why kna attracted to pentecost?

[aji abraham]

Dear brothers and sisters,

 

Why kna attracted to Pentecost???

 

I will make a small note  about the difference  between our prayers and Pentecost prayers. We knanites do not have much spiritual activities going on except holy mass on Sundays and occasional Easter ,Christmas, good Friday etc…these are more formal and structured type of worships. all our prayers are pre written. I don’t know how many of us are really understanding it. we pray the same prayer over and over.i don’t think god want to hear that memorized prayers daily. we are also always too busy to spend time in prayers.

 

Pentecostal prayers are more spontaneous, on your own words straight coming from the heart. it is more meaningful when it comes from your own heart. You are directly communicating with god. there is no mediator there ( ref. 1 timothy 2.5, Hebrews 9.15).Also there is an active involvement. you cannot sit mute in a Pentecostal prayer.

 

 Their prayers mainly attracted me to the Pentecost group. BUT I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE THE KNANAYA ,THAT IS MY BASE WHERE I BELONGS TO.IAM ONLY ADAPTING THE RIGHT WAY OF PRAYING.

 

Second coming of Jesus is nearing. we need to be more closer to him in order to have that eternal life…our  prayers are assissting  us in building a close relationship with god...

 

Aji deepu.  Edasseril, Ranny.

     Jeddah. K.s.a

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[Kuruvilla P. Kurian]

Dear Aji,

 

Did you ever try to swallow what is there in the written prayers our forefather's have coordinated for themselves and for the future generations to come.  You will see the demands of your worldly pleasures are few while your praise and worship are full in those prayers.  Try to pray those prayers from your heart and you will find you are in the heaven along with the Angles, who fill the heaven with their praises to The Almighty God.  This morning I was reciting the First COUMA along with my son. And I felt I was presenting a fume of odor= "Dupa Kazhcha" in which only two or three sentences were for my requirements such as bless me of my Lord and give me my food and my plee for forgivness which our Lord taught us to pray.  All other words are comprised of praises to our Lord.

 

In those prayers you need to humble yourself, you need tears as our forefathers were doing, you have to kneel down in front of the Alighty and you have to bear the cross on your body both internally and outwordly - assuming that I am recognising my Lord's decenting from the Heaven to the Earth for the sake of mankind - from the forehead to the chest - and we, due the our sins were the sons of the evle left, are converted by His Crusification to His right and therefore - from the left sholder to the right shoulder. 

 

I am sure that if you can pray in this manner you will not be attracted by any other worship.  You need not have to submit a large list of your requirements, your necessities, your griefs and so on and shouting one step above others and jumbing in emotion and convincing yourself that you are in the flow of a kind of Bhakti and trying to say in multiple languages during the emotional situation created by the sounds of the trumpts, drums and the clapping of hands the voices of those standing around you.

 

Instead of criticising the nom and system of the prayers our forfathers prepared for us throughout their dedications and years of submission of their life to God without any self motivation except the salvation of the whole humanity.  

 

My brother   the sentence at the bottom your message "BUT I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE THE KNANAYA ,THAT IS MY BASE WHERE I BELONGS TO.IAM ONLY ADAPTING THE RIGHT WAY OF PRAYING" made me to think that you are not fallen yet in the net and still you have time to save yourself.  That made me to write these lines and I wish you will give a deep thought on this matter and will chose the right path.

May God bless you.

 

with love

 

Kuruvilla Pozhimannil Kurian

[manoj kuriakose]

Hello Everyone

 

How are we guys and girls?

 

About Pentacost. It is heart warming that many people are joining revival groups because it is a clear indication that we people are thinking. It is also delighting that though their eyes 'open' they still remain as 'Knanaya Pentecost' . Let us wait for the time when new denominations like Knanaya Hindu and Knanaya Muslim arise.

 

What i understand is that our Jacobite tradition is age old. It originated during the time when the common people didnt have education.During that time there needed prepared prayers and procedures for the priests and the laity. They also sought the help of different symbols during the Holy Mass like "kasa, pilasa, dhoopa kutty" etc.Since we continue that tradition we need to know the significance of these symbolic items used during Qurbana.

 

I think what we need to improve upon is the practice of group prayers under the guidace of someone who is an authority on the bible like priests or pastors. It is a great therapeutic tratment for those people who suffer from mental distress,who are isolated in foreign countries, financial stress, alcoholism etc.

 

Seeya

 

Manoj Kuriakose 

 

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[Anjana Mathew]

Dear Aji,

I agree with you that our prayers are very formal and difficult to concentrate on the whole prayer as after sometime since it is rhetorical we go out of focus and it gets mechanical....it is not always possible to concentrate on each word of the prayers though ofcourse they are written wonderfully praising God for everything.....i feel we should have a blend of both....the traditional prayers and spontaneus prayers should be encouraged....as when we have discussions with our father at home we dont have long prepared lists to talk to him...same way prayers straight from the heart should be encouraged....only few of us belonging to traditional churches know how to pray spontaneously....that is very sad....we culd start by encouraging individual prayers at prayer meetings held at homes ...maybe give people issues to start of with ....and slowly we'l get courage to pray spontaneously in public...there is no point in changing faith as u said because God sees r heart in whichever denomination we are....and if r heart is right with God....we receive His blessings and will have an i ntimate relationship with Him....Regds,Anjana   

[Thomas Kalladan]

I'm very much agree with Anjana Mathew on this matter.  We, Knanaya people, have centuries old heritage and traditions.  Why we needed to lose it when we can fix our problem our self.  Prayer is very powerful either traditional prayers or spontaneous prayers.  Also, drinking is not a problem in our community, it is individual problem.  May be our church can coordinate some help for those who can not control their drinking habit.

Thomas Kalladan,

Atlanta, GA.

Anjana Mathew <mathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Mathews George]

Dear All,

 

From these many mails I found many wants to have a change in the attitude of the Church & community but doesn't want to leave the 'traditional' mistakes which intruded in to the CHURCH through our forefathers. It is really nice to see that we all agree on one point. A change is inevital as there is deterioration in the values & teachings.

 

GOD THE FATHER sent His only begotten Son JESUS CHRIST to the lost mankind as the only way for salvation and he has explained by Himself during His mission as well as through His apostles with the anointing of HOLY SPIRIT what we must do for the Eternal Salvation.

This is very clear in the HOLY BIBLE, which is inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT.

We must never forget, though people can adapt & develop their culture, anything beyond the limits of the HOLY BIBLE or in other words unacceptable as per the HOLYBIBLE is Forbidden before the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

 

First of all, we must understand the basic concept about the Prayer itself. Prayer is the best form of communication from a person in need requesting to a superior person who is capable of fulfilling the needs. It differs from person to person (on both Needy & Giver).

 

In the case of mankind, Jews never called the Almighty God by direct name or any parental name. They used the Names Yahweh = Eternal, El Shaddai = Most Powerful, Jehovah Jireh = Eternal Provider, Eben Ezer = Sustainer till now etc & God of Abraham, Issac & Israel. Jesus broke that barrier by showing a new relation between 'Man' & GOD that by allowing them to call HIM Our FATHER in Heaven... Secondly, we must read Gospel according to Matthew chapter 6 or other portions: Jesus Said "You Pray like this". I think in any language when we read this we can understand this is a pattern. He did not say you pray this only or always pray as a prefix or a suffix to any prayer. No JESUS shown us a pattern. Seewhat JESUS meant through the BEST EVER PATTERN of Prayer in the world.

Always your prayers must contain these: At first, Address to whom you pray and Glorify HIS NAME  (THE ALMIGHTY GOD the FATHER in Heaven). with this he taught only pray to the ALMIGHTY GOD. Accept your willingness to obey God's will . Then request for our Needs (not Greeds) (Give me what I need today- daily bread,dresses or whatever and this is to understand it is not our might we have all this what we have). Then, accept to GOD that we have fulfilled His commandments to forgive others and accepts that GOD forgive mein that measure how you did to a person. (debtor= responsible through any act of obligation - money or action payable in return). Then request the Most Powerful to protect yourself from the snares of satan. and conclude this by askig in the most precious name who can honour this prayer.

 

So this is the pattern of our prayer to GOD. We can use our own words and feelings & meanings when we speak to the Almighty Father. Then only that intimacy we feel. There is nothing wrong in praying the pattern prayer. But, Be meaningful.

 

Do you ask your pappa at home in a written pattern all the time. It will be more of a dramatical talk then.

 

We have only one mediator who can take this to the ALMIGHTY.. That is JESUS CHRIST the sole mediator as per the HOLY BIBLE.

 

Let me pen down now. Remaining points later. May GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

 

Ben.

[Anjana Mathew]

Dear all,

The mail from George Mathews is so true and relevant to r present discusions...it winds up well all the discussions we had so far........that is all we need...to remember that Jesus broke the barrier between God and us with His death on the cross......so He is the only mediator for us and we should  pray in the manner that Jesus taught us....from the heart...thats what is important......... the important traditions the knanaya community follows should be explained to the youth...so that they know the significance but the heart of our fellowship should be that love of God and neighbour that jesus talks about....not greed for power which has divided so many churches....regds anjana 

 

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Anjana

[Joy Thomas]

Dear Friends,
 
Now lot of boys and girls are getting married with other community by avoiding knanaya community. Do you support this kind of marriage? what is your openion? 
 
Joy Thomas
California

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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:07:03 +0530
From: mathew...@gmail.com
To: knanay...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Knanaya Family] Re: why kna attracted to pentecost?

[stacy kunnassery]

What do you mean by your statement "Now lot of boys and girls are getting married with other community by avoiding knanaya community." 
I'd like to respond, but if I don't understand the meaning of the statement, I can't respond appropriately.  Are you saying that they're marrying outside of the community to avoid dealing with the community itself?

Stacy Kunnassery
http://skunnassery.qbeautyzone.com  
 

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Subject: [Knanaya Family] Why some people are married from other community.
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:16:43 +0000

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[Shiju Thomas]

let me start off by saying that i'm sorry if some people do not like wat i am writing...... but what i would want to sincerely know n ask is that wat is it that makes ppl from this community so special... (i mean Knanaya community)....is there actually anything so special????... as long as u r able to live as a good human being god will love us for sure.... god will not love us more cos we are so called pure blooded catholics...... so i personally feel there should not be any divisions.... all will be at more peace and harmony.......its purely my opinion n i'm not here to change ppls mindset.... just wanted to expree my thoughts .... so did it.... its up to u  guys to take it or leave it..... anyways i feel like i'm like others and i'm ordinary .... don't feel privileged or something being a knanaya....have a nice weekend .... bye
 
 
Regards,
Shiju Thomas


 

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From: stac...@hotmail.com
To: knanay...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Knanaya Family] Re: Why some people are married from other community.
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:31:46 -0800

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[Joseph Vilangattuseril]

u no, every1 is the same and equal of course, but y is it bad for knanayas to have our cultural pride? In a multicultural world like ours people like to belong to something and we as knas just love being a little different and having our little group to call OURS, people have national pride and ethnic pride (Ex:black power, viva la mexico),  College students join fraternities and sororities soo that they can be with people that share similar interestts and hobbies and cultural values. This is very similar to knas, we just have to be born into it, so just like any other group if u dont wanna be part of it u dont have to be, just cuz your a 100% kna doesnt mean that u have to be in that mind set.... sooo all im sayin is nothing really makes us superior or special. im pretty sure no1 in our community truely believes that we are, we're not like the indian version of skin heads , or black panthers, we're not out to attack  and lynch people that arent like us, we just like to keep our community close so that we can have great future generations, and im not sayin that if we let non knas join our commiunity its gonna fall apart, im just sayin if your a 100% kna its just easier to keep a close knit community... so like i was sayin if u dont wanna be part of it NO ONE needs u to be part of it (accept for maybe your parents) and im sorry if i sound hostile but wen it comes to my community u can have your opinions just dont talk down unless your kiddin cuz i have a sense of humor

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From: shiju...@hotmail.com
To: knanay...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Knanaya Family] R WE SPECIAL..... ITS SUCH A WRONG NOTION.... STRICTLY MY OPINION
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:47:34 +0530

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[Mathews George]

Dear Friends,

 

It's a million dollar question asked by our dear brother JOY THOMAS. Let me pen down my opininion with reference to the HOLY BIBLE.

In any form of Society the smallest cross section of a Sciety is family where at least 2 persons are there. many families make a society/Culture.Many societies/cultures make a country. Well, MARRIAGE is an institution created by LORD GOD Almighty at the time of creation. for the formation of Society. There was only one family, only one culture, one language etc. But GOD wanted man to spread all over the world and he decided to split them.

Hence God Himself separated the Land area itself ( Please see the Globe and find both North/South Americas are split from the sides of Europe and Africa resp. Australia and N/Z all island drifted away from the bottom of Asia and placed in southern hemisphere. Before science invented this it is written in the HOLY BIBLE. Genesis ch. 11 (At the time of Peleg The earth was divided. to be precise, at the time of the construction of Babel tower). Okay, why I wrote the History is to understand God wanted man to move all over the world. The Adivasis (Aboriginals we call) - Red Indians in America, Pigmis in Africa, Aboriginals in Australia, Dravidians in India are these people who were separated to different lands. Then the civilsed people moved by yachts/ships etc to these places later. Now, Marriage between a Man & Woman is absolutely right as per GOD's constitution. But manier times if these two are from 2 different cultures and there are chances of indifferences between them or the families or connected to the Man & Woman. This is the reason the forefathers insisted to marry from the same society. But As per Holy Bible, we cannot say one community is inferior and other one is superior. Before God all His creation is same. Even though God had chosen Israelites as His generation to worship Him, they faltered from their position. Thus GOD gave all the mankind to be a chosen generation through CHURCH. In church, there is no difference between castes and creeds. All are one in Christ. But people prefer to marry a partner from similar culture to avoid any clashes between families and societies. If anybody can break this barrier it is highly appreciable.

 

GOD did not instruct anybody to keep KNANAYA Community as a separated group from Christian Communities. If anybody wants to marry within this group it is not a sin. But you must not insist anybody willing to go out and marry according to the Word of God.

 

May GOD BLESS those who ignore the barricades and consider all are of one family.

 

Ben.

[Babu Mathew]

I fully agree with you ! we knas are not special or superior,but to have a close community and to encourage UNITY among our group,we should all join hands together!

WE SHOULD BE PROUD TO BE A KNA !

 

Thx & Regards

Babu Mathew

Maliyil - Kunnathil

Chennai

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[Joy Thomas]

Dear Friends,
 
I also support with Ben. In this century young generation are selecting their partner themself, not by parents. they may not choose their partner from knanaya community. we cann't blame them. All are same infrond of Jesus Christ.
 
Regards
Joy Thomas

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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:11:09 +0400
From: benk...@gmail.com
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Subject: [Knanaya Family] Re: Why some people are married from other community.