Sanitizer

[Manish Shar]

Few pieces sanitizer available
Made in USA, more details pls
Visit : www.briotechusa.com

Delivery inside Kathmandu valley

[Kelly Kelly]

What alcohol percent is it? It doesn't appear to have the proper ingredients to be an effective sanitizer.  Do you have any other links regarding studies showing it kills corona viruses?

Kelly

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[Nicole Decourriere]

You can put strong vodka with aloe Vera and a few drops of essential oil. ( lavender, tea tree,  ...)👌👌👌

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[Kelly Kelly]

Correct, Tommy.  Sanitizer much contain 60% alcohol using Isopropyl alcohol (99%).

And  according to the CDC, effective hand sanitizers ( 60% alcohol) only have 30% of the effectiveness of 20 second hand washing, properly done, with soap and water.

And finally, Manish, the hand sanitizer you are selling does not have enough information.  I checked their site, the Briotech hand sanitizer website , and  although it does contain Chlorine which is effective against all viruses, it has no data on research regarding its effectiveness against corona viruses,  no information on the quantity or dilution of the chlorine, nor how long it takes to kill the viruses.  We all know that pyush takes 30 minutes.

So, still the best thing to do is wash with soap and water all our surfaces including door knobs, light switches, and keys if we take them out in public for shopping.  Know that our hands are contaminated until we can wash them and if we open our entrance door after handling money when shopping, or handling bags that the cashier or shop keeper handled,  it needs to be washed.  All shopping if in plastic bags should be put away for 4 days ( the virus lives on plastic for 4 days, and paper for 24 hours).  If we need to use our shopping the same day then change out the bags to ones that haven't been outside, wash hands again because they handled the bags that were outside, and then wash the bags and hang in the sun.  The virus is killed by UV light, so items that have been out of the house in public should be in the sun all day.

One can make homemade sanitizer using 90% alcohol and vegetable glycerin ( there is a lot of glycerin available in the market) not so sure about alcohol.  Here is a link to a video of the WHO approved sanitizer recipe.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=282&v=8eTEFpKEioA&feature=emb_logo

Good luck everyone, stay safe, keep a 2 meter distance from others, wash hands, wash hands, and wear a face mask or wrap a scarf around your mouth and nose when out in public.

Kelly

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 8:52 AM Tommy Broyles <tower...@gmail.com> wrote:

Be careful.  You news 120 to 180 proof alcohol if you do this:  "Hand sanitizer is alcohol based, right? So can we make hand sanitizer using vodka? "It will not work," says Jerry Sailer, the owner of Black Hills Contraband Distillery. "The reason being is you need 60% alcohol or a 120 proof. Most Vodkas run only 40% or 50% alcohol." What about 100% pure alcohol? Some people might try Everclear, "but that's too strong. Turning that into a hand sanitizer can actually cause [sensation of] burns on your hand, which you won't notice." 100% alcohol evaporates quickly, and it could leave your hands feeling dry. Additionally, CDC website does point out that hand sanitizer might not be as effective in some situations. Sailer says, they accept requests of bringing the products to a customer's car, but just not requests of using drinkable alcohol for hand sanitizer."

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[Tommy Broyles]

Be careful.  You news 120 to 180 proof alcohol if you do this:  "Hand sanitizer is alcohol based, right? So can we make hand sanitizer using vodka? "It will not work," says Jerry Sailer, the owner of Black Hills Contraband Distillery. "The reason being is you need 60% alcohol or a 120 proof. Most Vodkas run only 40% or 50% alcohol." What about 100% pure alcohol? Some people might try Everclear, "but that's too strong. Turning that into a hand sanitizer can actually cause [sensation of] burns on your hand, which you won't notice." 100% alcohol evaporates quickly, and it could leave your hands feeling dry. Additionally, CDC website does point out that hand sanitizer might not be as effective in some situations. Sailer says, they accept requests of bringing the products to a customer's car, but just not requests of using drinkable alcohol for hand sanitizer."

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[Sue Godwin]

Kelly,  what about Lizol (not for hands.  But door knobs etc...

thanks

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM Manish Shar <maani...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Kelly Kelly]

Sue, I'm not familiar with Lizol.  If it has the same ingredients as Lysol then it is good to use as a surface disinfectant.  Our dental clinic was having difficulties one time a few years back in obtaining the disinfectant we usually use.  So I looked for Lysol in the supermarkets and could only find Lizol.    As I recall the ingredients weren't good enough as a surface disinfectant for our dental clinic needs, so didn't get any.  For hard surfaces, why not just use soap and water?  This is what we are doing at home.

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[Kelly Kelly]

Hi Jigs,

For sure the liquid soap will be effective.  The part of the virus that holds the proteins together with the genes ( RNA or DNA or both) is lipids ( fat, oil)

and soap breaks down fat and oil.  You know this from washing dishes.  Once the lipid layer is broken down ( soaped away) the proteins and DNA/RNA fall apart rendering the virus "dead".

Regarding the tile cleaner,  unless there is a warning to not get it on your hands,  try using it on a greasy or oil dish ( ceramic) and see if it cuts through the oil or grease.  If it does then it is effective against the corona virus.

Kelly

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:25 AM Jigs Gaton <elephantw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Speaking of ingredients, I have two one gallon jugs from a Nepali company called Kemik. One says liquid soap, the other tile cleaner. They came from Daraz (now out of stock).  There are no ingredients on the containers, and the barcode / website also does not give you the ingredients either. I’ve wrote to the company, but well, even in the best of times, I might wait weeks for an answer from a Nepali company. Phones are not answering, understandably. 

Anyone have an idea if slathering this around will help with Covid? I don’t know what’s in the jugs, or what strength it is either. Hmmm…. 

Thx! 

Jigs

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[Kelly Kelly]

These are the ingredients for Lysol disinfectant spray which is the product I was looking for a few years back for our dental clinic. alkyl dimethyl benzyl, ammonium saccharinate, ethanol/SD alcohol 40 and carbon dioxide.  As you can see, the ingredients are different between Lysol disinfectant spray and Lizol.  To be honest, I don't know enough about it.  What I did know was that the CDC approved Lysol Disinfectant spray for use in surface disinfecting in dental clinics.  But only that product.  They didn't discuss wipes, or any other Lysol products, just the disinfectant spray.  It kills about 99% of viruses so one would assume, considering that cold and flu corona viruses are so common, that it will kill this new one.  If it didn't kill them, then it would have been mentioned by the CDC and by the Lysol company.

Kelly

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jigs Gaton <elephantw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thx Kelly, that’s what I figure… an ingredient label would be nice however :) 

On ingredients, here’s the list for fake Lysol - looks like a virus killer, but I’m not a chemist: 

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[Jigs Gaton]

Hi Kelly, the active ingredient in the knockoff Lysol (Lizol) is benzalkonium chloride solution 80%, which on some sites say it does not work. The CDC site does not list this as an active ingredient it cares about. However, those same sites say that a benzalkonium chloride solution can be used against bacteria, and “some” virus. So, anyone’s guess I suppose. Just don’t drink it. 

Cheers,

Jigs

On Mar 29, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Kelly Kelly <kelly...@gmail.com> wrote:

These are the ingredients for Lysol disinfectant spray which is the product I was looking for a few years back for our dental clinic. alkyl dimethyl benzyl, ammonium saccharinate, ethanol/SD alcohol 40 and carbon dioxide.  As you can see, the ingredients are different between Lysol disinfectant spray and Lizol.  To be honest, I don't know enough about it.  What I did know was that the CDC approved Lysol Disinfectant spray for use in surface disinfecting in dental clinics.  But only that product.  They didn't discuss wipes, or any other Lysol products, just the disinfectant spray.  It kills about 99% of viruses so one would assume, considering that cold and flu corona viruses are so common, that it will kill this new one.  If it didn't kill them, then it would have been mentioned by the CDC and by the Lysol company.

Kelly

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jigs Gaton <elephantw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thx Kelly, that’s what I figure… an ingredient label would be nice however :) 

On ingredients, here’s the list for fake Lysol - looks like a virus killer, but I’m not a chemist: 

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On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Kelly Kelly <kelly...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jigs,

For sure the liquid soap will be effective.  The part of the virus that holds the proteins together with the genes ( RNA or DNA or both) is lipids ( fat, oil)

and soap breaks down fat and oil.  You know this from washing dishes.  Once the lipid layer is broken down ( soaped away) the proteins and DNA/RNA fall apart rendering the virus "dead".

Regarding the tile cleaner,  unless there is a warning to not get it on your hands,  try using it on a greasy or oil dish ( ceramic) and see if it cuts through the oil or grease.  If it does then it is effective against the corona virus.

Kelly

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:25 AM Jigs Gaton <elephantw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Speaking of ingredients, I have two one gallon jugs from a Nepali company called Kemik. One says liquid soap, the other tile cleaner. They came from Daraz (now out of stock).  There are no ingredients on the containers, and the barcode / website also does not give you the ingredients either. I’ve wrote to the company, but well, even in the best of times, I might wait weeks for an answer from a Nepali company. Phones are not answering, understandably. 

Anyone have an idea if slathering this around will help with Covid? I don’t know what’s in the jugs, or what strength it is either. Hmmm…. 

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[Jigs Gaton]

Speaking of ingredients, I have two one gallon jugs from a Nepali company called Kemik. One says liquid soap, the other tile cleaner. They came from Daraz (now out of stock).  There are no ingredients on the containers, and the barcode / website also does not give you the ingredients either. I’ve wrote to the company, but well, even in the best of times, I might wait weeks for an answer from a Nepali company. Phones are not answering, understandably. 

Anyone have an idea if slathering this around will help with Covid? I don’t know what’s in the jugs, or what strength it is either. Hmmm…. 

Thx! 

Jigs

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[Jigs Gaton]

Thx Kelly, that’s what I figure… an ingredient label would be nice however :) 

On ingredients, here’s the list for fake Lysol - looks like a virus killer, but I’m not a chemist: 

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[Sue Godwin]

Thanks Kelly et al,

It seems that for Nepal theres not that much information about what local ones to buy.  soap and water, yes.  But when you go out, touch the gate, touch the groceries etc.  Need to do something then before getting home to wash your hands.  My husbands office had initially bought  a sanitiser which was glycerine.

I've looked on the WHO Nepal website and  Ministry of Health and dont see what to buy HERE.  So am asking   my husband whose working here on a project dealing entirely with evidence in health interventions.  Perhaps he can get us some evidence of what locally works!!

Regards

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM Manish Shar <maani...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Kelly Kelly]

Hi Sue,

Well, as you know,  glycerin by it self won't work.  It needs to be mixed with alcohol which is hard to come by.  Frankly, I wear gloves when I'm outside and only take them off once I return to my house, but before entering my compound gate.    Here is a video of the WHO approved DIY hand sanitizer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=282&v=8eTEFpKEioA&feature=emb_logo 

Before, when we could drive, I would take them off before unlocking my car.  But I still wash my keys once I get inside.  And for groceries I store them in a room for 4 days.  For the perishables, I either wash them, or change their packaging and then store them in the fridge ( the virus lives longer in a cold environment).  Then take my clothes off, wash my hands before putting on clothes that haven't been outside.  Then wash the counter top where my groceries were sitting before dealing with them.  And of course, just like we always do, I soak my fruit and veggies in water with pyush (chlorine) for 30 minutes.

I did find some rectified alcohol but haven't used it yet.  Could you ask your husband if it is equally as good, as strong, as Isopropyl alcohol?  Right now I still have a bottle of sanitizer than I managed to get two days before the pharmacy ran out, and four very small bottles for my staff to use. They can top up their bottles from the larger one I bought  And I got them all washable gloves to wear when they are outside.  They wash them once they arrive and are dry by the time they leave. Because I am washing so much, I've had little need for it, except for disinfecting my cell phone (an old style cell phone that can't be washed, not a smart phone).

Basically everyone needs to look at the ingredients to make sure it contains 60% alcohol.  If it doesn't, it simply won't disinfect their hands.  And even then they only have 30% the effectiveness of hand washing.  I apologize if I've already written this, I'm a Quora respondent, I get at least 5 questions a day about how to deal with the shortage of sanitizers.

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[Sue Godwin]

???????Not sure what the difference is?!!  Not suggesting glycerine.  This came from one of the top researchers in Nepal!!