How do you type an en dash in a file name?
Paul Johnson
Did you know there are 3 lengths of hypthen? dash (short), en dash (medium, width of "N"), em dash (long, width of "M").
I hope these come through in whatever encoding email uses these days. I see a big difference.
_-_ : that's two underscores with a single dash between
_�_ : that's two underscores with an en dash between
How do you type an "en dash" or an "em dash"?
I found these symbols in some file names and I can copy/paste to show you what they are, but can't figure how to make
my own.
In LaTeX, the en dash is required between two numbers, but LaTeX also gives a way to enter them. But in the more
general context, the terminal or an email client, well, I can't figure it out.
pj
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Andrew Scott Beals
On Jan 4, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> I found some funny file names on the internet, which sent me searching.
>
> Did you know there are 3 lengths of hypthen? dash (short), en dash (medium, width of "N"), em dash (long, width of "M").
>
> I hope these come through in whatever encoding email uses these days. I see a big difference.
>
> _-_ : that's two underscores with a single dash between
>
> _–_ : that's two underscores with an en dash between
>
>
> How do you type an "en dash" or an "em dash"?
>
> I found these symbols in some file names and I can copy/paste to show you what they are, but can't figure how to make
> my own.
>
> In LaTeX, the en dash is required between two numbers, but LaTeX also gives a way to enter them. But in the more
> general context, the terminal or an email client, well, I can't figure it out.
>
> pj
>
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Billy Crook
Don't. Please don't. I beg of you.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 21:18, Andrew Scott Beals <andrew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's easy with a Mac. En– Em—
It is also trivial on GNU. And I'll explain how to do it.
Type [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[u], then the number '2013' for endash (–), '2014'
for emdash (—).
There's nothing magical about endash and emdash. They're unicode just
like thousands of other graphemes.
You can technically use unicode in filenames. But please, don't. If
I catch you doing it on my computers, I will come after you.
Certain web cms software likes to turn double consecutive hyphens into
endashes or emdashes when the page is rendered to visitors. This is
completely unacceptable because when the author documents a GNU+Linux
command that involves a double-dash argument (like rsync
--exclude=/proc .....) and then someone else comes there to get that
command and use it in a terminal, unless they're hand typing it out
again, bash will freak out when it is fed invalid unicode dashes from
the clipboard.
Please do not abuse unicode.
Paul Johnson
>> How do you type an en dash in a file name?
>
> Don't. Please don't. I beg of you.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 21:18, Andrew Scott Beals <andrew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is also trivial on GNU. And I'll explain how to do it.
>
> for emdash (�).
>
In an MLTerm, I do that, and just see 2013 on the command line.
So I think that means you have fiddled your input system, with SCiM or something such. Right?
pj
--
lowell
enter to turn the numerals into the dash.)
On 01/04/2011 09:40 PM, Billy Crook wrote:
>> How do you type an en dash in a file name?
> Don't. Please don't. I beg of you.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 21:18, Andrew Scott Beals<andrew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's easy with a Mac. En� Em�
> It is also trivial on GNU. And I'll explain how to do it.
>
> Type [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[u], then the number '2013' for endash (�), '2014'
> for emdash (�).
Billy Crook
> In an MLTerm, I do that, and just see 2013 on the command line.
>
> So I think that means you have fiddled your input system, with SCiM or something such. Right?
I'm using Gnome Terminal. Handling these sort of "alt codes" seems to
work the same in all GTK programs. It fails in xterm, ktorrent, and
tty2.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 22:20, lowell <low...@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> both 2013 & 2014 give me the same-sized mark: " – " (I have to hit enter to
> turn the numerals into the dash.)
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Enter submits it. I bet em and en
dash simply are the same size in your fontface.
Again, boo hiss unicode, bad, don't do it.
Paul Johnson
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 22:08, Paul Johnson <paul...@ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>> So I think that means you have fiddled your input system, with SCiM or something such. Right?
>
> work the same in all GTK programs. It fails in xterm, ktorrent, and
> tty2.
>
I've reached the same conclusion. It depends on the program. Most Gnome/GTK things (gnome-terminal, gedit) use the
S+C+U NNNN approach. That also works in the Nautilus file manager's rename panel. xterm does nothing about it, Emacs
has its own unique scheme, C-8, but that depends on whether your keyboard is American English or American English (with
dead keys). The XFCE file manager Thunar DOES respond to C+S+U. KDE must have its own scheme entirely, as none of these
approaches work in their file manager dolphin.
Well, in the end, it is another case of situation normal, all f*cked up.
Nick Anderson
> I found some funny file names on the internet, which sent me searching.
>
> Did you know there are 3 lengths of hypthen? dash (short), en dash (medium, width of "N"), em dash (long, width of "M").
>
> I hope these come through in whatever encoding email uses these days. I see a big difference.
>
> _-_ : that's two underscores with a single dash between
>
> _�_ : that's two underscores with an en dash between
>
>
> How do you type an "en dash" or an "em dash"?
>
> I found these symbols in some file names and I can copy/paste to show you what they are, but can't figure how to make
> my own.
>
> In LaTeX, the en dash is required between two numbers, but LaTeX also gives a way to enter them. But in the more
> general context, the terminal or an email client, well, I can't figure it out.
The simple way is to use a character map if you dont do it very often.
The gnome variant is gucharmap.
To actually type the characters you will need to enter a special
keystroke combination. I think its the unicode value at least in gnome,
at any rate you can see the special incantation in the character map.
hold ctrl + shift while typing the code
example ctrl+shift U2014 == em dash �
and ctrl+shift U2013 == en dash �
At least for me it underlines the text as I am typing it and when you
release the ctrl+shift it pops in the correct character.
Nick Andrson
Sent from my mobile
On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Nick Anderson <ni...@cmdln.org> wrote:
> On 01/04/2011 09:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> I found some funny file names on the internet, which sent me searching.
>>
>> Did you know there are 3 lengths of hypthen? dash (short), en dash (medium, width of "N"), em dash (long, width of "M").
>>
>> I hope these come through in whatever encoding email uses these days. I see a big difference.
>>
>> _-_ : that's two underscores with a single dash between
>>
>> _–_ : that's two underscores with an en dash between
>>
>>
>> How do you type an "en dash" or an "em dash"?
>>
>> I found these symbols in some file names and I can copy/paste to show you what they are, but can't figure how to make
>> my own.
>>
>> In LaTeX, the en dash is required between two numbers, but LaTeX also gives a way to enter them. But in the more
>> general context, the terminal or an email client, well, I can't figure it out.
>
> The simple way is to use a character map if you dont do it very often.
> The gnome variant is gucharmap.
>
> To actually type the characters you will need to enter a special
> keystroke combination. I think its the unicode value at least in gnome,
> at any rate you can see the special incantation in the character map.
>
> hold ctrl + shift while typing the code
>
> example ctrl+shift U2014 == em dash —
> and ctrl+shift U2013 == en dash –
>
> At least for me it underlines the text as I am typing it and when you
> release the ctrl+shift it pops in the correct character.
>
Steve Nordquist
empty-block UTF-16 placeholder characters....
The CMS converting dieresis and dashes isn't something that makes much
sense for presentation of code, not to say it isn't named ColdFusion
CMS or styled amain. How do you file all your chop socky and
bollywood flicks, (or rather the Summer Olympics from 2010) anyhow?
And why shouldn't all those glyphs be considered regex generics,
really?
#> pts/3's admin, damejudydensch, has changed status to RAGEQUIT.
Oops, gotta...write some checkfiles named with backticks or ranges or something.
w--
Why not just use the metacharacter that wishes for more
Karl Schmidt
So, I'm looking at what is available - (I need a static for some things I do).
U-verse is available - they have a box across the street.. There seems to be quite a mess with
dealing with their required router box.
Years ago I looked into Sunflower and they had a very high charge to use a static ( $140/mo?).
Wondering if others here in Lawrence that might have been exposed to both might have some feedback?
I'm not sure, but it looks like I would have to go with business rates to get a static IP with
U-verse - not sure what games they play with that at Sunflower. Hmm Sunflower has caps - 250
What I had worked - worked well - few outages - good speed.
The bit I've heard is Sunflower (that is under new management ) has good support - ATT bad support,
but if you get things working U-verse might be the better deal.
Love to hear any current u-verse internet only users..
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Karl Schmidt
> I use Sunflower, and do some personal hosting, what I've found over 5
> years+ of using them is that the "dynamic" works just fine, my IP never
> changes unless I change the NIC my cablemodem is attached to . . . which
> has happened maybe 3 times?
Yes - I know about DDNS, but I have to use a static due to an agreement.
What kind of upload speeds do you get? - looks like no way to go over 1Mb/sec
What do you think of their service - Know anything about AT&Fee's U-verse?
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3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089
Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434
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Billy Crook
On Jan 9, 2011 9:23 PM, "Karl Schmidt" <ka...@xtronics.com> wrote
> Yes - I know about DDNS, but I have to use a static due to an agreement.
If your agreement does not also specify v4, you can get a static v6 network from hurricane electric for gratis.
Frank Wiles
>
> Years ago I looked into Sunflower and they had a very high charge to use a
> static ( $140/mo?).
I've got a static and it's only $15/month, granted on that's on my
personal account and I believe one comes included with the business
plans.
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David Nicol
<steve.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And why shouldn't all those glyphs be considered regex generics,
> really?
in Perl they are, and furthermore if the unicode consortium has
declared a group of characters like "DASHLIKE CHARACTERS" it is
available by that name with a standard name wrapping syntax, in teh
regexen.
Jeffrey Watts
Kendric Beachey
The TV side is where my gripes are. Anyone who's been using TiVo for a long time and then had to deal with the uverse DVR knows what I'm talking about. If SureWest builds down to my neighborhood, I'm jumping ship.
Kendric Beachey
Andrew Scott Beals
On Jan 4, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Billy Crook wrote:
>> How do you type an en dash in a file name?
>
> Don't. Please don't. I beg of you.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 21:18, Andrew Scott Beals <andrew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's easy with a Mac. En– Em—
>
> It is also trivial on GNU. And I'll explain how to do it.
>
> Type [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[u], then the number '2013' for endash (–), '2014'
> for emdash (—).
That's trivial? OSX is Option - for En and Option Shift - for Em.
> You can technically use unicode in filenames. But please, don't. If
> I catch you doing it on my computers, I will come after you.
Let's talk about spaces in directory names and programs that don't quote properly, like rsync, not to mention thousands of silly shell and perl scripts…
> Certain web cms software likes to turn double consecutive hyphens into
> endashes or emdashes when the page is rendered to visitors. This is
> completely unacceptable because
it's a broken behaviour.
> Please do not abuse unicode.
ಠ_ಠ
Karl Schmidt
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Karl Schmidt<ka...@xtronics.com> wrote:
>>
>> Years ago I looked into Sunflower and they had a very high charge to use a
>> static ( $140/mo?).
>
> I've got a static and it's only $15/month, granted on that's on my
> personal account and I believe one comes included with the business
> plans.
>
What kind of connection do they use - would I just configure Ethernet or have to mess with PPPoE?
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Karl Schmidt
> I'm a uverse "internet and TV" user. The internet side has been
> fine...the router is actually not bad, has plenty of controls, but I did
> run into trouble when I tried to do fancy stuff like forwarding
> different ports to different machines. I'm no longer trying to pass any
> ports through, just browsing/emailing/etc, and it all works OK.
I have already dug into that - it appears their Router (no choices) that uses (abuses?) ARP to limit
each Ethernet MAC address to just one IP.
The workaround would be using vetd - Virtual Ethernet Device - I have notes about it (by someone
else) stashed here.
http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/U-verse_notes
Trying to find out what my interface to sunflower would be with a static - would I still have to use
PPPoE?
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Paul Espinosa
>
> Trying to find out what my interface to sunflower would be with a static -
> would I still have to use PPPoE?
>
No.