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This is basically the thesis of my kubecon talk.
I like the idea that LTS is not upgradable. I am not sure it works,
but I like it.
I don't think beta should be verboten in LTS, but I could be
convinced. Certainly people need to understand the implications.
We have to re-decide what it means to be beta in this world, and what
the lifecycle of an effort will become.
We positioned our kubecon talk as "kernel vs distro" and that the
distro should release ~biannually. I had considered LTS be distinct
even from that. More like a regular "distro release" every 6 months,
and every 3rd or 4th release is LTS. The "kernel" would release more
frequently, and people could choose to get on a more frequent train.
What we really have to decide is how many of these usage modes we
really can afford to support as a community of cooperating/competing
entities. How many of these modes need "official" support? Do we
really need "official" LTS support or can that be handled
commercially? This is a very big topic..
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Clayton Coleman <ccol...@redhat.com> wrote:
> I think the bigger issue would be avoiding beta features in LTS style
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I wonder if we have a shared comprehension of the problems we want to
solve. Many great perspectives here, so far, approaching from
different angles.
I don't mean this to be a comprehensive list, but some of the things
that I think may be at odds with each other:
* Desire to give customers a better experience (manifested as "slower"
by some and "more automatic and reliable" by others)
* Desire to offer LTS "bugfix only" releases
* Desire to make releases less chaotic and "last-second"
* Desire to relieve the pressure for developers to "catch the train"
* Desire to make alpha->beta->GA cycles easier (including deprecation & removal)
* Desire to factor the repos and efforts in a way that aligns with above
* Desire to make better / more stable releases
* Desire to accelerate (or not slow down) larger efforts
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