Knifing Last Night
Darrell
at AJ's last night, approx 2 AM?
Jeff Teeple
"Darrell" <czosnekR...@kapusta.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone here what happened with the guy getting stabbed in the throat
> at AJ's last night, approx 2 AM?
Damn, wish you were kiding... That explains the police presence downtown
this morning.
I hope they catch the coward responsible... Just ashame that the Canadian
mis-Justice system will fail us on this one yet again.
The dirt bag deserves a long term behind bars... I wager he/she won't even
go away for a full year.
Dezzel
> Anyone here what happened with the guy getting stabbed in the throat
> at AJ's last night, approx 2 AM?
no i was there, he got stabbed in the eye. it was crazy !
Kathleen
still won't actually spend more than a few months behind bars. It's because
of people like that I don't go to the bars anymore. You used to be able to
go to the bar and have a good time without having to worry about anything
like this. Maybe if the system were harder on people that did stuff like
this, it wouldn't happen as often.
Kathleen
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Jeff Teeple
"Kathleen" <poohb...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Even if the person got sentenced to a year (which they probably won't),
> they
> still won't actually spend more than a few months behind bars. It's
> because
> of people like that I don't go to the bars anymore. You used to be able to
> go to the bar and have a good time without having to worry about anything
> like this. Maybe if the system were harder on people that did stuff like
> this, it wouldn't happen as often.
>
> Kathleen
>
Something is wrong with our society... Because you are right... Once apon a
time, one did not worry about this. The most I worried about in the bars was
getting too intoxicated and falling down stairs or something. Or at the very
worst a bit o knuckle dusting.
Now it's knives, next it's guns. All over a scuffed shoe no doubt, or some
equally trivial matter.
gord
missed. it hit a black dude , so buddy goes over to say sorry and a pushing
match happens. than a bouncer tries to stop it and black dude stabs the
other guy and runs. this is what i heard.news:Ep31e.12004$RM2...@read1.cgocable.net...
Dezzel
> The black guy was a shit-hop "DJ" from TO.
it was just on the news, black guys name is
Bruce Mackenzie, has dread locks & 6'.
Brandon Gould
our society is in. Piece of ice... what the hell... that bla rappa' NEEDS to
be locked up for a long time to get his psyche in shape.
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Jeff Teeple
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> This kind of stuff makes me furious. Rappa' from tor? This is the
> condition our society is in. Piece of ice... what the hell... that bla
> rappa' NEEDS to be locked up for a long time to get his psyche in shape.
>
The peice of garbage stabbed the dude 7 times.. I would give the first 2
manslaughter. The next 5 are murder. The cowardly peice of garbage needs to
be locked up for life (damned shame we do not have capitol punishment).
VelvetElvis
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:51:55 -0500, "gord" <gkir...@cogeco.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>it was over a piece of ice i am told. the guys g/f threw ice at him and
>>missed. it hit a black dude , so buddy goes over to say sorry and a pushing
>>match happens. than a bouncer tries to stop it and black dude stabs the
>>other guy and runs. this is what i heard.
>
>The black guy was a shit-hop "DJ" from TO. His pals were nabbed by the
>polis, and gave him up, so the polis have his name, description, etc.
>The polis were guarding a garbage can at the Blockbuster corner, must
>be some evidence in there. The polis have dropped off posters of the
>low-life at the train bus plane. One of his cohorts was also the
>driver of the car they used to drive here from TO. Thats means the
>rappin killah has no way to get home. I hope he`s caught soon. Jesus.
>The victims throat was opened up right in front of his poor
>girlfriend. There is also a second stabbing victim. The local papes
>should have more tomorrow.
Was the victim killed?
whistleblower
By Jennifer Pritchett Local News - Saturday, March 26, 2005 @ 07:00
A Queen’s University football player was murdered inside a crowded
downtown Kingston bar around 2 a.m. yesterday, his killer stabbing him
in front of numerous witnesses before fleeing.
Justin Schwieg, 23, a physical education student who grew up in the
city’s west end, died after he was stabbed at AJ’s Hangar in what police
describe as an unprovoked attack by a man who ran after bar staff
confronted him.
A manhunt was underway last night for Bruce Keno Elijah McKenzie, 26,
of Brampton. Also known as Fuzzy or Fuzz J, he’s wanted for first-
degree murder.
Police believe McKenzie to be armed and dangerous and are advising
people not to approach him before calling 911 to report his whereabouts.
“This is a tremendous loss to our community, all because of a vicious
and cowardly act,” said Kingston Police Det.-Sgt. Harley Kellar.
Yesterday’s homicide is the first in Kingston since 2003.
Though investigators are releasing few details about the killing,
witnesses say Schwieg was stabbed in the throat as he stood among a
group of people near the second-floor bar at AJ’s, 393 Princess St.
Chaos erupted after the attack as screaming patrons pushed and shoved
each other to get their coats out of the coat check so they could
quickly leave the large dance bar, witnesses say.
Moments later, police and ambulance personnel arrived, the music was
turned off and an announcement over the sound system instructed all
patrons to leave the bar.
Schwieg, who worked part time as a bouncer at The Brass, a Princess
Street bar not far from AJ’s, was taken to Kingston General Hospital,
where he died.
His family hasn’t made a public statement about his death.
“We’re just in a grieving process – if you could please respect that
we’d appreciate it,” said a man who answered the phone at the family’s
home last night.
Yesterday, police had cordoned off the entire block around AJ’s,
treating the area known as The Hub – a strip of Princess Street jammed
with as many as nine bars – as a crime scene for most of the morning.
About a dozen investigators combed the area.
Until about noon, police barricades blocked off all traffic on Princess
Street between Division and Barrie streets. Barrie Street was also
closed between Queen and Princess streets.
Officers searched garbage cans in the area and used a tractor to lift a
dumpster in the alleyway behind the nightclub to search around the
container.
At the intersection of Queen and Clergy streets, a Kingston Police
officer in a marked cruiser kept close watch of a garbage container with
the lid removed and laid beside it near the Blockbuster parking lot. The
container was cordoned off with yellow tape.
From the early morning until the afternoon, investigators scanned the
ground around the nightclub for anything that might help lead them to
their suspect.
The Kingston Police dog, Scout, and his handler, Const. Paul Doak, were
called in to assist in the search.
Kingston Fire and Rescue’s largest aerial unit was parked with its
ladder extended high above the rooftops at Princess and Barrie streets
as a firefighter stood at the top, appearing to be scanning the tops of
the buildings.
All morning, people stopped near the police barricades to ask officers
what had happened, but were told nothing of the murder.
Even residents who live in the area weren’t permitted to return to their
apartments until the afternoon.
Kha Dang, who lives in a unit on Barrie Street, returned home yesterday
morning and police told him he couldn’t go inside.
Hours later, he was still standing on the sidewalk on Barrie Street
waiting to be allowed to return to his apartment.
“They told me nothing about what happened,” he said.
A Kingston Police cruiser was parked in front of AJ’s and yellow tape
blocked entry to both that nightclub and neighbouring Hoppin’ Eddy’s
restaurant.
Most restaurants and businesses in the cordoned-off area reopened around
noon, but AJ’s, Hoppin’ Eddy’s and The Brass remained closed.
It’s not known if the businesses will reopen today.
Ross Grieve, who owns AJ’s and other establishments on the block,
including Stages nightclub and The Grizzly Grill restaurant, sounded
shaken as he spoke to a Whig reporter yesterday.
“This is a tragedy beyond comprehension,” he said in a telephone
interview.
The businessman declined to comment further on what happened inside the
bar because of the ongoing police investigation.
Grieve read the following written statement:
“Staff and management are deeply shocked at the senseless act of
violence by one individual at AJ’s Hangar early Friday morning. Our
thoughts and sympathies are with the Schwieg family at this time and
unfortunately, while this police investigation is continuing, we are not
at liberty to comment further.
“Staff are co-operating completely with the police. I would love to say
something [more], but I can’t.”
By noon, about two dozen staffers at The Brass were huddled inside the
bar after the manager, Mike Wieber, called them together for a meeting.
Young staffers, many of whom are university students, appeared shaken as
they arrived at the bar.
Wieber declined to comment.
Patrons who were inside AJ’s when the stabbing occurred are also
reeling.
Mandy Snyder, 19, had no idea that something bad had happened until she
wandered upstairs at AJ’s sometime around 2 a.m. and saw someone lying
on the floor with a lot of people crouched around him.
“I was going up near the pool table near the bar – I was going to get my
coat,” she said. “Everybody was pushing. I just stood there. I didn’t
know what to do. It’s like I was just in shock.”
At first, she didn’t know what was wrong with the person on the floor.
“I saw the bouncers and the bartenders all around him,” she said. “I was
standing back and I couldn’t see what they were doing because they were
around him.”
She couldn’t hear anything because the dance music was still playing at
that point.
“It was chaotic,” she said.
She remembers seeing blood on the floor and then lots of police officers
rushing into the upstairs bar.
“Then they cleared the bar out and made everybody stand out front until
they got the people out and asked questions,” she said. “They asked if
if I saw anything and I said no. All I said was that I saw the blood.”
She said she waited outside with dozens of others for 90 minutes before
they were allowed back inside to get their coats.
Snyder said she also saw a young woman being taken out of the bar on a
stretcher around the same time as the stabbing.
However, Kingston Police Staff Sgt. Mike Attwood said investigators
aren’t aware of a woman being injured at AJ’s early yesterday.
“It was a completely different confrontation and we’ve never been told
about it – it was definitely not in regards to this incident,” he said.
Snyder is so disturbed by what she saw, she vowed never to return to
AJ’s.
“Personally, I’ll never go back to that bar again because I was so
scared,” she said.
She pointed to another stabbing at AJ’s several weeks ago.
In that attack, a teenage girl was stabbed in the back of the arm and
shoulder with a broken beer bottle while in a washroom at the nightclub
during the early hours of Feb. 27.
The 19-year-old received 100 stitches and might not have survived had it
not been for a group of quick-thinking women who administered first aid.
She has since been released from hospital.
Cleopatra Ncube, 21, has been charged with assault with a weapon,
aggravated assault and possession of a dangerous weapon. She’s been
released on bail.
Some would say these violent acts are anything but isolated incidents in
Kingston’s “hub” of downtown nightlife.
A Kingston Police report nearly five years ago highlighted the area as a
magnet for trouble.
Statistics compiled by the force in 2000 show that nearly half of all
calls for service in the downtown core between Division and Ontario
streets were to one block – the area between Division and Barrie streets
– from January to September of that year.
After the report was made public, Kingston Police Chief Bill Closs
described the situation in the hub at that time as “becoming
problematic.” He said the problem was related to the concentration of
establishments in one small area.
Criminologist Ray Lonsdale, who produced the calls-for-service study,
also had some damning commentary about the entertainment district in
September 2000, at a meeting of Kingston’s police services board, the
civilian body that oversees the force.
“It’s a completely safe city once the sun [comes] up, but when the sun
goes down, exercise some discretion,” he said.
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Darrell
Just read about it in the Whig today...bad, bad, stuff.
Suffering from an aggravated case of jet-lag that night, I just
happened to be listening to my scanner around 0200 while on the
computer. Police on scene and employees at AJ's were freaked-out...
Darrell
1.8 Turbo
He's being charged with 1st degree murder and carrying a concealed weapon.
Jeff Teeple
"1.8 Turbo" <1point...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> CBC radio reported this afternoon that the suspect has turned himself in.
> He's being charged with 1st degree murder and carrying a concealed weapon.
>
Damn shame that he won't actually be punished.
I bet is momma is real proud. Raising a coward like that must be hard.
tbone
i think it would take a lot of courage to attack someone with a knife.
obviously it could be described as a "stupid" action, but a "cowardly" one?
Brandon Gould
isnt hice? Quirk of society my friend.
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Just B. Cause
weapon. It takes courage to go up to a stranger and apologize for something
your partner/friend/acquaintance did accidentally.
On another note, I don't think the racial slurs/comments/innuendos need to
be used in this (or any) discussion.
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skelter
this incident when it hasn't even got that far yet.
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Dood
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> I find it mind-boggling how you all can attack the justice system in
> this incident when it hasn't even got that far yet.
>
>
humping the "no premeditation" angle. Plus he turned himself in. The only
question remaining is what the charge will be reduced to. I'll bet the
"first-degree" won't last beyond his first court-date...and downhill from
there. Speculation? Maybe; but based on current trends.
Dezzel
> humping the "no premeditation" angle. Plus he turned himself in. The only
> question remaining is what the charge will be reduced to. I'll bet the
> "first-degree" won't last beyond his first court-date...and downhill from
> there. Speculation? Maybe; but based on current trends.
>
it was cold murder, with no regard for the person that he killed! and he
ran! now he turns himself in because he feels bad ? heh ! String him up!!
whistleblower
Whoa.... You need to give your head a serious shake.
--
whistleblower
Arrest in jock's slaying STABBING CALLED UNPROVOKED By NELLY
ELAYOUBI, SUN MEDIA
A FORMER Brampton man wanted for the stabbing death of a Queen's
University football player turned himself in early yesterday. Charged
with the first-degree murder of Justin Schwieg, Bruce Keno Elijah
McKenzie, 26, is expected to appear in court today.
Schwieg, 23, was at the popular AJ's Hangar bar with his girlfriend
early Friday when he was confronted and stabbed in the neck.
The attacker fled the bar and Schwieg was rushed to Kingston General
Hospital, where he died less than two hours later.
NO KNOWN MOTIVE
The suspect and victim weren't known to each other and there is no known
motive. Kingston police spokesman Mike Weaver said reports from
witnesses indicate there wasn't an altercation before the stabbing and
it was unprovoked.
McKenzie turned himself in at 3:15 a.m. yesterday to the relief of the
community.
"It was a point of anger up until that point and now that he's in
custody it doesn't mean that everything is going to subside," said
Schwieg's coach Pat Sheahan. "I think there was a little bit of relief
knowing that the (alleged) culprit is at least incarcerated and justice
can begin."
COURT APPEARANCE
Toronto police have also arrested Michael Croctobal at the request of
Kingston police. The 23-year-old man has been charged with being an
accessory after the fact to a murder.
Weaver said Croctobal allegedly drove McKenzie "back to the
Toronto area."
Croctobal was expected to be brought back to Kingston to make a court
appearance today.
Schwieg is survived by his mother, Christine McLaughlin, and stepfather,
Terry McLaughlin, his father, an older brother who lives in Ottawa and a
stepsister.
Reached at the McLaughlin home yesterday afternoon, a man who identified
himself as a relative said the family was not commenting.
u know who
caring the concealable weapon while heading out on the town..... course that
raises the excuse that it is for self defence,,,, which comes back to again
"if attacked would you attack back with the knife knowingly that the weapon
can kill .........and bam off to jail 25 yrs murder.
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u know who
the crown the police the court oh and why drag witnesses through it again.
"Scott Helesic" <shel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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> I`ll expectorate for you. It will plead to Manslaughter. It will be
> sentenced to(via our lovely plea-bargaining system) to any-
> where from 7 to 13 years. And out in much less, naturally.
>
>
>
> Scott Helesic
> Kingston, Ontario
> Canada
>
>
> "The Internet: A vanity press for the deranged."
> -Erik-Lars Nelson
Jeff Teeple
> this incident when it hasn't even got that far yet.
>
Easy to predict what is going to happen. At least for anyone who reads
newspapers. You would get more time for tax evasion then murder now days (oh
wait, the majority of murders get plea bargined down to manslaughter).
The Canadian Justice system is broken... Taking the head in the sand
approach will not fix it. A nice start would be when judges throw out that
credit for time served crap. Then they can start applying the min/max that
are on the books. No need to change the laws, just apply them.
Mike Robinson
reasonable to say that if I slash your throat you will die, it was meant to
kill not injure.
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Joe Hamburger
news, so I don't know all of the details of what happened to the most
unfortunate Queens student. Scum like this (if indeed the murderer) needs
to be put away FOR EVER plus a day.
Joe HamburgerJoe Hamburger burge...@sympatico.ca
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Joe Hamburger
I just wanted to drop a line saying how proud I am to see such a huge
response and public outcry in response to this horrific incident that
resulted in the senseless loss of life in this despicable act.
I have often criticized the contents of what I see in this particular NG.
However, seeing the absolute outrage expressed by contributors to this NG
regarding this travesty gives me faith back that indeed we here do live in a
decent and caring municipality.
Joe Hamburger burge...@sympatico.ca
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VelvetElvis
>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:30:04 -0500, "Dood" <first...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>I`ll expectorate for you. It will plead to Manslaughter. It will be
>sentenced to(via our lovely plea-bargaining system) to any-
>where from 7 to 13 years. And out in much less, naturally.
And even less when you factor in the ludicrous "2 for 1" deal they get for
time served.
Foos Babaganosh
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:51:55 -0500, "gord" <gkir...@cogeco.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>it was over a piece of ice i am told. the guys g/f threw ice at him and
>>missed. it hit a black dude , so buddy goes over to say sorry and a pushing
>>match happens. than a bouncer tries to stop it and black dude stabs the
>>other guy and runs. this is what i heard.
>
>The black guy was a shit-hop "DJ" from TO. His pals were nabbed by the
>polis, and gave him up, so the polis have his name, description, etc.
>The polis were guarding a garbage can at the Blockbuster corner, must
>be some evidence in there. The polis have dropped off posters of the
>low-life at the train bus plane. One of his cohorts was also the
>driver of the car they used to drive here from TO. Thats means the
>rappin killah has no way to get home. I hope he`s caught soon. Jesus.
>The victims throat was opened up right in front of his poor
>girlfriend. There is also a second stabbing victim. The local papes
>should have more tomorrow.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Scott Helesic
>Kingston, Ontario
>Canada
>
>
>"The Internet: A vanity press for the deranged."
> -Erik-Lars Nelson
you may want to look at this website
Foos Babaganosh
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:51:55 -0500, "gord" <gkir...@cogeco.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>it was over a piece of ice i am told. the guys g/f threw ice at him and
>>missed. it hit a black dude , so buddy goes over to say sorry and a pushing
>>match happens. than a bouncer tries to stop it and black dude stabs the
>>other guy and runs. this is what i heard.
>
>The black guy was a shit-hop "DJ" from TO. His pals were nabbed by the
>polis, and gave him up, so the polis have his name, description, etc.
>The polis were guarding a garbage can at the Blockbuster corner, must
>be some evidence in there. The polis have dropped off posters of the
>low-life at the train bus plane. One of his cohorts was also the
>driver of the car they used to drive here from TO. Thats means the
>rappin killah has no way to get home. I hope he`s caught soon. Jesus.
>The victims throat was opened up right in front of his poor
>girlfriend. There is also a second stabbing victim. The local papes
>should have more tomorrow.
>
>
>
>
>
What the hell is polis. is that ebonics
George K
is cowardly. It's stupid too, but isn't quite as accurate as cowardly and
amoral.
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Jeff Teeple
seems that the only source of calm for me will be a sound beat down of this
apologist for a coward.
"tbone" <tbon...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> why do many people describe the criminal's actions as "cowardly" ?
>
> i think it would take a lot of courage to attack someone with a knife.
If the vicitim had a gun, then yes. This would be brave.
The victim did not have a gun. The victim did not know nor suspect that he
was about to be stabbed in the throat.
The coward struck without warning nor cause (a fucking ice cube does not
warrant fucking murder). The coward stabbed his victim 7 times. The coward
ran away.
>
> obviously it could be described as a "stupid" action, but a "cowardly"
> one?
It was a cowardly act commited by a coward PERIOD. The man deserves to
"...swing from his neck until dead." However our society has deemed this
cruel.
Our society prefers to rehabilitate our cowards.
Our society is FAILING.
When will we stand up and say enough is enough? When will we realize that
rehabilitation (unless it is enforced, of course that is against coward's
rights) does not work.
When will we as society stand up and demand accountablility in our justice
system. Right now there is none.
Jeff Teeple
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 02:50:35 -0500, "Jeff Teeple"
> <jte...@spamfree.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brandon Gould" <bra...@fusnet.net> wrote in message
>>news:zL71e.12021$RM2....@read1.cgocable.net...
>>> This kind of stuff makes me furious. Rappa' from tor? This is the
>>> condition our society is in. Piece of ice... what the hell... that bla
>>> rappa' NEEDS to be locked up for a long time to get his psyche in shape.
>
> it -take it!" "I am born deserving Respect -I don`t need to earn it,
> and if I don`t get it -the sentence is death!"
As someone who listens to all types of music, I find your absolute disregard
for common sense to be offensive.
Music does not shape one's morals, regardless of the lyrics. There are other
evils at work, and your obvious disdain for any one type of music is not
going to change this.
Society is going to hell in a hand basket, and people like you are helping
it on it's merry little way.
Find something or someone else to blame.
Wrong, we are all to blame. When we choose silence over reporting a crime
because we might become a victim, we are to blame.
When we fail our children by nopt paying attention to them, and teaching
them right from wrong... We are to blame.
When we fail to rehabilitate our criminals, because forced rehabilitation is
against the criminal's rights... We are to blame.
It is time to take accountability for our actions.
It is time we started demanding that our justice system takes accountability
for it's grotesque failures.
It is time we demanded our politicians are more accountable for the society
they shape.
>>>
>>
>>The peice of garbage stabbed the dude 7 times.. I would give the first 2
>>manslaughter. The next 5 are murder. The cowardly peice of garbage needs
>>to
>>be locked up for life (damned shame we do not have capitol punishment).
>>
>>> "Dezzel" <a...@me.plz> wrote in message
>>> news:zx51e.12017$RM2....@read1.cgocable.net...
>>>> Scott Helesic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The black guy was a shit-hop "DJ" from TO.
>>>>
>>>> it was just on the news, black guys name is
>>>> Bruce Mackenzie, has dread locks & 6'.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Clarke
"Jeff Teeple" <jte...@spamfree.ca> wrote in message
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| Our society is FAILING.
|
| When will we stand up and say enough is enough?
I hear this a lot, though. "I'm fed up and I am not going to take it anymore!"
What I don't hear are ideas about how to go about it, nor do I see any action
taken.
Jeff, don't take this as an attack: but what are your ideas and plans to stop
it, and how are you personally going to take part?
Cheers!
(P.S. I also agree that whoever called this guy "brave" for doing this needs to
have his head checked.)
Jeff Teeple
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>
> "Jeff Teeple" <jte...@spamfree.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> | Our society is FAILING.
> |
> | When will we stand up and say enough is enough?
>
> I hear this a lot, though. "I'm fed up and I am not going to take it
> anymore!"
> What I don't hear are ideas about how to go about it, nor do I see any
> action
> taken.
>
> Jeff, don't take this as an attack: but what are your ideas and plans to
> stop
> it, and how are you personally going to take part?
>
> Cheers!
I do not see it as an attack. You are right... I beleive that whole
heartedly. We do have to take action.
Question is, what kind of action?
My station in life indicates that I have to remain apolitical (military).
However, this will not prevent me from voting my conscience at the next
election (I just can't tell you who I would/would not vote for).
I will do my part in society. I see a crime, I will report it. No
hesitation.
I also work with kids (12-18 yr olds), and try my damnedest to give a good
role model for them. If we are going to save our future, we have to start
with our kids today.
We can do this as parents, teachers, and adults in general just by teaching
kids to be accountable for their own actions. Teach them right from wrong.
It is so simple, and yet so many people today fail in it.
Tom Harper
it end up at? Aggravated assault???
Rabid Lemur
"Tom Harper" <tjha...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d402e.12268$RM2....@read1.cgocable.net...
> Dropped to 2nd degree murder already... what a crock of shit! What will
> it end up at? Aggravated assault???
The man arrested is obviously a victim of racism. He should be
released and paid compensation. At least $1 million worth. Then
the arresting officers should be fired, fined and thrown in jail. Blacks
don't commit crimes, it's all racism! Only whites commit crimes,
'cause they have no excuse...
Amber_Lou
anymore without being afraid for their lives. What happend is a tragedy
to the community and I hope that the accused is found guilty and given
the maximum sentence. Let's hope that the judicial system doesn't fail
this poor family like it has failed other families. People say that
everything happens for a reason, and I hope that people learn from this
incident and realize that violence is stupid and proves nothing.
--
R&T
numerous times for no apparent reason is cold-blooded murder. People would
be reacting just as outraged if the criminal was caucasian.
Un-f**king-believeable!!! This has got to be a really bad joke from someone
with a really bad sense of humour!
"Rabid Lemur" <RabidLem...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Concerned
neck. He didn't punch him, or break his arm. Stupid cops are afraid of
racism when dealing with blacks or yellow etc. Fuck that this is clearly
murder plain & simple. For $50 you can buy a body metal detector, all
weapons should be checked at the door. Maybe drinks should be served in
recyclable plastic glasses even though I'd prefer a glass but the
situation is only going to get worse as parents can't raise kids these
days & can't discipline them or they are in doo doo.
This guy gets life there is no question as to his guilt.Only reason he
turned himself in is he knew his goose was cooked & didn't want a
beating he deserved while being arrested.
I hope he gets his just deserves in the pen but he will get part time so
he can keep his job.
I say make an example of this case and hang the fucker. Then people will
take notice that this behaviour will not be tolerated.
Period.
Rabid Lemur
"R&T" <tinar...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:Vo72e.9717$If1.2...@read2.cgocable.net...
> It doesn't matter what race you are, stabbing a stranger in the throat
> numerous times for no apparent reason is cold-blooded murder. People would
> be reacting just as outraged if the criminal was caucasian.
They would be *more* outraged.
Just you wait. Soon people will be saying that McKenzie
just "got in with the wrong crowd" and was "held back by the
glass ceiling" and "never got a real chance in life" because of
his colour, and all the other politically correct nonsense.
People will whine when they see his black face splashed
all over the papers and TV, crying "racism!".
This could become a mini-version of the OJ trial.
Denis
"Concerned" <n...@spam.here> wrote in message
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tbone
> If the vicitim had a gun, then yes. This would be brave.
what??? That really makes no sense to me...
> It was a cowardly act commited by a coward PERIOD. The man deserves to
> "...swing from his neck until dead." However our society has deemed this
> cruel.
I disagree, I'm thinking a cowardly act is one that "shows disgraceful
fear or timidity".
I'd say his actions were more stupid, meaning "lacking intelligence or
reason".
Jeff Teeple
> Jeff Teeple wrote:
>> If the vicitim had a gun, then yes. This would be brave.
>
> what??? That really makes no sense to me...
>
>> It was a cowardly act commited by a coward PERIOD. The man deserves to
>> "...swing from his neck until dead." However our society has deemed this
>> cruel.
>
> I disagree, I'm thinking a cowardly act is one that "shows disgraceful
> fear or timidity".
>
I would argue this MacKenzie creature displayed exactly the poor qualities
you mentioned. He showed "shows disgraceful fear or timidity". in the face
of loosing face in front of his peers and friends.
Further, the man acted cowardly in that he moved to knowingly kill this
young man without prior warning. The kid did not have a chance to defend
himself. This is a cowardly act. You are not going to change my mind on
this.
> I'd say his actions were more stupid, meaning "lacking intelligence or
> reason".
His actions were stupid, and at the same time cowardly. I hope his momma is
proud.
Just B. Cause
Are we sure this is 2005?
"Rabid Lemur" <RabidLem...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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>
>
Rabid Lemur
Ok, just make it half a million. You're clueless.
"Just B. Cause" <justc...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Nlm2e.2434$x8.5...@news20.bellglobal.com...
tbone
> "tbone" <tbon...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:Cke2e.1938$x8.5...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>Jeff Teeple wrote:
>>
>>>If the vicitim had a gun, then yes. This would be brave.
>>
>>what??? That really makes no sense to me...
>>
>>
>>>It was a cowardly act commited by a coward PERIOD. The man deserves to
>>>"...swing from his neck until dead." However our society has deemed this
>>>cruel.
>>
>>I disagree, I'm thinking a cowardly act is one that "shows disgraceful
>>fear or timidity".
>>
>
>
> I would argue this MacKenzie creature displayed exactly the poor qualities
> you mentioned. He showed "shows disgraceful fear or timidity". in the face
> of loosing face in front of his peers and friends.
>
> Further, the man acted cowardly in that he moved to knowingly kill this
> young man without prior warning. The kid did not have a chance to defend
> himself. This is a cowardly act. You are not going to change my mind on
> this.
i'm not trying to, i was just curious about the usage of that word. i
do this sometimes. you could say i'm into diction.
MiQQ
f'd up personal problem (now society's problem). Whomever it was who said
the fault rested with all of us wasn't far off the mark. The murdering
asshole is resonsible but broader society is too.
We go to bars and forget about the disproportionately high criminal element
in Kingston. Surrounded by SEVEN major penal facilities, it doesn't take an
Einstein to figure out the odds. Here's something to ponder:
Major penal facilities house offenders (from all over Canada) for long
stints of time. Typically, offenders' loved ones, often entire families,
move here to be closer because of the distance and time being served. Some
argue that birds of a feather flock together. Also, offenders tend to
remain here after release (not all but most). In any case, there is a
shitload of convicts in Kingston.
I've never been to any bar that was violence-free but AJ's is notorious for
it. Needless to say, I don't frequent that hole.
Some other things to consider are the ages and life-experience folks have
who frequent these types of places. It's a dangerous combination when you
add alcohol, false-bravado, ignorance and complacency. Toss in ignoring the
age-old rule, 'mind your business' - particularly in places like AJ's and
you've a better chance at winning the 6/49 than avoiding a violent
encounter.
A young man is dead and we all suffer his loss to some extent. Let's take
some lessons from this and hope his family and friends can find happiness
down the road and remember the good times.
As far as AJ's goes, I'm baffled that people haven't boycotted that dump a
long time ago. The cost of a single metal detector is far less than a
funeral and can't compare to the loss of life. If anyone's moral senses are
suffering, write letters, demonstrate, visit our MP (Peter Milliken) and DO
something.
Enough said.
Miqq
"Just B. Cause" <justc...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>I don't think it takes much "courage" to attack an unarmed person with a
>weapon. It takes courage to go up to a stranger and apologize for something
>your partner/friend/acquaintance did accidentally.
> On another note, I don't think the racial slurs/comments/innuendos need to
> be used in this (or any) discussion.
>
> "tbone" <tbon...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:pop1e.40566$nK.18...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> why do many people describe the criminal's actions as "cowardly" ?
>>
>> i think it would take a lot of courage to attack someone with a knife.
>>