
parking, subway and bus) is necessary. Bunker Hill condos aside, the
nearest neighborhood is over half a mile to the west. Also, since the
lot is relatively limited, there is no place for parking but underground
- a similar situation as our Central Library.
> When the Catholic Church was building many new churches during the boom
> years following World War II it was the plan to have a church within
> walking distance of everyone. Orthodox Jews must walk to worship on Sabbath.
I'm Catholic, and as it seems, people are willing to go to church far
from their home, for various reasons (i.e. they like the priest there
better, they like the music better, family tradition, they like the
ambiance, more convenient mass schedule, etc.) My closest church is in
walking distance (3 blocks), but every Sunday I go to another parish 3
miles away (my reason is that I'm a musician in the choir there).
> One of the largest churches on the Palos Verdes Peninsula is planning to
> build a 2,500 seat sanctuary church with parking "below" it. Since a
> ravine is mentioned it is not absolutely clear whether the parking will
> be under the structure or down in the ravine bordering the new church.
Hope they design it well...erosion and such (they don't call the nearby
area Rolling Hills for nothing!)
> Mega churches in residential neighborhoods are mega traffic generators.
Also, many people prefer to drive to church, even if it's nearby,
generally because they're bound for someplace else when church is done
(i.e. the park, Sunday brunch, etc).
> Some churches are locating in non-traditional industrial parks where there
> are no residents to protest the influx of vehicles.
When you mean "locating," are you talking about a new church being
built, or a church setting up in a former commercial property? In my
part of town, a lot of Latino Evangelical Protestant churches use former
storefronts.
Elson
J. K. Drummond
Los Angeles' new Cathedral will have parking underneath the structure.
Perhaps this will be a first in a structure built for worship. There is
a church in Redondo beach with parking beneath it, but it was first a
Ralphs supermarket. Does anyone know of any churches designed or built
with parking underneath the building?
Some churches have church busses which transport worshipers. At least
one congregation used its bus to transport workers from South Central to
downtown L.A. during a bus strike.
When the Catholic Church was building many new churches during the boom
years following World War II it was the plan to have a church within
walking distance of everyone. Orthodox Jews must walk to worship on Sabbath.
One of the largest churches on the Palos Verdes Peninsula is planning to
build a 2,500 seat sanctuary church with parking "below" it. Since a
ravine is mentioned it is not absolutely clear whether the parking will
be under the structure or down in the ravine bordering the new church.
But it seems almost clear in context that this will be a church with a
parking structure beneath the sanctuary.
Mega churches in residential neighborhoods are mega traffic generators.
sno...@ix.netcom.com
On 04/08/1998 18:47, in message J. K. Drummond <am...@lafn.org> wrote:
> Los Angeles' new Cathedral will have parking underneath the structure.
> Perhaps this will be a first in a structure built for worship. There is
> a church in Redondo beach with parking beneath it, but it was first a
> Ralphs supermarket. Does anyone know of any churches designed or built
> with parking underneath the building?
Hope Chapel on Pacific Coast Highway near Artesia in Hermosa Beach has a parking lot
at street level with the church above. This building is attached to a Lucky's
Market. I always thought that it used to be a bowling alley before the church bought
it.
--
Dave Snowden
Redondo Beach, California
sno...@ix.netcom.com
J. K. Drummond
Dave has supplied an alternate description of the building I mentioned! It
was Hope Chapel on PCH that I was speaking of. I remember shopping in
the building! Dave describes it as being in another beach city and
adjoining another market. A building on a sloping lot that has its
basement also at ground level is said down South as having a "daylight
basement"
The point was that it was a good reuse of a building and perhaps the
Cathedral may be the first building designed as a house of worship with
parking underneath.
J. K. Drummond
A worshiper at this large church, whose campus sprawls on both sides of a
wide divided parkway does now have bus service. They have a shuttle bus
that brings folks from the parking lot on one side of PV Dr. to services
on the other side! Is this a first? Does anyone know of any other house
of worship anywhere that has bus service from its parking lot to the church?
In a previous article, am...@lafn.org (J. K. Drummond) says:
>One of the largest churches on the Palos Verdes Peninsula is planning to
>build a 2,500 seat sanctuary church with parking "below" it. Since a
>ravine is mentioned it is not absolutely clear whether the parking will
>be under the structure or down in the ravine bordering the new church.
>But it seems almost clear in context that this will be a church with a
>parking structure beneath the sanctuary.
>Mega churches in residential neighborhoods are mega traffic generators.
>Some churches are locating in non-traditional industrial parks where there
>are no residents to protest the influx of vehicles.
This church is in a semi-rural (or faux "rural") semi-residential area.
It is within walking distance (if not wearing high heels) of one busline
operating on Sunday. Another 6 day a week bus line is within similar
walking distance. The church is in an affluent area. Sometimes busses
run from the church to evening Hollywood Bowl events or daytime Music
Center events.
sno...@ix.netcom.com
On 04/10/1998 15:12, in message J. K. Drummond <am...@lafn.org> wrote:
> Dave has supplied an alternate description of the building I mentioned! It
> was Hope Chapel on PCH that I was speaking of. I remember shopping in
> the building! Dave describes it as being in another beach city and
> adjoining another market. A building on a sloping lot that has its
> basement also at ground level is said down South as having a "daylight
> basement"
>
> >Hope Chapel on Pacific Coast Highway near Artesia in Hermosa Beach has
> >a parking lot at street level with the church above. This building is
> >attached to a Lucky's Market. I always thought that it used to be a
> >bowling alley before the church bought it.
>
> The point was that it was a good reuse of a building and perhaps the
> Cathedral may be the first building designed as a house of worship with
> parking underneath.
The Hope Chapel & Lucky's Store is located at the top of a very short, but steep
hill. The parking lot is level, however. Until a few years ago there was an excellent
view of the beach from the nearby intersection until a hotel was built on the vacant
lot on the west side of PCH. It could have been a Ralph's about 15 years ago. The
Ralphs that is not at PCH & Aviation used to be an Alpha Beta.
Question on the church with the parking lot shuttle. Is it Rolling Hills Methodist?
Is it at the corner of Palos Verdes Drive North and Crenshaw?
Hank Fung (SoCalTip)
In article <1998Apr10.2...@lafn.org>,
>wide divided parkway does now have bus service. They have a shuttle bus
>that brings folks from the parking lot on one side of PV Dr. to services
>on the other side! Is this a first? Does anyone know of any other house
>of worship anywhere that has bus service from its parking lot to the church?
>
The Hsi Lai Temple in Hacienda Heights has shuttle service on Buddhist
holidays to alleviate traffic congestion. People park at nearby park
and rides, rented lots, etc. and ride a school bus to the temple.
(I haven't been there in five years on a holiday, so I don't know what
equipment they're using) The temple has very little parking and
is located at the top of a hill, so people have to park on the bottom
of the hill and hike up when the lot overflows. BTW, the nearest
transit service is about a mile away on Colima Rd. (482 and 471).
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