Knanaya!!! So what? Big deal..

[Thomas Elias Paarel]

Dear Knanaya youngsters,

 

I have been reprimanded in the subject of the Endogamous  existence of the Knanaya community with a great deal of questions from our well educated youngsters.. This questioning nature itself is proof of their pure pedigree from Abraham, Issac & Jacob in the order of Melchizedek.. The initial question, the mother of all questions is "So what, what is the big deal about being a Knanaya"?

 

I shall attempt to give you an answer here to initiate a discussion for a better understanding if possible!!! Only our Lord, the God alone can help us to get to the bottom of this understanding..

 

The understanding is within you.. It is for you to find the answer.. I may be able to guide you within HIS will.. Glory to God..

 

Here it is for you.. 

 

God called out to Abram from all the people and named him Abraham and made the first covenant with him.. (there is a major hypothesis that can be written on this one sentence itself)..

 

From his sons, God selected Isaac as the faithful and the other was blessed with worldly wealth (Establishment).. From the sons of Issac, Jacob was selected as the faithful and God named him Israel..

 

When Israel went to Egypt they were 72 in number as HIS faithful who reached there.. God himself was with them.. After three centuries when Moses  was bringing them back, God wanted Moses to select 72 from all people and make them the faithful carriers of the Laws of God (Pillars of Faith).. The others were in anyways, the inheritors of this Earth (Pillars of Establishment)..

 

In the times of Yeshu and as written in the Bible - Luke 10, Yeshu selected 72 people again from amongst children of the selected faithfuls from time to time, as the faithful to go before him.. These 72, and their establishment are the ones, learned to have settled in places like Edessa etc. after the crucifixion of Yeshu and the martyrdom of James the Just (Yaacob), the first Chief Priest of Jerusalem Church, the Nazarene (Nazarani in Arabic) Church..

 

Again it is from amongst them that a further 72 faithfuls were selected to be send to Mahadevar Pattanam or the Port of Muchiri Pattanam in Kodungallur in Kerala to be preserved as the Preservers of the Laws of God in the era of, or times of Fanuta (the turning away from God's favour)..

 

We have done our duty well.. Another 72 may also be selected again from amongst us in the Plan of God and will continue to do so from this stock until the second coming.. The rest of us will become part of and merge into the establishment as the inheritors of the Earth.. Let us, one and all give oneself up to HIS ways, and not in our plan of things and thoughts..

 

The Heaven and Earth is inherited by you, by the, and in the order of Melchizedek.. And in the order of Abraham, Issac & Jacob, you have inherited this Earth (nee eee bhumiye avakasam aakiyirikunnu).. As only a Knanaya alone, you still have a right to choose to be either the Pillar of Faith or the Pillar of Establishment..

 

"As per the Nazarene Church (Aakamana Christian Sabha) Architecture the Pillars of faith are the Southists and the Pillars of Establishment are the Northists both equally important pillars (Thekkumbhagor & Vadakkumbhagor) for building the Arch that is the God's Sabha held strongly in place by the Key Stone (Jehovah) at the top center portion of this Arch..

 

A depiction of this is coded in Architecture of our Church buildings at the entrance of our church building on the western side and the Madbaha.. That our church buildings face towards the East, the pillar on the right is the Southern Pillar (Thekkumbhagor - the pillars of faith) and the Pillar on the left is the Northern Pillar (Vadakkumbhagor - the pillars of the establishment).. Without both these Pillars the Sabha will not exist.."

 

You are what you perceive to be.. Please do not be late to understand this.. Even if you do not understand this now, please do not allow yourself to regret with your actions, to a late understanding of who you really were, where you had the choice of being the part of this selected stock from whom the second coming will happen as was the first..

 

In God's plan of things both Pillars are equally important and so there is nothing to regret anyways.. 

 

Please, in reality Knanaya is not any one major religion or  fanatics in the name of any religion, but it is a Godly Stock of devoted faithfuls..

 

Love,

Thomas Elias Paarel

Paruthicattu - Maalithara - Paarel, Neelamperoor

St. George Valiyapalli - Neelamperoor

St. George Knanaya Syrian Church - Bangalore    

 

[Jacob Abraham]

Advise to knanaya youth by Mr. Thomas Elias is very jovial, but it lacks any authenticity.

 

We knanaya give a lot of importance to our tradition and pedigree etc. We can boast about it between us, but before God none of it will stand.

Our God is God of love at the same time He is a God of Justice. That is why He had to sent His Son Jesus to pay the penalty for out sins.

In John 3:16 says that “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Here I am not bringing up an argument against or for what Thomas Elias wrote. Just want to clear something.

 

If anyone care to know the facts please continue to read.

1. He said “When Israel went to Egypt they were 72 in number as HIS faithful who reached” there.

It was not 72 but only 70.Please read Genesis 46: 27(b) which says, “All the persons of the house of Jacob who went to Egypt were seventy.”

2. Moses did not select 72 but only 70. So the LORD said to Moses: “Gather to Me seventy men of the elders of Israel,(Numbers 11:16)
3. Jesus did not send 72 but only 70. “After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go”.(Luke 10:1)

 

So the Number 72 has no precedence in the Bible.

We have the privilege to choose between “life and death” and “hell and heaven”

 

Please read and study the bible prayerfully. Give importance to God’s Word above everything else. Jesus said, “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples (John 15: 7, 8)

 

Jacob

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[Thomas Elias Paarel]

Dear Moderator,

 

The following was given as a clarification on 30th April, 2008 itself on the doubts raised on my writings on the subject matter, which is found yet to be published.. Please do the needful..
 

Thomas Elias Paarel

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Elias Paarel <thoma...@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Knanaya Family] Knanaya!!! So what? Big deal..
To: Jacob Abraham <deerp...@yahoo.com>

 

Thank you Jacob Abraham for bringing up this subject of the 72 vs 70 in number as written in some new generation Bibles and I knew someone would bring this up.. Thank you once again for bringing this up..

 

Mr. Jacob Abraham understands from the Bible as under:

1. It was not 72 but only 70.Please read Genesis 46: 27(b) which says, "All the persons of the house of Jacob who went to Egypt were seventy."
2. Moses did not select 72 but only 70. So the LORD said to Moses: "Gather to Me seventy men of the elders of Israel,(Numbers 11:16)
3. Jesus did not send 72 but only 70. "After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go".(Luke 10:1)

So the Number 72 has no precedence in the Bible.

We have the privilege to choose between "life and death" and "hell and heaven"

 

My understanding of the Bible as read from the translations of the original Aramaic  script and as confirmed by the likes of Dr. Prof. Robert Eisenman, an American Jew and Scholar on the Dead Sea Scrolls, who was with us very recently in India on a study on the Knanaya history, confirms from the study of the old testament, the Torah as written originally..

 

 

My answer to Jacob Abraham's understanding:

 

No. 1:

It was not 72 but only 70. Please read Genesis 46: 27(b) which says, "All the persons of the house of Jacob who went to Egypt were seventy.

 

Now what I have said in my mail is, please read carefully "When Israel went to Egypt they were 72 in number as HIS faithful who reached there.. God himself was with them..

 

Jacob Abraham was right when he said "It was not 72 but only 70. Please read Genesis 46: 27(b) which says, "All the persons of the house of Jacob who went to Egypt were seventy."

 

Now there is a huge difference between saying went to Egypt and reached Egypt.. This time God himself was with them in Egypt as High Priest and Administrator making the number 72, which according to the Jewish belief is a hidden Code Number, as per Jewish Scholars..

 

No. 2:

Moses did not select 72 but only 70. So the LORD said to Moses: "Gather to Me seventy men of the elders of Israel,(Numbers 11:16)

 

Please read the Numbers 11:16 where God says further, that what is quoted by Jacob Abraham "bring them to stand beside you - means beside Moses"..

 

Please do not stop by reading of 11:16 but continue to 11:17 for a total understanding of what is meant there - The seventy are brought in and some of the spirit of Mosses is taken and given to the 70 so that the 70 can bear some of the responsibility as given to Mosses so that the Job of Mosses is made easy, as he is the carrier of the Laws of God, the administrator..

 

We have always understood that God had put Aaron and Mosses together in the God's process, Aaron as High Priest and Mosses as Administrator and the 70 were collected to join this process and therefore together they are 72 in number.. Here again it is a hidden Code Number..

 

The Jewish Sanhedrin itself is 72 in number, based on this..

 

No. 3:

Jesus did not send 72 but only 70. "After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go".(Luke 10:1)

 

Here most bible including the Good News Bible in English says "After this the Lord chose another seventy two (72) men and sent them out two by two" though some Bible says it as 70.. Here we must understand that the Apostles Thadeus and Thomas were the High Priest and Administrator duo amongst them as appointed, to meet with King Abghar of Persia.. Here again this number 72 is a hidden code..

 

The Knanaya Tradition says that we were sent to India and there were 72 families consisting of 432 people.. This too was 70 families, plus Knai Thoma as Administrator and Urha Mor Ouseph as High Priest to lead them, thus making it number 72, the perfect hidden code for the Preservers of the Laws of God.. HIS Stock..

The Bible is Word of God which is the ultimate, has many hidden codes to be understood as time comes, but the printed book of Bible has anomalies cropped up through the ages due to human errors.. Some people follow the Bible fanatically and some follow Knanaya fanatically.. My advice is not to fanatically follow both.. The real Knanaya, the actual Stock has the Word of God, within him.. Try to slowly understand oneself with devotion..

 

Love,

Thomas Elias Paarel

Paruthicattu - Maalithara - Paarel, Neelamperoor

St. George Valiyapalli - Neelamperoor

St. George Knanaya Syrian Church - Bangalore    

 

 

[Sundeep Thamarappally]

The interplay of 70 and 72 is well known to all scholars of the Bible,
both the old and the new testaments. Both are deemed the same, though
in some translations, it is said 70 and in others, it is 72. It is
universally accepted that 72 is the true usage and is a very important
numerological number. In the camp of Moses, 70 were chosen besides
Moses himself and Aaron. In Luke 10, 70 disciples were chosen to
preach the word of God, though some bibles say 72. It is understood
that besides the 70 in Luke 10, there were also Thadaeus and Thomas
included who made up the 72. The old Testament was committed into
Greek language at Alexandria by the Septuagint. Septa stands for 70,
but it is understood that there were 72 scholars who were committed to
the translations.

In the days of Knai Thoma, there were 70 families who joined Thoma and
Mar Joseph. For a person with minimum understanding of scholarly
studies, such analysis may be difficult to understand as it is more of
a codified usage.

Thomas of Cana, Knai, Kna and Knanaya are not to be used literally,
but they are all codes to show that the settlers of AD 345 were Jewish
Zealots. A reading of Hitler's narration of Jewish settlers in his
book "Mein Kampf" and a comparison with our culture and heritage will
show that we too are Jewish.

Regarding understanding of the Lord's message to his people, if you do
not understand the message of the Lord to the 72, then you are
condemned to be excluded from that group by loss of Faith. The Seventy
two are the chosen people who are also called the Remnants of the True
Faith. One should be grateful to the Lord to be counted among the 72
who are chosen by the Father and the Son. Those who do not understand
and appreciate its importance will be condemned to be set aside from
the chosen lot.

You are advised to study the research thesis of Dr. A T Abraham,
Alumootil.

All in His time,

regards,

Sundeep

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[joyson kuriakose]

DEAR  SUNDEEP,

 

I APPRECIATE, YOUR SINCERE  EFFORTS  TO  LOGICCALLY,,,,,,,, TRY  TO  PROVE ..THE INTERLIKS....OR   ....THE   MISSING  ...LINKS...............

 

BUT....I  DON'T THINK ,,,THAT IT IS TO  BE  DIGESTIVE  TO  MANY,,,,BY  VIRTUE OF  NOT  KNOWING  WHAT YOU  ARE TRYING  TO  ESTABBILISH....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

HOWEVER  I SHALL  SUGGUEST  TO  YOU  TO  BE ,

................,,MORE ..INTERPRETIVE... SO  AS TO KNOW WHAT YOU  ARE TRYING TO  ESTABLISH......BE   A LAYMAN...TO  PASS  YOUR MEASAGE  TO  MANY...OR ..THE  MASS......

OTHERWISE  ,,,,IT  WILL  BE  CONSIDERED   THE.....OTHERWAY...SO...THAT .THE....LEVEL...BEYOND THE ..

REACH...OF  THE    COMMON...MAN.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OUR  LORD  JESUS....ONLY  ..TRIED WITH  PARABLES,,TO  MAKE  THE  LAYMANS..TO  UNDERSTAND..............BE A  FOLLOWER................

IT  SOUNDS GREAT.......

 

SO...PLEASE TO  BE  ,,,,,,WITH A  LANGAUGE  ...SO  THat PEOPLE  WILL  UNDERSTAND...WHAt  ARE  YOU  TRYING  TO  CONVEY....

 

OTHERWISE  I  FEEL,  ADMIT..AND APPRECIATE ......YOUR    GOOD  WORK...

THANKS..

BE  ON  LINE....FOREVER............

 

WITH  RESPECTS..AND   REGARDS...

 

K.  JOYSON,

ERNAKULAM....

Sundeep Thamarappally <sundeep...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sundeep Thamarappally]

OK!

I get ur point. The thing is a lot of work is happening in a forward
direction (positive research) and I am in that pace. That is why there
is a gap in understanding. I can understand that.

To put it simple, I have been doing a probe into our past based on the
scientific DNA tests. I have linked up with a few scholars in th US,
UK & Israel. Along with this, I happened to read our very own Dr. A T
Abraham's research thesis that he did in 1973 which was gathering
dust. One reading of it and I could feel a strong connection between
it and our past.

History is very complicated when you try to get to the very bottom.
There are many things in history that we tend to overlook when we
simplify the story for easy understanding. That is what has gone wrong
with us from very ancient times. We just take things for granted to
make things simple. But at the level that I am researching, things get
only more complicated as I try to reconstruct the entire history.

Let us take things one by one:

Everyone say that Knai Thoma was a trader. Which ports did Thoma do
trade with? Is Thomas of Cana or Thomas of Kinai or Thomas of Canaan
or Thomas of Edessa?

How many of you are aware that there was a port in South East Yemen
called Cana from where the ancient single sail ships would catch the
Monsoon winds and cross the Arabian Sea to land in Kodungallur? I
quote an ancient record dated to the 1st century AD and called the
Periplus of the Erythraean Sea:

"53. Beyond Calliena there are other market-towns of this region;
Semylla, Mandagora, Pala patma, Meligara, Byzantium, Togarum and
Aurannohoas. Then there are the islands called Sesecrienae and that of
the Aegidii, and that of the Caenitae, opposite the place called
Chersonesus (and in these places there are pirates) and after this the
White Island. Then come Naura and Tyndis, the first markets of
Damirica [=Limyrike], and then Muziris and Nelcynda, which are now of
leading importance.

54. Tyndis is of the Kingdom of Cerobothra; it is a village in plain
sight by the sea. Muziris, of the same Kingdom, abounds in ships sent
there with cargoes from Arabia, and by the Greeks; it is located on a
river, distant from Tyndis by river and sea five hundred stadia, and
up the river from the shore twenty stadia. Nelcynda is distant from
Muziris by river and sea about five hundred stadia, and is of another
Kingdom, the Pandian. This place also is situated on a river, about
one hundred and twenty stadia from the sea.

55. There is another place at the mouth of this river, the village
of Bacare; to which ships drop down on the outward voyage from
Nelcynda, and anchor in the roadstead to take on their cargoes;
because the river is full of shoals and the channels are not clear.
The kings of both these market-towns live in the interior. And as a
sign to those approaching these places from the sea there are serpents
coming forth to meet you, black in color, but shorter, like snakes in
the head, and with blood-red eyes.

56. They send large ships to these market-towns on account of the
great quantity and bulk of pepper and malabathrum. There are imported
here, in the first place, a great quantity of coin; topaz, thin
clothing, not much; figured linens, antimony, coral, crude glass,
copper, tin, lead; wine, not much, but as much as at Barygaza; realgar
and orpiment; and wheat enough for the sailors, for this is not dealt
in by the merchants there. There is exported pepper, which is produced
in quantity in only one region near these markets, a district called
Cottonara. Besides this there are ex-ported great quantities of fine
pearls, ivory, silk cloth, spikenard from the Ganges, malabathrum from
the places in the interior, transparent stones of all kinds, diamonds
and sapphires, and tortoise-shell; that from Chryse Island, and that
taken among the islands along the coast of Damirica [=Limyrike]. They
make the voyage to this place in a favorable season who set out from
Egypt about the month of July, that is Epiphi.

57. This whole voyage as above described, from Cana and Eudaemon
Arabia, they used to make in small vessels, sailing close around the
shores of the gulfs; and Hippalus was the pilot who by observing the
location of the ports and the conditions of the sea, first discovered
how to lay his course straight across the ocean. For at the same time
when with us the Etesian winds are blowing, on the shores of India the
wind sets in from the ocean, and this southwest wind is called
Hippalus, from the name of him who first discovered the passage
across. From that time to the present day ships start, some direct
from Cana, and some from the Cape of Spices; and those bound for
Damirica [=Limyrike] throw the ship's head considerably off the wind;
while those bound for Barygaza and Scythia keep along shore not more
than three days and for the rest of the time hold the same course
straight out to sea from that region, with a favorable wind, quite
away from the land, and so sail outside past the aforesaid gulfs."


Try analyzing this source information. Try to identify the ports Thoma
traded with. If u can understand it you will enjoy the search for your
roots. If u cant still understand it, I will explain it in my next
mail if anyone wants to know more.

Best regards,

Sundeep

On May 19, 5:17 pm, joyson kuriakose <oys...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> DEAR SUNDEEP,
>
> I APPRECIATE, YOUR SINCERE EFFORTS TO LOGICCALLY,,,,,,,, TRY TO PROVE ..THE INTERLIKS....OR ....THE MISSING ...LINKS...............
>
> BUT....I DON'T THINK ,,,THAT IT IS TO BE DIGESTIVE TO MANY,,,,BY VIRTUE OF NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ESTABBILISH....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> HOWEVER I SHALL SUGGUEST TO YOU TO BE ,
> ................,,MORE ..INTERPRETIVE... SO AS TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH......BE A LAYMAN...TO PASS YOUR MEASAGE TO MANY...OR ..THE MASS......
> OTHERWISE ,,,,IT WILL BE CONSIDERED THE.....OTHERWAY...SO...THAT .THE....LEVEL...BEYOND THE ..
> REACH...OF THE COMMON...MAN.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> OUR LORD JESUS....ONLY ..TRIED WITH PARABLES,,TO MAKE THE LAYMANS..TO UNDERSTAND..............BE A FOLLOWER................
> IT SOUNDS GREAT.......
>
> SO...PLEASE TO BE ,,,,,,WITH A LANGAUGE ...SO THat PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND...WHAt ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVEY....
>
> OTHERWISE I FEEL, ADMIT..AND APPRECIATE ......YOUR GOOD WORK...
> THANKS..
> BE ON LINE....FOREVER............
>
> WITH RESPECTS..AND REGARDS...
>
> K. JOYSON,
> ERNAKULAM....
>