Open Position

[Glenn Robuck]

One of our Sr Linux Admins has resigned to take a position with clearwire (work from home job) which is where he was laid off from last year.  So that means we have an opening here.

It's a senior level position so 5+ years of linux administration required.  Also wanted is a solid networking background with experience in setup, configuration and daily maintenance of Cisco switches and routers.  Perl scripting, BIND, Apahce, PHP, MySQL are all required as well.  Nice to have would be cloud computing performance optimization.

If anyone is interested in applying, forward me your resume and I'll pass you through the first round of screening.

Glenn

[Nick Anderson]

Glenn Robuck wrote:
> One of our Sr Linux Admins has resigned to take a position with
> clearwire (work from home job) which is where he was laid off from
> last year. So that means we have an opening here.

Where is "here"?

[Glenn Robuck]

Sorry, should have clarified.  "Here" is Adknowledge.  Headquarters is at 4600 Madison in Kansas City MO.  We have Data Centers in Olathe and 1102 locally; Atlanta, LA and Amsterdam remotely.  We are looking to move Atlanta to either LA, Dallas or Miami.  Currently have 300+ servers in Olathe and 200+ in Atlanta.  Almost all Dell.

Sales offices in San Fran, LA, KC, New York, Ft Meyers (FL), London, Sydney.

Anyone want more information just ask.

[Legatus]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:28, Glenn Robuck <techra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, should have clarified.  "Here" is Adknowledge.  Headquarters is at 4600 Madison in Kansas City MO.  We have Data Centers in Olathe and 1102 locally; Atlanta, LA and Amsterdam remotely.  We are looking to move Atlanta to either LA, Dallas or Miami.  Currently have 300+ servers in Olathe and 200+ in Atlanta.  Almost all Dell.

Sales offices in San Fran, LA, KC, New York, Ft Meyers (FL), London, Sydney.

Anyone want more information just ask.

Salary range?

--
JD Runyan


Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach  - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day."

[Kit Peters]

I've heard allegations that AK is a spam house. What is your response?

KP

--
GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7

[David Nicol]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kit Peters <pope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've heard allegations that AK is a spam house.  What is your response?
>
> KP

Adknowledge isn't /a/ spam house, it's /the/ spam house.

[Christofer C. Bell]

Providing hosting for advertising != spamming. My first response is
"you probably won't get a job there." Can you show some evidence that
AdKnowledge is a spammer and not simply a successful ad hosting
service?

--
Chris

[Nick Anderson]

> Providing hosting for advertising != spamming. My first response is
> "you probably won't get a job there." Can you show some evidence that
> AdKnowledge is a spammer and not simply a successful ad hosting
> service

Regardless, even if they are a spam house that keeps many administrators
employed :P

[Kit Peters]

No, I can't provide evidence, merely hearsay. Hence my term, "allegations".

KP

[David Nicol]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Christofer C. Bell

> Providing hosting for advertising != spamming.  My first response is
> "you probably won't get a job there."  Can you show some evidence that
> AdKnowledge is a spammer and not simply a successful ad hosting
> service?

Chris:
So we don't degenerate into a "guns don't kill people, people kill
people" kind of definitional name-calling, does "you" here refer to
Kit or me?

[Jeffrey Watts]

Folks, he's posting a job opening at a company he works at as a service to everyone else here.  The current discussion looks to be trending more towards an attack on AK rather than a valid discussion of the job opening.

I'd suggest that we be careful to not attack the guy because of where he works.

Jeffrey.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kit Peters <pope...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've heard allegations that AK is a spam house.  What is your response?

--

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine

[Kit Peters]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 15:17, Jeffrey Watts <jeffrey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks, he's posting a job opening at a company he works at as a service to
> everyone else here.  The current discussion looks to be trending more
> towards an attack on AK rather than a valid discussion of the job opening.

I disagree. Ethical issues are a valid concern when considering
whether to even apply for open position. Allegations have been raised
about unethical conduct by AK; I think those allegations are worthy of
discussion in regard to the job posting.

Furthermore, I for one am by no means attacking the OP. I am simply
asking for his response to the allegations of unethical conduct by his
employer.

KP

[Justin Dugger]

Your rhetorical theory reminds me of this brief :
http://gb1990.net/legal/response/D2009-1182%20Response%20Brief.pdf.

Justin

[Matthew Welch]

I don't think spam is unethical. Some people may consider a message spam, where others may not. If your not interested in the job, don't responded. If you are do. But if you want to talk about their business practices, started a new discussion. But your making spam this god awful evil. I for one like spam. As mentioned before, it keeps me busy.

[Nick Anderson]

Matthew Welch wrote:

I don't think spam is unethical. Some people may consider a message spam, where others may not. If your not interested in the job, don't responded. If you are do. But if you want to talk about their business practices, started a new discussion. But your making spam this god awful evil. I for one like spam. As mentioned before, it keeps me busy.

Not to mention spam is very profitable. Sure some mail annoys some people.

What annoys me more than spam is forwards! How many stinking chain letters that promise everlasting life, love, or good fortune can my aunt possibly send.

[Matthew Welch]

Kit,

I saw that you used to work for Virtumundo, Inc. They are a BIG spam house. Results 1 - 10 of about 148,000 for Virtumundo spam compared to  Results 1 - 10 of about 37,300 for AdKnowledge spam. Whats up?

Matt

[Dario Landazuri]

> I saw that you used to work for Virtumundo, Inc. They are a BIG spam
> house. Results 1 - 10 of about 148,000 for Virtumundo spam compared to
> Results 1 - 10 of about 37,300 for AdKnowledge spam. Whats up?

No kidding! I once heard that Virtumundo spammed and DoS'd a young girl
in 1990, 2001, 2003, *AND* 2007!!!!

-Dario

--
************************************************************
Dario Landazuri Triangle Fraternity Minn97Ok
da...@landazuri.net
http://www.landazuri.net
************************************************************
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that certain
je ne sais quoi."
-Peter Schickele

[Nick Anderson]

Matthew Welch wrote:

Kit,

I saw that you used to work for Virtumundo, Inc. They are a BIG spam house. Results 1 - 10 of about 148,000 for Virtumundo spam compared to  Results 1 - 10 of about 37,300 for AdKnowledge spam. Whats up?

Now now, its not SPAM its "delivering multi-channel marketing solutions to create highly-targeted, customizable campaigns through email".

[Nick Anderson]

Dario Landazuri wrote:

No kidding!  I once heard that Virtumundo spammed and DoS'd a young girl in 1990, 2001, 2003, *AND* 2007!!!!

Humm, maybe we should report them.

According to familywatchdog.us

Registered Offender List

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[Aaron Brown]

[someone] wrote:
> blah blah
> [someone else] wrote:
>> On [today], [some idiot] wrote:
>> blah blah sucks blah blah

...and emacs rocks, you can't spell "vile" without "vi", and Ubuntu
kicks the crap out of Fedora, and...

Is everyone else just having a slow Friday?

/me goes back to programming.

- Aaron

--
Aaron Brown :: aa...@thebrownproject.com :: www.thebrownproject.com

[Nick Anderson]

Aaron Brown wrote:

[someone] wrote:
  

blah blah
[someone else] wrote:
    

On [today], [some idiot] wrote:
  blah blah sucks blah blah
      

...and emacs rocks, you can't spell "vile" without "vi", and Ubuntu
kicks the crap out of Fedora, and...

Is everyone else just having a slow Friday?

/me goes back to programming.

 - Aaron

  

Im in the middle of an upgrade and waiting on a data export.

[Adrian Griffis]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Matthew Welch
<mwe...@sunflowerbroadband.com> wrote:
> I don't think spam is unethical. Some people may consider a message spam,
> where others may not. If your not interested in the job, don't responded. If
> you are do. But if you want to talk about their business practices, started
> a new discussion. But your making spam this god awful evil. I for one like
> spam. As mentioned before, it keeps me busy.

I can't help wondering if you're simply trolling, because the
cluelessness of this position is absolutely breathtaking. I have an
email account that I pay for which is almost completely useless
because of all the spam I get on it. Last I checked, I got about 150
pieces of spam on it per day, and back when I checked it more, I
routinely missed messages that I wanted to see, because they were hard
to pick out among all the spam. Spammers are parasites on society,
and they belong in jail. When you are using resources that other
people pay for, it is important to be sure you are not using them in
ways that are against the rules established by those who pay for them.
To do otherwise is morally indistinguishable from trespassing.

There is no excuse for most of the spam we receive, and only someone
terribly naive or terribly immoral could believe otherwise.

Adrian

[Nick Anderson]

Adrian Griffis wrote:
> There is no excuse for most of the spam we receive, and only someone
> terribly naive or terribly immoral could believe otherwise.
>

No one is up in arms about their physical mailbox being full of crap. I
slipped a disc carrying in junkmail but I havent seen any CAN-JUNK act
in congress.

[Seth Galitzer]

And don't forget the telemarketing industry, which has rendered any
do-not-call laws impotent.

(OK, it's a slow day for me, too)

Seth

[Matthew Welch]

I am not trying to troll. But I will never compare spam to morals. I guess I feel there are more moral issues that should be dealt with than spam. But then again, my spam solution rocks.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Matt

[Adrian Griffis]

If advertisers could drop as many pieces of junk mail into our mailbox
as they want, at absolutely no cost to themselves, I bet there would
be a CAN-JUNK act going through Congress very quickly. You might note
that there are already laws governing unsolicited faxes, and that
situation is closer to being like email SPAM.

Adrian

[Karl Schmidt]

> No one is up in arms about their physical mailbox being full of crap.

I seem to be on every physical mailing list there is - stockpiles of junk mail at least have value
as a heating fuel. Sometimes I have to open junk mail that looks like orders or payments - sneaky
devils - but it all can be converted to BTUs. (Will they put a carbon tax on junk mail?)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Karl Schmidt EMail Ka...@xtronics.com
Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com
3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089
Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434

"Beware the fury of a patient man."
--John Dryden

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Karl Schmidt]

>
> And don't forget the telemarketing industry, which has rendered any
> do-not-call laws impotent.

Seems there is no restriction at all from junk calls originating overseas .. I think wholesale phone
rates for overseas call centers is about $03/min - not sure what the cost if they use VoIP

Key phrases - "What is the exact purpose of your call in 10 words or less?" "Put me on your no-call
list."

[Glenn Robuck]

Simple, We don't spam.  Our email marketing complies with all federal and state regulations regarding the sending of email and are not in violation of any AUP of any provider in the world.

Also, Adknowledge has 6 distinct business units, our email division makes up less than 30% of our company.

We are the largest privately owned online advertising company in the United States.  If we were a spammer we wouldn't be able to get the amount of VC that we've gotten.

So, like I said, simple, we don't spam.

Glenn

[Glenn Robuck]

If you believe that you don't know what spam is.

Glenn

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:16 PM, David Nicol <david...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Christofer C. Bell]

The "you" refers to you, David Nicol, not to Kit. I'm looking for
more substantiation that AdKnowledge is a *spammer* and not simply a
successful ad hosting service. From the looks of the job description
requirements they're doing ad hosting for websites. They do advertise
bulk email services as well -- with the caveat that it's opt-in
services (which I support).

You make a pretty serious claim in saying they're not just *a*
spammer, they're *the* spammer. I'd liek to see something more
substantial that supports that claim. I don't want to paint an
innocent company (presumed to be) with the broad brush reserved for
Internet pariahs. There's nothing wrong with advertising, it's
unsolicited bulk sp@m 4 vi4gr4 that's distasteful.

--
Chris

[Jeffrey Watts]

Well, you said:
"I've heard allegations that AK is a spam house.  What is your response?"

You state that you heard an allegation that his company does something bad and then ask the OP to refute it.  Sure, it's a valid question to you, but it comes across a bit rude.

For example, if I asked you something like:
"I've heard allegations that you touch dogs inappropriately.  What is your response?"

No matter what you say, "touch dogs inappropriately" will always stick in people's minds.

Anyhow, I'm just asking that folks not be boorish.  Others might not want to share job opportunities on this list if there's a perception that they may get dragged into a discussion of their company's merits.

Jeffrey.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Kit Peters <pope...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 15:17, Jeffrey Watts <jeffrey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks, he's posting a job opening at a company he works at as a service to
> everyone else here.  The current discussion looks to be trending more
> towards an attack on AK rather than a valid discussion of the job opening.

I disagree. Ethical issues are a valid concern when considering
whether to even apply for open position. Allegations have been raised
about unethical conduct by AK; I think those allegations are worthy of
discussion in regard to the job posting.

Furthermore, I for one am by no means attacking the OP.  I am simply
asking for his response to the allegations of unethical conduct by his
employer.

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jeffrey Watts <jeffrey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, you said:
> "I've heard allegations that AK is a spam house.  What is your response?"
>
> You state that you heard an allegation that his company does something bad
> and then ask the OP to refute it.  Sure, it's a valid question to you, but
> it comes across a bit rude.
>
> For example, if I asked you something like:
> "I've heard allegations that you touch dogs inappropriately.  What is your
> response?"
>
> No matter what you say, "touch dogs inappropriately" will always stick in
> people's minds.
>
> Anyhow, I'm just asking that folks not be boorish.  Others might not want to
> share job opportunities on this list if there's a perception that they may
> get dragged into a discussion of their company's merits.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly the point I am
trying to make. From what I'm seeing on their site, from the job
description, and from Glen's posts, I feel this company is 100%
legitimate. If they are not, I'd like to see something more
substantial than veiled accusations of misconduct.

--
Chris

[Glenn Robuck]

Thanks for the step in Jeff, but in this instance I'm perfectly happy with answering questions regarding the nature of our business. 

Everyone has their own opinions, many people will have different opinions regarding online advertising.  Some people believe that if they don't like banner ads it's perfectly acceptable to block them, others believe that is a form of stealing.  To each their own. 

With that said, there is no way at all anyone could consider the business that Adknowledge does un-ethical in the slightest.  Only by "heresay" could that allegation ever even be raised.  I know courts don't necessarily determine ethical behavior, but we've only been sued once, and we won that case hands down.  In fact the person who took us to court was a serial lawsuit filer.  In the court proceedings though we had to detail our system and we passed all laws with flying colors.

What Adknowledge does people may not like but that doesn't make it unethical.  I wouldn't work here if we did anything unethical.

Glenn

[Glenn Robuck]

$70,000 - $90,000 is the salary range.

Glenn

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Glenn Robuck <techra...@gmail.com> wrote:

What Adknowledge does people may not like but that doesn't make it unethical.  I wouldn't work here if we did anything unethical.

I'd like to say that I absolutely support targeted and opt-in advertising.  If someone is offering something I am interested in, I want to know about it.  I receive email from MacMall daily about their deals.  Gmail displays targeted contextual ads when I am reading my email.  These are all opt-in and targeted to my and my interests.  That appears to be what Adknowledge is offering.

Like I said, it's not advertising that is the issue.  The issue is unsolicited sp@m 4 vi4gr4.

--
Chris

[Andrew Beals]

It was an awful thing to throw around.

There are a couple of "professional" mailings that I wonder how I got on - never bothered to nuke them b/c I found them interesting.

If you want to see where the real spam job postings are, just look on "getafreelancer":

Teach me how to create Phone Verified Accounts for Craigslis
http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/522679.html
Budget: $30-250, Employer: mrsideshow, Time: 10/06/2009 at 17:40 EDT
Categories: ASP , C/C++

Real Unblockable popup!!
http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/522691.html
Budget: $250-750, Employer: TrueCash, Time: 10/06/2009 at 17:50 EDT
Categories: C# , C/C++ , J2EE , Javascript , Joomla

Facebook mass friends adder programming problem to fix
http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/523449.html
Budget: $30-250, Employer: mikeyservices, Time: 10/07/2009 at 15:13 EDT
Categories: AJAX , Java , PHP , Software Architecture , Software Testing

Craigslist Poster
http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/523451.html
Budget: $250-750, Employer: AdelaMata, Time: 10/07/2009 at 15:18 EDT
Categories: C/C++

Also stuff such as CAPTCHA defeaters ... and some legit (but lowballed) "gigs" as well.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jeffrey Watts <jeffrey...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Eric Hall]

Speaking of spam, this thread is getting pretty close. ;)

Eric H

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From: Andrew Beals <andrew...@gmail.com>
To: kul...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 4:25:21 PM
Subject: [KULUA] Re: Open Position

[Adrian Griffis]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Eric Hall <jeste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of spam, this thread is getting pretty close. ;)

It's not, actually. I don't necessarily like every topic I see go by
on this list, but it just doesn't make sense to try to police the list
of such topics, unless there is a clear violation of policy on the
list. I understand your frustration, but I really don't think any
good can come of nit-picking too much about the various threads, here.

Adrian

[nick....@gmail.com]

Pirates are better than ninjas, freebsd is better than linux, vi is
better than emacs, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living
together...mass hysteria on KULUA!

-Nick

[Nick Anderson]

Eric Hall wrote:

Speaking of spam, this thread is getting pretty close. ;)

Ahh but its opt in ;)

[Eric Hall]

lol!

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From: Nick Anderson <ni...@anders0n.net>
To: kul...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 4:36:02 PM

Subject: [KULUA] Re: Open Position

[Chris Pemberton]

Glenn Robuck wrote:
> $70,000 - $90,000 is the salary range.
>
> Glenn
>
>

With that kind of change I could afford a new Rolex and some enlargement
pills!

[Nick Anderson]

Eric Hall wrote:

lol!

In more important news ....

My Windows House Party Kit just shipped!

I cant wait to have that special signature edition coaster. My beer mugs seem to sweat a lot, I would hate to have that water damage any of my linux boxes.

[Nick Anderson]

Chris Pemberton wrote:

With that kind of change I could afford a new Rolex and some enlargement 
pills

Why wait!. Get your 30 day trial of enzyte now.

You can be happy like BOB, ... and his wife.

[David Nicol]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Christofer C. Bell
<christof...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The "you" refers to you, David Nicol, not to Kit.  I'm looking for
> more substantiation that AdKnowledge is a *spammer* and not simply a
> successful ad hosting service.  From the looks of the job description
> requirements they're doing ad hosting for websites.  They do advertise
> bulk email services as well -- with the caveat that it's opt-in
> services (which I support).
>
> You make a pretty serious claim in saying they're not just *a*
> spammer, they're *the* spammer.  I'd liek to see something more
> substantial that supports that claim.  I don't want to paint an
> innocent company (presumed to be) with the broad brush reserved for
> Internet pariahs.  There's nothing wrong with advertising, it's
> unsolicited bulk sp@m 4 vi4gr4 that's distasteful.
>
> --
> Chris

I've already not gotten a job at Adknowledge, a few years ago. What I
saw in the very nice office space was a room full of people working
full time, on telephones, begging the e-mail administrators at hotmail
and yahoo to please take them off their block lists, again.

It looked like a nice place to work as a sysadmin, but I wouldn't want
to be one of the folks who has to continually explain to the policy
enforcers of the inbound MTAs of the world why they should please add
ak-specific exceptions to their statistical bulk filter rules, or
whatever they do.

I meant my "the, not a" in a good way. Really I did, and do.

[Glenn Robuck]

You have a very biased opinion of Adknowledge. 

Besides, if you interviewed more than 3 years ago the company that was Adknowledge then is not the company that is Adknowledge now.  Since then we've made 4 major acquisitions and grown over 400%.  It's simply not the same place it was.

We're a technology leader in the online advertising world, it's as simple as that.  Pre-judge all you want on the hearsay of people who have no first hand knowledge, but you can't overlook the simple fact that we lead our industry. 

Glenn

[David Nicol]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Glenn Robuck <techra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you can't overlook the simple fact that we lead our industry.
>
> Glenn

Right. Like I said, you're THE spammer.

[Andrew Beals]

Dude, it's 5pm.  Maybe some Bourbon would help?

[Andrew Beals]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM, nick....@gmail.com <nick....@gmail.com> wrote:

Pirates are better than ninjas,

I think I'm in love!
 

freebsd is better than linux,

Will you have my babies?

 

vi is
better than emacs,

*Oh*.  Nevermind.
 

[Kit Peters]

I was a contractor at Virtumundo. No idea about their spam qua Spam practices, but they assured me there was no actual spam happening.

On Oct 9, 2009 3:39 PM, "Matthew Welch" <mwe...@sunflowerbroadband.com> wrote:

Kit,

I saw that you used to work for Virtumundo, Inc. They are a BIG spam house. Results 1 - 10 of about 148,000 for Virtumundo spam compared to  Results 1 - 10 of about 37,300 for AdKnowledge spam. Whats up?

Matt

Nick Anderson wrote: > > Matthew Welch wrote: >> >> I don't think spam is unethical. Some people ...

[Paul Johnson]

Jeffrey Watts wrote:

> For example, if I asked you something like:
> "I've heard allegations that you touch dogs inappropriately. What is your response?"

Please define "inappropriate." Could you please provide a diagram
or photo :)

--
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Professor, Political Science http://pj.freefaculty.org
1541 Lilac Lane, Rm 504
University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086
Lawrence, Kansas 66044-3177 FAX: (785) 864-5700

[Scott Kahler]

Are you trying to figure out if you crossed the line?

[Rezty Felty]

So, getting back to the original posting, was it Feaker that left?  I gotta call him . . . .
Rezty Felty
SysAdmin
Sourcecorp

9133697789 Home Re...@KC-Felty.net
9136203683 Work 91362...@txt.att.net
MSN rusty...@hotmail.com
YIM HiRez_L
AIM HiRezL
ICQ 1932818
Googletalk Re...@KC-Felty.Net

[Glenn Robuck]

Feaker's been gone from Adknowledge for around 3 years.

Glenn

[Jeff T]

Opt in or not. This thread generated so much traffic that the corp
email system at work starting marking it as junk email.
Very very funny considering the topic.

Jeff T

[Rezty Felty]

Yeah, I was just IMing him and he reminded me he moved to Saepio 2 years ago.  For some reason I thought Adknowledge had morphed into Saepio.  Didn't Adknowledge used to have another name?

Rezty Felty
SysAdmin
Sourcecorp

9133697789 Home Re...@KC-Felty.net
9136203683 Work 91362...@txt.att.net
MSN rusty...@hotmail.com
YIM HiRez_L
AIM HiRezL
ICQ 1932818
Googletalk Re...@KC-Felty.Net

[Glenn Robuck]

Nope, Adknowledge has always been called Adknowledge since it's founding.

We have purchased a few other companies, Miva, Cubics, SuperRewards, HeadCase.

Glenn

[Kit Peters]

What about the Virtumundo split? Didn't VM hive off of AK at some
point in the past?

KP

[Glenn Robuck]

They were both founded by the same person, but one wasn't spun off of the other.  Virtumundo was first, then Adknowledge was formed separately.

Glenn

[wbealer]

Ha ... we're back to asking what the definition of "is" is.

If we asked the question "When did you stop beating your wife"?
Someone would ask what the definition of "beating" is.

Medieval Muslim philosopher Avicenna suggested a sure fire way to
correct someone who
denies the Law of Non contradiction.
He should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is
not the same as
not to be beaten and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned.
a bit extreme, but the point is well illustrated.

Some things just are. No question, no argument, only common sense.
Apply as needed for the relief of confusion, mystification
and related discomfort.

What a fun group. We needed a distraction from reaity.

WB

>-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

[Steve Nordquist]

> Medieval Muslim philosopher Avicenna suggested a sure fire way to
> correct someone who denies the Law of Non contradiction.
> He should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is
> not the same as not to be beaten and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned.
> a bit extreme, but the point is well illustrated.

There sure are a lot of Medieval Muslim Philosophy and Cooking shows
on TV networks lately.
Ah, diversity pays off!

Reviews of Mad Men are always going to be better than Mad Men itself;
I can't get to watching the series to decide whether it's a major
feature or fault.

[john joseph roets]

I love Nordquist.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Steve Nordquist <steve.n...@gmail.com> wrote:

There sure are a lot of Medieval Muslim Philosophy and Cooking shows
on TV networks lately.
Ah, diversity pays off!

Reviews of Mad Men are always going to be better than Mad Men itself;
I can't get to watching the series to decide whether it's a major
feature or fault.

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