Come with me

[Anna Lucas]

Today, I am so bored and lonely.
Friends, let's get started? Come with me for flirting or ...
http://erinlucas.150m.com

[irwan sham]

Guys,

Could the administrator of the group starts to do something about the
spammers before people our mailing list starts to dwindle?

Is it just me, or do I get the feeling that there just a handful of
FOSS user in KK? Members of the group have met up for the third time.
What is the outcome of the meet up addressing to KKLUG?

Irwan

[Faizal Heesyam]

this is horrible..

anyway, i think we need a new name.. LUG sounds like more on linux user.. but from what i understand, this group is focusing on OpenSource usage, means lots more other thing besides the Linux os..

just my 2 cents.

[irwan sham]

FOSS and GNU/Linux aren't the same? :)

As for the name change, the current one would do. If and unless this group starts to get moving its arse or contributing to the open source community, then perhaps we could justify the name change.

[paragasu]

>> FOSS and GNU/Linux aren't the same? :)

linux is just one part of the open source software.
linux is the product and the OSS is like a religion. hahaha. as long
as a software release its source code to public it is a member of
OSS..

[paragasu]

ya.. i agree with that. the current name more like linux os, and linux
is just part of open source software.

maybe we can change the name to
kinabalu open source group or
sabah open source group

what do you think.. ?

[irwan sham]

and GNU is the alternative religion cult?

[irwan sham]

I am more interested in the content. Contribution and assistance. That
is my concern right now. Change of names should not be part of the
agenda for now.

[paragasu]

well, GNU stand for "GNU's is not unix" a recursive acronym.
what we called Linux actually just refer to the core files - the
Kernel needed to run the whole system.

GNU project is what bring the whole OS together as we saw today. They
take the kernel + X window + window manager (KDE/Gnome) + package
manager (DEB/RPM) + etc etc. Producing a operating system compatible
to UNIX

[irwan sham]

For the sake of argument, GNU wasn't a complete operating system. HURD
development was slow and LINUX overtook the project. So how can GNU be
'Producing a operating system compatible to UNIX?' The linux kernel
was the missing piece, right? :)

[Ruhaizad Daud]

sorry geng pasal spam tu. baru jugak smalam sia kasi moderate & ban.

walaupun pakai google group, masih takleh lawan spam tu.

[edthix]

Salam Aidilfitri & Hi to all

Lama tak jengok mail, sebab selalu offline.

Sorry delay sikit gambar 3rd meetup time Ramadhan tu belum upload. Tukang
gambar
balik Sandakan, masih on the way mau balik KK :)
Kesian e-peace menunggu mau buat liputan hahaha

Anyway as we discussed/talked about last meetup we can share experties and
stuffs
but we need to identify what we can contribute (like Mr Irwan mentioned)

What can we contribute?
1) Codes (github, sourceforge etc) ni kena ikut citarasa/technical
knowledge masing masing.
2) Documentation
3) Localization projects (Bahasa Malaysia sudah ada, maybe boleh start
bahasa yang native di Sabah khususnya?
atau juga support ms_my)
4) propaganda ....... (road shows, campaign etc)
5) more .........

p/s: cakap pasal contribution, aku sendiri pun "tiada" lagi contribution
selain "propaganda" pada new users ha ha ha

p/s2: KKLUG - tak kisah pakai *BSD ka Plan9 ka janji open source, hehehe
apa ada pada nama :)

-Ed-

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[paragasu]

GNU is complete AFAIK as what we see today. all library and compiler
contributed by this project - glibc, gcc which without that, it is
near impossible to develop such a complicated piece of software.

HURD is another kernel and with much more advance architecture than
kernel available today. Linux, UNIX is a monolithic kernel while HURD
is microkernel. Mircokernel is better design and much more powerful
than monolithic, but very complicated and hard to code..

linux is just one part of operating system. the core system that deal
with hardware, process etc. But linux alone is useless to user without
X project, GNOME or KDE or Application that run on the OS..

[irwan sham]

From my understanding, the gcc that Linus employed was from the GNU
project. It was used to build Linux which originally is based on
Minix. Am I right so far? (*i am a new student of OSes history).
It is confusing as major publication uses the linux and RMS called it
GNU/Linux. Why is that?

*Anyone just jump in the conversation.

[edthix]

Linux vs Minix, check the old archive on Linus vs Tannenbaum.

I don't think that the "current" Linux was based on Minix anymore, once
Linux went GNU,
but Linux *was* developed earlier on Minix. Some arguments -
http://www.winface.com/freax.html

Old stuffs. But for educational purpose it's good to dig these historical
stuffs.

Beli buku OS by Tannenbaum you can get Minix punya diskette tak silap
pernah nampak ni di Eatons CP
satu ketika dulu :)

Regarding why RMS called it GNU/Linux I think the page in gnu.org clearly
explains it
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html but I read somewhere from an
interview with RMS on why he
advocates the usage of "GNU/Linux" and not simply "Linux" but lost the
link. Google!

And let's not get started with Linus vs Tannenbaum, Linus vs De Raadt :P.
Great minds dont really think alike I guess hehe.

-Ed-

[paragasu]

>> why he advocates the usage of "GNU/Linux" and not simply "Linux"

because the so called LINUX we know today is just the Kernel.
Honestly, GNU/Linux VS Linux is a very controversy discussion a few years back,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy

[edthix]

Well from the wiki link you can see two sides of the arguments

Pro GNU/Linux, and Pro "Linux"

Personal preference if you ask me :)

RMS wants it to be called GNU/Linux
Linus wants it continued as "Linux"

Doesn't matter for normal people, janji jalan

Adios :)

[edthix]

Sorry silap ni should be "once Linux went GPL" :)

[Faizal Heesyam]

aku tiada bantahan pasal nama kalau semua setuju gitu.. :D

so kalau gitu, kita focus on the general purpose of the group dulu lah..

"educate, collaborate, replicate"

why? coz sampai sekarang aku masih rasa kurang pendedahan dan didikan
tentang opensource konsep, especially sini sabah.. ramai yg berminat,
ramai yg pernah dengar, but dunno where to find or how to start.. aku
suggest kita semua gilir2 publish article/tutorial/white paper/case
study pasal opensource ni, target reader off course semua golongan,
beginner, intermediate, advanced... but utk start ni aku rasa why not
kita focus utk org2 yg baru mau berkecimpung dlm dunia opensource..
boleh jadi diorg ni writer, documenter, coder, designer,
administrator, engineer, security advisor...etc

how? as a start, just take ourself sebagai contoh, camana kita mula2
start dulu, aku yakin ramai di kalangan kita jenis trial and error,
semua main godek and explore sendiri, tidak semua dpt knowledge dr
official learning.. time aku ambik comp.science dulu pun mana ada
exposure pasal cms2 ni.. apalagi mau setup lamp.. apa guna benda2 ni
pun tiada yg expose.. so bayangkan proses2 yg terlibat tu dari
zero-knowledge ngan skang.. kita cuma share apa yg kita tau, it might
be useful to somebody else.. bukan mau mengaku terrer, tapi just
berkongsi.. manatau dpt attract attention mana2 expert out there, ada
komen2 bernas, sama2 juga kita belajar...

kalau yg intermediate pula, contohnya, bila sudah pandai start
coding2, ndak semua lucky tau kena expose sama version2 control nih,
aku sendiri pun terus terang kalau si edham ndak kasitau time kursus
ror dulu tu, teda la aku mau explore lagi benda2 subversion,
github...etc ni pasal di tempat aku kerja langsung teda org mention
pasal ni.. kesedaran tu masih dlm tahap yg menghampakan.. :D takat
dengar nama, semua bleh dengar... but bila mau start, di situ kurang
resource.. technical2 notes yg ada pun bnyk yg bahasa 'advanced'.. so
aku suggest we have our own version, yg lebih simple and friendly..
something gitu2 la... bnyk coverage bleh buat ni..

aku suggest kita semua kenal each other dulu dr segi technical
background.. mungkin bleh buat profile yg list down all our field
skills? contohnya familiar script apa (perl, php, phyton, ruby..etc),
expert/biasa work dgn cms apa (joomla, drupal, wordpress, mtos..etc),
experience dlm bidang mana (ecommerce, content publishing, file
management..etc), kalo designer, mungkin expert bikin icon ka.. UI
ka.. (manatau kita bleh collabo and release opensource template,
ataupun tambah icon2 utk project Tango ka..etc) dan seterusnya..

dgn cara ni, kita kenal each other lebih detail, and kita tau siapa
kita boleh rujuk, at least straight to the right person..

just my 2 cents.



Regards,
Faizal Heesyam

[edthix]

Sorry, tiada bantahan di sini, cuma tukar title dari "Come with me"

+1 pairacy
+1 paragasu
+1 irwansham

-Ed-


On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:20:00 +0800, Faizal Heesyam <pai...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[irwan sham]

I agree with you tuan Faizal. We need to get the ball running.

Sent from my iPhone

[paragasu]

agree with u

[paragasu]

I don't really care about the name, i like the name "Linux" actually,
GNU/Linux seems to long
and feel not comfortable.

If i want to address my favorite Linux Distro i just called it "Debian" .. LOL

On 9/23/09, edthix <edt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

[Faizal Heesyam]

so... where should we start?

Regards,
Faizal Heesyam

[paragasu]

i think we should start with the next meeting.. LOL

[Faizal Heesyam]

bah.. somewhere in november lah.. sound2 aa!

Regards,
Faizal Heesyam