KDE 4.8.1 showstopper - for me at least
O. Sinclair
that - so if you are not you may not be interested.
In short - I have tried 4.8.1 on stable 11.10 and beta 12.04 Kubuntu. In
both cases I can not get KMail and KAddressbook to function together.
On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in
the "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with
suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc)
that I have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via
the "select" button next the address field.
I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone
else has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am
on 4.7.4 until I hear that this works...
Best,
Sinclair
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Mark Greenwood
On 15 Mar 2012, at 08:45, O. Sinclair wrote:
> For starters I use Kontact/KMail and the bug in question is related to that - so if you are not you may not be interested.
>
> In short - I have tried 4.8.1 on stable 11.10 and beta 12.04 Kubuntu. In both cases I can not get KMail and KAddressbook to function together.
>
> On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in the "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc) that I have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via the "select" button next the address field.
>
> I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone else has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am on 4.7.4 until I hear that this works...
>
> Best,
> Sinclair
I can only confirm that I have similar behaviour, although I did a great deal of messing around with creating new address books in various ways and now when I type into the 'To' field, everything crashes.
:( Not good.
Mark
ensa...@gmail.com
The bug that you have explain is not a kmail bug but unfortunally is an OS bug. We will try to resolve this problem...but you can try to use a stable mod of kubuntu ( 11.10 ).
Personally kmail never crash in my kubuntu 11.10.
So, we will work about this bug. Thanks for contuct us.
Bye, Mirko.
Inviato da HTC
ensa...@gmail.com
This is an OS bug...WE will work about this.
Thanks for contact us. Please contuct us for another bug.
Bhe
O. Sinclair
I AM using 11.10 w 4.7.4 and will do so until I hear this is solved - or
if I hear it works on other distros I might actually swap distro as this
is very important function to me.
IF it is Kubuntu-related I sure hope it is fixed before LTS 12.04 release
Best
Sinclair
O. Sinclair
I AM using 11.10 w KDE 4.7.4 and will do so until I hear this is solved
- or if I hear it works on other distros I might actually swap distro as
this is very important function to me.
IF it is Kubuntu-related I sure hope it is fixed before LTS 12.04 release
Best
Sinclair
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ensa...@gmail.com
Bye
Bruce Marshall
> I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone
> else has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am
> on 4.7.4 until I hear that this works...
kmail has been a real pain as far as addresses go. There are many
incantations you can try to get things to work.
I finally have it all working here (first character starts a list from both
recent addresses and 'personal contacts') but I couldn't for the world tell
you how I got there.
It mostly has to do with akonadi and resources.
O. Sinclair
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:45:17 AM O. Sinclair wrote:
>> I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone
>> else has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am
>> on 4.7.4 until I hear that this works...
>
> kmail has been a real pain as far as addresses go. There are many
> incantations you can try to get things to work.
>
> I finally have it all working here (first character starts a list from both
> recent addresses and 'personal contacts') but I couldn't for the world tell
> you how I got there.
>
> It mostly has to do with akonadi and resources.
>
>
>
Bruce - is that on KDE 4.8.x or 4.7.4 or what? Asking cause in 4.7.4 it
works and when it botches out I know how to fix it.
Sinclair
Bruce Marshall
> Bruce - is that on KDE 4.8.x or 4.7.4 or what? Asking cause in 4.7.4 it
> works and when it botches out I know how to fix it.
11.10 and 4.7.4
O. Sinclair
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 02:10:28 PM O. Sinclair wrote:
>> Bruce - is that on KDE 4.8.x or 4.7.4 or what? Asking cause in 4.7.4 it
>> works and when it botches out I know how to fix it.
>
> 11.10 and 4.7.4
>
>
>
>
4.8.x is when completion disappears totally and I find no way to sort it
out.
As I am kind of looking forward to 12.04 this is really irritating me
(obviously also that I can not go up in KDE version).
O. Sinclair
>> Bruce - is that on KDE 4.8.x or 4.7.4 or what? Asking cause in 4.7.4 it
>> works and when it botches out I know how to fix it.
>
> 11.10 and 4.7.4
>
>
>
>
4.8.x is when completion disappears totally and I find no way to sort it
out.
As I am kind of looking forward to 12.04 this is really irritating me
(obviously also that I can not go up in KDE version).
--
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:15 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For starters I use Kontact/KMail and the bug in question is related to that
> - so if you are not you may not be interested.
>
> In short - I have tried 4.8.1 on stable 11.10 and beta 12.04 Kubuntu. In
> both cases I can not get KMail and KAddressbook to function together.
>
> On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in the
> "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with
> suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc) that I
> have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via the "select"
> button next the address field.
>
> I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone else
> has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am on 4.7.4
> until I hear that this works...
Yes, it is a general bug, at last, solved:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295474
I patched my kdelibs with that patch: and the problem went away.
People at kubuntu: can you produce an updated kdelibs package with the
patch included? or should we wait for 4.8.1.
Applying the patch is simple for anyone with experience building
debian/ubuntu packages.
Ildefonso.
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
<ildefons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:15 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For starters I use Kontact/KMail and the bug in question is related to that
>> - so if you are not you may not be interested.
>>
>> In short - I have tried 4.8.1 on stable 11.10 and beta 12.04 Kubuntu. In
>> both cases I can not get KMail and KAddressbook to function together.
>>
>> On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in the
>> "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with
>> suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc) that I
>> have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via the "select"
>> button next the address field.
>>
>> I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone else
>> has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am on 4.7.4
>> until I hear that this works...
>
> Yes, it is a general bug, at last, solved:
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295474
>
> I patched my kdelibs with that patch: and the problem went away.
>
> People at kubuntu: can you produce an updated kdelibs package with the
> patch included? or should we wait for 4.8.1.
err... 4.8.2, typo!
O. Sinclair
> Hi all!
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:15 AM, O. Sinclair<o.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For starters I use Kontact/KMail and the bug in question is related to that
>> - so if you are not you may not be interested.
>>
>> In short - I have tried 4.8.1 on stable 11.10 and beta 12.04 Kubuntu. In
>> both cases I can not get KMail and KAddressbook to function together.
>>
>> On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in the
>> "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with
>> suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc) that I
>> have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via the "select"
>> button next the address field.
>>
>> I would LOVE to have confirmed if this is a general bug or if someone else
>> has it working - in which case I have to find out how. If not I am on 4.7.4
>> until I hear that this works...
>
> Yes, it is a general bug, at last, solved:
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295474
>
> I patched my kdelibs with that patch: and the problem went away.
>
> People at kubuntu: can you produce an updated kdelibs package with the
> patch included? or should we wait for 4.8.1.
>
> Applying the patch is simple for anyone with experience building
> debian/ubuntu packages.
>
> Ildefonso.
>
non-functioning address completion. Are you sure the bugs are related?
Sinclair
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Sorry, answered to wrong message.. I should have answered to
ensa...@gmail.com, about the crash and all. I'm using 4.8.1.
And yes: address book seems to be broken for now (It won't
automatically complete addresses from address books).
Ildefonso.
Jerry Lapham
> On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in
> the "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with
> suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc)
> that I have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via
> the "select" button next the address field.
Heck, distribution lists don't work here in KDE 4.6.5 on Kubuntu 11.04. I've
given up and use templates containing the email addresses.
-Jerry
=============================================
Jerry Lapham
Monroe, OH 45050
rjla...@gmail.com
=============================================
Trackball: a mouse that went belly up.
O. Sinclair
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 04:45:17 AM O. Sinclair wrote:
>
>> On writing a new email I type the first letters of an email address in
>> the "To" (or CC, BCC etc) field - "recent addresses" will come up with
>> suggestions but not Personal Contacts or ANY addressbook (vcard etc)
>> that I have tried. Distribution lists do not work, even if chosen via
>> the "select" button next the address field.
>
> Heck, distribution lists don't work here in KDE 4.6.5 on Kubuntu 11.04. I've
> given up and use templates containing the email addresses.
>
> -Jerry
> =============================================
> Jerry Lapham
> Monroe, OH 45050
> rjla...@gmail.com
> =============================================
> Trackball: a mouse that went belly up.
>
missing every time nepomuk crash really bad so I have to recreate them
now and then
Myriam Schweingruber
...
>
> well well, on forums.kde.org a developer claims that this was deliberately
> removed to "complete transfer to Akonadi" but is back in "trunk". But will
> not be back in main code until 4.9...
Could you please provide a link to that forum thread? I can't find a
post stating it was deliberately removed so far.
Regards, Myriam
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Myriam Schweingruber
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:27, O. Sinclair <o.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>>
>> well well, on forums.kde.org a developer claims that this was deliberately
>> removed to "complete transfer to Akonadi" but is back in "trunk". But will
>> not be back in main code until 4.9...
>
> Could you please provide a link to that forum thread? I can't find a
> post stating it was deliberately removed so far.
Nevermind, found it: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=100742
/me wonders how they can ship that and then be astonished end-users complain...
O. Sinclair
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:39, Myriam Schweingruber<myr...@kubuntu.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:27, O. Sinclair<o.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> well well, on forums.kde.org a developer claims that this was deliberately
>>> removed to "complete transfer to Akonadi" but is back in "trunk". But will
>>> not be back in main code until 4.9...
>>
>> Could you please provide a link to that forum thread? I can't find a
>> post stating it was deliberately removed so far.
>
> Nevermind, found it: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=100742
>
> /me wonders how they can ship that and then be astonished end-users complain...
>
> Regards, Myriam
>
http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=100742
disabled - not removed. But effect for us users is the same
Basil Chupin
> On 23/03/12 11:51, Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:39, Myriam
>> Schweingruber<myr...@kubuntu.org> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:27, O. Sinclair<o.sin...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> well well, on forums.kde.org a developer claims that this was
>>>> deliberately
>>>> removed to "complete transfer to Akonadi" but is back in "trunk".
>>>> But will
>>>> not be back in main code until 4.9...
>>>
>>> Could you please provide a link to that forum thread? I can't find a
>>> post stating it was deliberately removed so far.
>>
>> Nevermind, found it: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=100742
>>
>> /me wonders how they can ship that and then be astonished end-users
>> complain...
>>
>> Regards, Myriam
>>
> You are not the only one Myriam...
> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=100742
>
> disabled - not removed. But effect for us users is the same
As it is with all Linux distros, there are other options available.
Unless you have a VERY particular reason to use kmail - which, in this
case, is not working for you anyway - then why not use Thunderbird?
Latest version out is v11.0.
"Why keep doing it if it hurts?"
BC
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When I came back I gave her the packet of slimming pills.
I am still looking for somewhere to live.
Basil Chupin
> Hi!
I have been using Thunderbird since it was first known as a component of
Netscape. I have never found it to be slow.
So I am wondering why you consider it to be "slow" - a term which, as
mentioned here, appears to be a relative term :-) . Why do you think
that it is slow?
> but due that kmail now have
> this annoying issue that it just "disconnects" and doesn't get new
> emails after a while (after 1~3 hours, unpredictable), and I have to
> close it and re-open to get it going again, I guess I have no way out
> but to go back to thunderbird (evolution is not in good shape right
> now either).
>
>> "Why keep doing it if it hurts?"
> well, thunderbird hurts too, only not on so important areas
So it only hurts only on those unimportant points, right? :-) .
Again, could you please mention what these points are where TB "hurts".
> .... at
> least it will get new emails.
Well, it seems to me a very good reason then to use it, right? :-D
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Sure, I have a mail filter configured, and I get ~500 mails a day and
that filter have to parse them, while Thunderbird get the mails, apply
the filter, and move the messages to another folder, it doesn't
respond.. and it can take up to 3 minutes (usually ~1 minute, but can
be more).... kmail is faster doing this (and doesn't becomes
unresponsive).
>
>
>
>> but due that kmail now have
>> this annoying issue that it just "disconnects" and doesn't get new
>> emails after a while (after 1~3 hours, unpredictable), and I have to
>> close it and re-open to get it going again, I guess I have no way out
>> but to go back to thunderbird (evolution is not in good shape right
>> now either).
>>
>>> "Why keep doing it if it hurts?"
>>
>> well, thunderbird hurts too, only not on so important areas
>
>
> So it only hurts only on those unimportant points, right? :-) .
>
> Again, could you please mention what these points are where TB "hurts".
Slowness, that's the most important to me...
Another is the fact that it does illogical things while dealing with
attachments, I hasn't really tested this with kmail yet (just forgot
to do it, but I will), because this problem was reported by a customer
who have very slow Internet links, and uses Windows, I verified this
on Linux TB too:
1. It will either: completely download all attachments, or download no
attachments at all (no "maximum download" that works, like k9 mail
(android)).
2. If you can make it to *not* download the attachments initially, and
you open an attachment, it will download the attachment from the imap
server, but if you want to open the same attachment again later: it
will download it again!!!! (I don't want to save disk, I want to save
bandwidth)....no good.
>
>
>> .... at
>> least it will get new emails.
>
>
> Well, it seems to me a very good reason then to use it, right? :-D
Right, that's why I'm going back to it for now.
Ildefonso.
O. Sinclair
so I prefer KMail/Kontact. I will simply stay on the current version (in
my case 4.7.4) until this is fixed. What baffles me is how a version
with this function (that I consider basic) disabled was released.
Basil Chupin
As I mentioned, I have never used kmail and do not know what this
"Kontact" you mention does. But doing a search in the TB Addos on the
word "kontact" produces SyncKolab.
BC
--
Q. What did you do wrong if your wife keeps coming out of the kitchen to nag you?
A. You made the chain too long.
O. Sinclair
Calendar and a few others (configurable).
Basil Chupin
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Basil Chupin<blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
[pruned]
>> I have been using Thunderbird since it was first known as a component of
>> Netscape. I have never found it to be slow.
>>
>> So I am wondering why you consider it to be "slow" - a term which, as
>> mentioned here, appears to be a relative term :-) . Why do you think that it
>> is slow?
> Sure, I have a mail filter configured, and I get ~500 mails a day and
> that filter have to parse them, while Thunderbird get the mails, apply
> the filter, and move the messages to another folder, it doesn't
> respond..
I am not sure what you are saying here - "it doesn't respond".
I get around 300 e-mail each day and as they are downloaded from my ISP
the instantly go into the various folders specified by the message
filter. They don't first go into a holding area from which they are then
moved by the filter - as they arrive they are immediately sent to the
appropriate folder.
And the only thing which holds me up sometimes is when someone sends me
a massive attachment to an e-mail (and I wish that they would stop doing
this, but friends are friends...... :-) ). Or when my ISP is having a
hassle and sends me the mail very slowly because of the glitch in 'his'
sysem.
> and it can take up to 3 minutes (usually ~1 minute, but can
> be more).... kmail is faster doing this (and doesn't becomes
> unresponsive).
"unresponsive" again. What do you mean by this, please?
>>> but due that kmail now have
>>> this annoying issue that it just "disconnects" and doesn't get new
>>> emails after a while (after 1~3 hours, unpredictable), and I have to
>>> close it and re-open to get it going again, I guess I have no way out
>>> but to go back to thunderbird (evolution is not in good shape right
>>> now either).
>>>
>>>> "Why keep doing it if it hurts?"
>>> well, thunderbird hurts too, only not on so important areas
>> So it only hurts only on those unimportant points, right? :-) .
>>
>> Again, could you please mention what these points are where TB "hurts".
> Slowness, that's the most important to me...
I think that here I have to ask the question: how fast is your broadband
connection? and which *version* of Thunderbird are you referring to?
The other question is: are you comparing Thunderbird with your Kmail on
the SAME computer or is one installed on one machine and the other on
another, different computer?
> Another is the fact that it does illogical things while dealing with
> attachments, I hasn't really tested this with kmail yet (just forgot
> to do it, but I will), because this problem was reported by a customer
> who have very slow Internet links, and uses Windows, I verified this
> on Linux TB too:
>
> 1. It will either: completely download all attachments, or download no
> attachments at all (no "maximum download" that works, like k9 mail
> (android)).
> 2. If you can make it to *not* download the attachments initially, and
> you open an attachment, it will download the attachment from the imap
> server, but if you want to open the same attachment again later: it
> will download it again!!!! (I don't want to save disk, I want to save
> bandwidth)....no good.
I have to admit that you have me kinda confused right here :-) .
Are we talking here about some Windows rubbish or Thunderbird in Linux?
Or are you talking here about Thunderbird in both Windows and Linux?
There is a setting in TB which tells the ISP's server to either keep
everything or delete it when it is downloaded. What is this set to in TB?
Just out of interest, I was on dial-up for many years and it was during
this time that I started using Thunderbird in its original 'form' called
Netscape. Never in that time I had hassles with what you are describing.
I suspect that your friend has some problems with the system
installation and/or the ISP. (Just as an aside, I was with one "big
player" of an ISP here in Australia and I had nothing but *trouble* with
connections/disconnections - and this was on broadband! So I changed
ISPs and now am enjoying myself (and have been for 4 years).
>>> .... at
>>> least it will get new emails.
>> Well, it seems to me a very good reason then to use it, right? :-D
> Right, that's why I'm going back to it for now.
That's the spirit! :-) . Never give up :-) .
BC
--
Q. What did you do wrong if your wife keeps coming out of the kitchen to nag you?
A. You made the chain too long.
Basil Chupin
> On 25/03/12 08:11, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned, I have never used kmail and do not know what this
>> "Kontact" you mention does. But doing a search in the TB Addos on the
>> word "kontact" produces SyncKolab.
>>
>> BC
>>
>>
> Kontact is a kind of Outlook - it merges KMail, KAdressbook,
> Akregator, Calendar and a few others (configurable).
Ah, OK. I am sure that I have come across something which does these
things as an alternative to Kmail but cannot remember what that was, or
when I read it. If I come across it in my "travels" I'll let you know.
BC
--
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Niccolo Machiavelli
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
> On 24/03/12 00:47, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Basil Chupin<blch...@iinet.net.au>
>> wrote:
>
>
> [pruned]
>
>
>
>>> I have been using Thunderbird since it was first known as a component of
>>> Netscape. I have never found it to be slow.
>>>
>>> So I am wondering why you consider it to be "slow" - a term which, as
>>> mentioned here, appears to be a relative term :-) . Why do you think that
>>> it
>>> is slow?
>>
>> Sure, I have a mail filter configured, and I get ~500 mails a day and
>> that filter have to parse them, while Thunderbird get the mails, apply
>> the filter, and move the messages to another folder, it doesn't
>> respond..
>
>
> I am not sure what you are saying here - "it doesn't respond".
Just that: it doesn't respond... it is "stuck". I have 5 imap mail
accounts configured there, and 500 emails to filter on one of these
(~750 received) is enough to keep Thunderbird busy (as in: it will not
let me type the password for the other account) for quite some time,
until it finish filtering the mails (or just allows for *very slow*
typing, showing two characters very 10 seconds or so).
>
> I get around 300 e-mail each day and as they are downloaded from my ISP the
> instantly go into the various folders specified by the message filter. They
> don't first go into a holding area from which they are then moved by the
> filter - as they arrive they are immediately sent to the appropriate folder.
good it work so great for you, for me: it is *really* slow, maybe
because I configured it to download all messages locally, and I'm
using 5 IMAP mail accounts.
>
> And the only thing which holds me up sometimes is when someone sends me a
> massive attachment to an e-mail (and I wish that they would stop doing this,
> but friends are friends...... :-) ). Or when my ISP is having a hassle and
> sends me the mail very slowly because of the glitch in 'his' sysem.
But thunderbird will respond under that circumstances, this happens
mainly on the first startup in the morning (because it have to filter
a lot of messages), after that: I don't even note it is there (but
hey: I got a 4 core AMD A8, with 16GB RAM).
>
>
>
>> and it can take up to 3 minutes (usually ~1 minute, but can
>> be more).... kmail is faster doing this (and doesn't becomes
>> unresponsive).
>
>
> "unresponsive" again. What do you mean by this, please?
That it won't respond to keypresses or mouse clicks (it is asking me
for the password for the other account, and I type, and it doesn't
show the characters after some time, ie: really slow, I consider it
stuck).
>
>
>
>>>> but due that kmail now have
>>>> this annoying issue that it just "disconnects" and doesn't get new
>>>> emails after a while (after 1~3 hours, unpredictable), and I have to
>>>> close it and re-open to get it going again, I guess I have no way out
>>>> but to go back to thunderbird (evolution is not in good shape right
>>>> now either).
>>>>
>>>>> "Why keep doing it if it hurts?"
>>>>
>>>> well, thunderbird hurts too, only not on so important areas
>>>
>>> So it only hurts only on those unimportant points, right? :-) .
>>>
>>> Again, could you please mention what these points are where TB "hurts".
>>
>> Slowness, that's the most important to me...
>
>
>
> I think that here I have to ask the question: how fast is your broadband
> connection? and which *version* of Thunderbird are you referring to?
10Mbps right now, it used to be 1Mbps, and TB 11.0. On both
connections the response time is pretty much the same (looking at
gkrellm's bw graph, I can clearly see that bandwidth is not an issue
here).
>
> The other question is: are you comparing Thunderbird with your Kmail on the
> SAME computer or is one installed on one machine and the other on another,
> different computer?
Of course I'm comparing on the same computer! do you think I'm a newbe
or what? (just fyi, I have been around computing world for 23 years
now.
>
>
>
>> Another is the fact that it does illogical things while dealing with
>> attachments, I hasn't really tested this with kmail yet (just forgot
>> to do it, but I will), because this problem was reported by a customer
>> who have very slow Internet links, and uses Windows, I verified this
>> on Linux TB too:
>>
>> 1. It will either: completely download all attachments, or download no
>> attachments at all (no "maximum download" that works, like k9 mail
>> (android)).
>> 2. If you can make it to *not* download the attachments initially, and
>> you open an attachment, it will download the attachment from the imap
>> server, but if you want to open the same attachment again later: it
>> will download it again!!!! (I don't want to save disk, I want to save
>> bandwidth)....no good.
Please, bear in mind this is not a problem for *me*, it was a problem
for one of my customers, see, I just configure TB to fully download
all messages, and I'm happy, after all: my Internet connection is fast
enough, but they have some offices with 256kbps connections, and 10
people there, so, if they were to send a 2MB attachment to each of
these 10 persons, they would download it 10 times!, so, I tried to
make TB *not* download the full message (had to disable junk checks,
and a lot of other things that I can't remember right now), and ok: it
stopped download the attachment, but now then: it would download "on
request", and never store it locally... which is not smart, in my
opinion: if you already downloaded a static content (mail attachment),
it should be stored on local cache: well, TB doesn't do that.
>
>
> I have to admit that you have me kinda confused right here :-) .
>
> Are we talking here about some Windows rubbish or Thunderbird in Linux? Or
> are you talking here about Thunderbird in both Windows and Linux?
Thunderbird on BOTH Windows AND Linux. As a matter of fact, I had a
thread on TB forums about it: no solution was possible.... it is
amazing that a mobile mail app can have more logical than TB :( .
>
> There is a setting in TB which tells the ISP's server to either keep
> everything or delete it when it is downloaded. What is this set to in TB?
That's for pop, try imap. And, about pop: there was an option to just
download headers, but then, I had to download the full message to read
it (including attachments, and 70% of the time the person didn't need
to open the attachment).
>
> Just out of interest, I was on dial-up for many years and it was during this
> time that I started using Thunderbird in its original 'form' called
> Netscape. Never in that time I had hassles with what you are describing. I
> suspect that your friend has some problems with the system installation
> and/or the ISP. (Just as an aside, I was with one "big player" of an ISP
> here in Australia and I had nothing but *trouble* with
> connections/disconnections - and this was on broadband! So I changed ISPs
> and now am enjoying myself (and have been for 4 years).
Yeah, my too: I also started using it as part of Netscape (Netscape
Communicator suite, iirc), a loong time ago.
>
>
>
>
>>>> .... at
>>>> least it will get new emails.
>>>
>>> Well, it seems to me a very good reason then to use it, right? :-D
>>
>> Right, that's why I'm going back to it for now.
>
>
> That's the spirit! :-) . Never give up :-) .
>
>
> BC
>
Ildefonso.
Basil Chupin
>>
>> I am going to respond very quickly as I am about to fall out of my chair and
>> fall asleep :-) .
>>
>> But why would you need to type in your password for each account? TB stores
>> the password for each account and doesn't require you to type in it each
>> time.
> two reasons:
>
> 1. Keep passwords fresh in my mind (for webmail access, or other things).
> 2. Because I just don't like storing passwords, I feel safer without storing it.
But you can use a Master Password to be able to see what the passwords
are so only you can look at them if you need to, say, alter any password.
> The other thing - and here I have cut out a lot of what you wrote - is: have
> you looked in TB at-
>
> Edit>Preferences>Attachments
>
> and in the Advice column you, by clicking on the little pointing down
> triangle, select to Delete attachments of particular types -eg, pdf, or jpeg
> and so on?
> Because I don't want to delete the attachments! my customer (not me)
> just want the attachment to be downloaded when you need it, and after
> being downloaded for the first time, it should be stored on the local
> message (ie: download the attachment is needed, but only the first
> time).
OK, then set - which I didn't have the time to mention last night - the
Advice to ASK in which case you can either accept or reject the Attachment.
BC
--
The more sand has escaped from the hourglass of our life, the clearer we should see through it.
Niccolo Machiavelli
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
still, I would lose "password freshness" in my memory. Sometimes I'm
somewhere, I need to access webmail asap: no access to my machine, and
thus no access to password store.
>
>
>
>
>> The other thing - and here I have cut out a lot of what you wrote - is:
>> have
>> you looked in TB at-
>>
>> Edit>Preferences>Attachments
>>
>> and in the Advice column you, by clicking on the little pointing down
>> triangle, select to Delete attachments of particular types -eg, pdf, or
>> jpeg
>> and so on?
>> Because I don't want to delete the attachments! my customer (not me)
>> just want the attachment to be downloaded when you need it, and after
>> being downloaded for the first time, it should be stored on the local
>> message (ie: download the attachment is needed, but only the first
>> time).
>
>
> OK, then set - which I didn't have the time to mention last night - the
> Advice to ASK in which case you can either accept or reject the Attachment.
I would have to read more about it, but I believe it is not exactly
what I need. I'll give it a try later. I can't even see how to add
anything to that list anyway right now.
Ildefonso.