Italian translation lev 1 e lev2
Lalit Pant
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Lalit Pant
I just put out a new Kojo-Web version with support for Italian: http://www.kogics.net/webkojo
Please test and let me know how it looks.
https://bitbucket.org/lalit_pant/kojo/commits/e4569f78f6127149a7385b5aed5a98257388a926#chg-src/main/scala/net/kogics/kojo/lite/i18n/itInit.scala
Feel free to adjust these as you see fit.
Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
thanks for corrections.
Maybe I should start a course in the my son school in the next days and this is the reason for the translation.
Please change 'area2' in 'superficie' :)
I built Kojo from repo and today, daily work permitting, I will try to test the translation.
... and thanks a lot for developing Kojo.
Massimo
Lalit Pant
> Please change 'area2' in 'superficie' :)
> Maybe I should start a course in the my son school in the next days
> ... and thanks a lot for developing Kojo.
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
I've made some modification in Italian.
In ItInit.scala I've added some 'statements' simulation.
.se (cond) {block} altrimenti {block} for if-else espression
.seVero(cond) {block} for simple if
.an elvis op ?: a la Groovy that work with null value and 'oppure' that work with empy value (0, false, empty string)
.classic ternary operator: cond ?? if true :: if false
For now I build Kojo simple for myself, but in the case of the school course... yes an installer will be appreciated :) thanks.
Ciao.
================================================================================
Some foolish tests:
var TEST = true
var OBJ = "Io"
var OBJ2 = 0
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
println(OBJ ?: "AAA1");
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
println(OBJ2 oppure "BBB");
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
println((1 + 1 == 2) ?? "True1" :: "False1")
println((1 + 5 == 2) ?? "True2" :: "False2")
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
println(se(1 + 1 == 3) {
println("SONO VERO1")
"True1"
} altrimenti {
println("SONO FALSO1")
"False1"
})
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
println(se(1 + 1 == 2) {
println("SONO VERO2")
"True2"
} altrimenti {
println("SONO FALSO2")
"False2"
})
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
println(seVero(TEST) {
println(TEST)
"il valore è vero"
})
println("--------------------------------------------------------")
================================================================================
Some corrections and modifications:
file ItInint.scala is in attachment
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kojo/src/main/resources/net/kogics/kojo/lite/Bundle_it.properties
line: 50 -> S_TangramSkier=Sciatore col Tangram
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kojo/src/main/resources/i18n/initk/it.tw.kojo
line:22 -> val ItalianAPI = net.kogics.kojo.lite.i18n.ItalianAPI
insert: import net.kogics.kojo.lite.i18n.ItalianCustomStatements._
line:23 -> import ItalianAPI.{
================================================================================
Björn Regnell
Cool that we have Italian now also!! Nice contribution, Massimo.
In general I'm a bit sceptic about 'statement simulation' just for translation purposes (although ripetizione is good to have as this is a way to do looping without having to know about variables and they can later learn about for-statements).
I think it is better that they learn and use (some of) the English Scala keywords and that the experience the keyword syntax coloring in Kojo to understand that some words are very special and help the computer(compiler) to grasp what to do and you can't use these words for anything else. After all every coder need to learn English sooner or later ;) given that English is the lingua franca of software and a couple of English words with very specific meaning in a coding context is easilly included in a kid's vocabulary, esp. compared to understanding the concept underneath. The ternary operator is IMHO too cryptic - better use Scala's built in if expression.
(I played with similar things in Swedish some years ago, but learnt about the above pedagogical challenges and losses when trying on kids and refrained from using them ...)
/B
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Lalit Pant
As soon as you're satisfied with your translation and want a new installer, let me know.
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
I'm completly agree with you about statement simulation only for translation. I've made this only for an initial approuch for ten age child.
Italians are really 'hard' on foreign languages, especially children.
Maybe in the next days, I will begin a little course at the school of my son and I don't want fall in to Scratch... :)
This is the reason for my translations in general.
English is, for me too, the lingua franca in programming and the italian translation will be used only in the first phase.
I've already write a little course for children in Ruby (in italian and if you are curious is here: http://minimalprocedure.pragmas.org/writings/programmazione_elementare_ruby/corso_elementare_ruby.html) but Scala is one of my passions (with OCaml/F# and functional paradigm in general). Kojo in my opinion is an interesting software for teaching (not to much visual) and experimenting. I don't like Scratch for that, to much procedural rigid and visual.
I think that children should also write rather than mount only Lego blocks.
In some my experiments with children and Scratch I saw that they tend to play with drawing tools instead thinking.
Maybe italians are more inattentive than nordics or anglosaxon-mind people, we are people of artists and sailors, spaghetti and mandolino :D
Ciao
Massimo
Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
ps: the name of a classmate of my son is Lalit ;)
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
Hi Lalit,
I was testing the translation and I thought, why not add some simple shapes. We have functions to draw circles and arcs, but not squares or triangles. It is very simple programming this functions, it's true, but it might be useful? Only for younger children...
Lalit Pant
Hi Lalit,
I was testing the translation and I thought, why not add some simple shapes. We have functions to draw circles and arcs, but not squares or triangles. It is very simple programming this functions, it's true, but it might be useful? Only for younger children...
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Björn Regnell
yeah - these are good first challenges on the abstraction ability road, so better implement themselves. For smaller kids you can give the solution on paper and they can type it in and test it and they get a feeling of accomplishemt
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From: Lalit Pant [mailto:pant....@gmail.com]
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Subject: Re: Italian translation lev 1 e lev2
Hi Massimo,
Regards,
- Lalit
Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
Il giorno venerdì 16 ottobre 2015 15:01:20 UTC+2, Bjorn Regnell ha scritto:
yeah - these are good first challenges on the abstraction ability road, so better implement themselves. For smaller kids you can give the solution on paper and they can type it in and test it and they get a feeling of accomplishemt
/B
From: Lalit Pant [mailto:pant....@gmail.com]
Sent: den 16 oktober 2015 14:55
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Subject: Re: Italian translation lev 1 e lev2
Hi Massimo,
The reason for not adding them is that they are pretty much the starting point for kids to start playing with the idea of unit lengths and distances and angles. As kids progress and start making more complicated drawings (built out of sqaures, triangles, etc.), these shapes also provide good motivation for them to learn about defining their own commands.
But you are very welcome to add them in the Italian version. You can then give us feedback on how it went with the kids who used it.
Regards,
- Lalit
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Massimo Maria Ghisalberti <zai...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Lalit,
I was testing the translation and I thought, why not add some simple shapes. We have functions to draw circles and arcs, but not squares or triangles. It is very simple programming this functions, it's true, but it might be useful? Only for younger children...
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Björn Regnell
Massimo, perhaps you want to contribute with a translation of this document with progressive "Challenges with Kojo" to Italian?
https://bitbucket.org/bjornregnell/scaboo
Download pdf in English by pressing the "Raw"-button on this page:
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Björn Regnell
Take any time you want :) I'm not currently aware of any other Italian that needs the challenges, but I thought you might want to use them in class perhaps...
/B
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
Yes, this challenges are interesting and if I can organize this course will keep surely it in account.
Massimo
Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
Lalit, if all goes well on the 14th of this month we will start a course for children.
I send you two files for some changes.
Can you prepare some installers for the 14th?
Thank you for now. :)
Lalit Pant
> Can you prepare some installers for the 14th?
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
thanks.
massimo
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
in this http://minimalprocedure.pragmas.org/writings/scaboo.zip the translated challenges.
I've not translated the Scala code, it's in english as original.
ciao
massimo
Björn Regnell
Great, Massimo! Are you planning to translate also some of the code to Italian or do you want to keep it in English?
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Massimo Maria Ghisalberti
What would be best?