Job survey.

[Farhan AngelicTears]

Hi to all members :D

I see many of kk-lug members are in software and I.T carrier, so I do
have a question.
I hope that all can answer to help other to start a carrier.

For the question, what are the chances on starting a carrier in
Government sector jobs (SPA) for example and/or Private sector jobs
(if any) for a SPM (10 credits above) graduates? And if there are any,
what would the current expected maximum salary.
This is of course for those who want to start a carrier early and work
their way which may/or may not studying while working. It would be
helpful to also included any Private sector companies who are willing
to provide vacancy for any who interested. (As of myself, I have some
financial problem so I can't continue my studies, so I am looking
other alternatives or other solution to iron out all the confusion)

Again, thank you for your time answering and providing insight to this
matter.
Salam.

Farhan Hakim

[Edham Arief Dawillah]

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:23:34 +0800, Farhan AngelicTears
<ayie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi to all members :D

Hi, didn't notice this email LOL

> I see many of kk-lug members are in software and I.T carrier, so I do
> have a question.
> I hope that all can answer to help other to start a carrier.
>
> For the question, what are the chances on starting a carrier in
> Government sector jobs (SPA) for example and/or Private sector jobs
> (if any) for a SPM (10 credits above) graduates? And if there are any,
> what would the current expected maximum salary.

For Public sector they have their own pay scheme if I'm not mistaken. If
you join
Public without any diploma/degree the most in IT will be Technician level
if I'm
not mistaken. But admission is pretty hard since you have to go through
SPA.

Mungkin abglang, faizalheesyam boleh explain further?

> This is of course for those who want to start a carrier early and work
> their way which may/or may not studying while working. It would be
> helpful to also included any Private sector companies who are willing
> to provide vacancy for any who interested. (As of myself, I have some
> financial problem so I can't continue my studies, so I am looking
> other alternatives or other solution to iron out all the confusion)

For private sector as a start you might be underpay since you have no
higher qualification
so employers might take advantage. Let say you got a job as a programmer
(and if you're a
good one) employers might "try" you out for a year or two. During this
time I say take the
opportunity first.

Maybe you can do work + study like a friend of mine. But quite hard to
manage (he went
to Cosmopoint part time for Graphics diploma after years working after
high school).
That way you can soften the financial impact.

Another option since Diploma in private college might be expensive, you
can try Politeknik
or Institute Latihan Perindustrian/IKM (they have certification and
cheaper than private college).
You'd be lucky if you can get credit transfer.

> Again, thank you for your time answering and providing insight to this
> matter.
> Salam.

Salam

> Farhan Hakim
>

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[PC@Borneo]

Interesting question. Perhaps we can take this as a topic for discussion in WebCamp, or in our roadshow to schools, etc.

I agree with Ed that in the ICT industry, most SPM leavers mostly end up being IT technicians, more prominently in the consumer market. Of course, there are some who created a career in software development. 

As a potential ICT employer in the Private Sector, it is advantageous if the potential employee has paper qualifications, however, necessary skills such as good attitude, sound technical (be it hardware or software development) knowledge and resourcefulness are key qualities required (I'll lump these qualities into the term 'ICT skills'). To me, there are 3 types of people in the ICT industry:

1. People with paper qualification only

2. People without paper qualification but with strong ICT skills 

3. People with both paper qualification and ICT skills

Out of the above, of course, no. 3 is best but if I am to choose between 1 & 2, I'll definitely go for 2.

ICT is a continuous learning industry. One must have passion and accepts the fact that this is not a 9-5 job. 

Salary-wise, like what Ed mentioned, if you do not have any paper qualification, no matter how good you are, employers can still manipulate your salary.

Thanks & regards,

pc.

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[Ahmad Hafeezi bin Ali Amat]

I agree with both Ed and PC. It is very rare for SPM leavers to get IT jobs other than being Technicians. One other job that is possible for SPM leavers are Web Site Content maintainers. They don't do the difficult part of creating web pages in HTML or PHP or anything like that. But more like simpler jobs such as posting a blogs, or even updating a page on a web site. Usually these websites run on CMS like Wordpress, Drupal and the likes of it.

As an employer myself in the Private Sector, I don't run a big enterprise. Only a small firm. Initially I was a 1 man operation. Now I have just recently hired 2 employees to help me out and we became a 3 man operation. Or more like 2 man operation since 50% of the work I still do myself. :)

Anyways, for potential employees in the IT industry, as PC have mentioned, Paper Qualifications and ICT Skills are very important. Only problem for me is that these days, paper qualifications does not produce the right ICT skills that we needed. So, in regards to my own preference in hiring, are;

- willingness to learn & experiment (learn really fast and produce results quickly)
- a good attitude
- good communication skills
- team player

Since I'm a very small firm, we don't make that much profits compared to the bigger companies in Sabah. They are able to provide you with somewhat higher pay compared to the smaller firms. Although, at times, being in a smaller firm may give you more job satisfaction compared to bigger companies. Mainly because in a small firm, employees can see the direct impact of their work to the firm's income and at the same time, the customer that they serve.  Unlike big companies especially Government, at times you will feel that either you work or not, nothing happens. You still get paid.

Although this greatly depends on the owner of the firm. If he's a highly motivated and enthusiastic person, you would be very happy to work with him. If not, very high chance that you wouldn't want to stay there long.

Hope that can give a bit of pointers.

Sincerely,

Ahmad Hafeezi bin Ali Amat
Business Analyst / BIS Consultant
Mirae Kaze Consulting
Cell: 016-3049329

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[ed_thix]

Haha but don't forget, the world is a great market.

To Farhan, you can always sharpen your Android/Ios kung fu and deliver a kick ass Android/ios app and turn millionaire or become an indy developer.

Off course the risk is different than a permanent day to day job.

:-)

[TS Lim]

I'm going to give my opinion solely for the software development world. 

As mentioned by PC, the best is you are good and have the qualification for it. But it is much harder to find people with good skills than qualification. 

Although employers can say that you lack qualification but no one can argue with your accomplishment. As a programmer/software developer, it is getting easier and cheaper for you to build up a portfolio. 

Now with sites like codecademy.com it's easier to learn how to code and we will be seeing more self taught programmers. 

If I were to hire someone, my first and only criteria will be skill besides the usual character and attitude requirements. Qualification isn't relevant for me. 

This is of course my opinion on the matter. Hope that helps. 

Regards,

TS Lim

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[AngelicTears]

Thanks for the advice gurus :D

Well, for me, I had to hold of my diploma as for some personal reasons. So any advice are very useful for me as I am, to be honest, inexperience. I am planning to work my way to support my studies later on. Any real world advice that can be useful for me? Again thanks again for the useful advice :D