Re: For all you smart folks who think being a developer means you know CS

[Jojoo Imbeah]

Okay Francis you need to calm down too.

I changed the subject of the post to read a bit better.

Let's try to stay on the issue without using unacceptable a and f words.

Pardon brevity. Sent from a phone

On 15 Jul 2013 23:25, "Francis Addai" <4ad...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can you at least give me one reason why I shouldn't think you an Asshole yourself?

If you have problems with Yaw Boakye, the most civilized thing you could have done would have been to send him an email (you are smart enough to know you have his email address) and not have me read the baggage you sent to this group.

You have acted so irresponsibly and have been so disrespectful by sending out that email. You have done CS, so what? Does that make you a better person? Who told you that being taught by lecturers who don't know the practicalities of what they are teaching makes you a CS.

If learning from developers at google, who actually does solve problems with their knowledge, doesn't make you a better developer, does learning from your book-long lecturers make you any better?

CS can be learned by anybody who's smart enough to know the operations of a computer if he/she has the time. You don't have to get a CS degree before you can write a program to do anything useful. Remember, you are a user too. You are currently using software written by people who are smarter than you.

Please, it's not his fault he's better/smarter than you although he didn't study CS. You don't have to pick up on him because studied Agric. Engineering. I know Yaw B at a personal level, and with the stunt you've pulled, I am not shaky to say he's way better than you.

tldr;

Complacency is such a bad thing. It will gradually kill you. Don't think cos you have done CS you know it all. IMHO, you don't know shit! You are lucky to be working at the company you are at now. You browse stackoverflow.com all day all night to be able to get your code to work. You don't even answer questions asked by others because you are not even an expert in what you seem to be proud of. You come out of your cubicle and you expect the whole world to hail you. Ain't gonna happen. Please treat people with respect and you will earn their respect.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Abubakr-Sadik Nii Nai Davis <dwa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Especially you Yaw Boakye aka 541n1 or whatever you call you self.

This is a warning to anybody who did not do CS in this group, do not. I repeat, do not talk trash about trash you don't know.

OK

Yaw Boakye do not talk trash about CS. Or you'll be outed for the incompetent medioce person you are on this group.

Been taught by google dev don't make you a CS, you have no idea what Compilers are, absolutely no idea on how to analyse 

data structures or the finer details of CS, you are just a user, so shut the fuck up and use.

Do not under any circumstances assume to have any knowledge on the workings of CS, you agric fuck

- Sincerely yours

Nii Nai

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[Francis Addai]

Jojoo, don't worry, I am calm. I just needed to get some things off my chest.

[Abubakr-Sadik Nii Nai Davis]

Francis from your post, I do not doubt your loyalty to the turd. That point having been made lets take a look at why you as a good friend should

have emailed or talked to him about his ways before it came to the point of me, an otherwise ignorant person appeared in the picture.

Because as a friend I make sure I point out these pitfalls of false and empty pride to anyone I call my friend. I do not know jack about my field

of choice, but I know for a fact that, nobody does. The best among us, are those who instead of taking pride in what knowledge other people have, taught them, or in not so common cases, they have contributed, realize that there is far more than they possibly know, and rather endeavor to gather, preserve and more importantly share their knowledge with as many people as they possibly can.

The arguments you use against me, are the same arguments I make against Yaw, so have a read.

If you have problems with Yaw Boakye, the most civilized thing you could have done would have been to send him an email (you are smart enough to know you have his email address) and not have me read the baggage you sent to this group.

 

Sorry about that, but my post was a personal attack on Yaw's personality, and anybody who thinks along the same lines as him.

It was essential I do it in public, after all he asked for it, by attacking CS-type in public, without any tangible reason.

 

You have acted so irresponsibly and have been so disrespectful by sending out that email. You have done CS, so what? Does that make you a better person? Who told you that being taught by lecturers who don't know the practicalities of what they are teaching makes you a CS.

Again on the point of disrespectful, that was the whole idea behind the post. Disrespect for people who rather than encourage the dissemination

of knowledge, try to stop others from. About what makes me a CS, myself and my degree is proof that I am CS, it was given to me by KNUST,

and taught me by these lecturers. As to the adequacy of what I was taught in the course, only someone who has completed the course, can say.

But rest assured, it was adequate. But knowing that a first degree is a degree in ignorance I strive to learn from people who have made strides in

the field, people better than me. And the beautiful thing is I also learnt from people I am ahead of

My classic example, is when I asked a CS1 @PK Opoku raise your hand, to write a program to print even numbers from 0 to 100. Trivial yes?

How would you answer it?

He gave me this;

for i ranging from 2 to 100, incrementing by 2

print i

I have always marveled how he came up with that solution, even though he was CS1. That experience taught to me that, no matter how much

I think I know, if I just listen, and learn from people no matter where they are in the knowledge/skill spectrum I can only grow.

 

If learning from developers at google, who actually does solve problems with their knowledge, doesn't make you a better developer, does learning from your book-long lecturers make you any better?

Actually it doesn't. Learning what other people teach you without teaching others doesn't make you a better dev or CS for that matter, those who

taught you are better. It just makes you a CS/dev, the reasoning is along the same lines as I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

 

CS can be learned by anybody who's smart enough to know the operations of a computer if he/she has the time. You don't have to get a CS degree before you can write a program to do anything useful. Remember, you are a user too. You are currently using software written by people who are smarter than you.

 

Here you confuse CS with programming, programming is an essential subdomain of CS, because it is through this means that CS can demonstrate

how the abstract concepts and theories abound in CS can be used to solve problems. Yes I am currently using software written by people smarter

than me, like the OS, the browser am typing this response in, did you expect that I would write my own. A key concept in CS and any field for the

matter is to stand on the shoulders of giants. Does this make those who made these software smarter than myself, may, maybe not. I don't know.

But one thing is for sure, there is a lot I can learn from them.

Some of these people do not have CS degrees, does this make them any less smart? No. Does it make me smarter than them? I dont know. 

Until I have come up with a better way to do what they have done, I can not say anything about that topic. Which is what I am telling Yaw, dont

judge until you have done it better. And even then tell the world how it is done better. Very simple.

 

Please, it's not his fault he's better/smarter than you although he didn't study CS. You don't have to pick up on him because studied Agric. Engineering. I know Yaw B at a personal level, and with the stunt you've pulled, I am not shaky to say he's way better than you.

On this regard, I only got to know him through his abusive posts. I do not care about him, until he contributes something to the body of knowledge.

If he does, the world will be a better place. As for his course, well he may have done better as CS, who knows. But since he has not had that

experience we can not say how he would have fared. He may be smarter than me, but then there are a lot of people smarter than me, so I do

not worry much in that regards either, but he is definitely not better than me as a person, until he learns what it means to be a person.

 

tldr;

Complacency is such a bad thing. It will gradually kill you. Don't think cos you have done CS you know it all. IMHO, you don't know shit! You are lucky to be working at the company you are at now. You browse stackoverflow.com all day all night to be able to get your code to work. You don't even answer questions asked by others because you are not even an expert in what you seem to be proud of. You come out of your cubicle and you expect the whole world to hail you. Ain't gonna happen. Please treat people with respect and you will earn their respect.

In this paragraph you captured succintly what I have been telling Yaw. Your humble opinion about me is mostly correct. 

I am not lucky to work where I work, I was chosen. 

I browse stackoverflow.com, well not daily, and not so often, because I am not a developer. Also I will be a fool to not, when "smarter"

people have already solved that problem.

I do not answer questions on this forum because, most of the answers people give are adequate, and also people hardly ask 

any technical questions - I am just saying. 

I am not an expert in what I seem proud of, because I still have a lot to learn, but I am on the way, but expert is just a word.

I do not have a cubicle, and I do not expect the world to hail me, because I am nobody.

I treat people with respect and most of them respect me, but I am contemptous of people who do not give constructive critisicms, or

encouragement to others to be the best at what they do.

I believe that was what I was driving at with my post. I believe you should let Yaw know, what you told me, applies not only to me, but

himself, yourself and every other human being. You should have told him that a long time ago.

- Nii Nai