Fw: RE: Khatamunnabiyyin (Surah Al Ahzab 33.40) WHERE ARE ALLAH ( HOLY QUR'AN ) SAYS ??? THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD
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45. يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ شَاهِدًا وَمُبَشِّرًا وَنَذِيرًاO | ||||||||||
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45. O (Esteemed) Prophet! Surely, We have sent you as a Witness (to the truth and the creation), a Bearer of glad tidings (of the beauty of the Hereafter) and a Warner (of the torment in the Hereafter), | ||||||||||
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46. وَدَاعِيًا إِلَى اللَّهِ بِإِذْنِهِ وَسِرَاجًا مُّنِيرًاO | ||||||||||
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46. And (as) an Inviter towards Allah by His command and as a Sun spreading Light. | ||||||||||
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47. وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ بِأَنَّ لَهُم مِّنَ اللَّهِ فَضْلًا كَبِيرًاO | ||||||||||
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47. And give good news to the believers that there is for them Allah’s great bounty (that they are cloaked in the affinity of slavery to the Messenger of Allah). | ||||||||||
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48. وَلَا تُطِعِ الْكَافِرِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ وَدَعْ أَذَاهُمْ وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًاO | ||||||||||
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48. And never agree to what the disbelievers and the hypocrites say (i.e., ‘Conclude with us a religious agreement’). And disregard their hurtful misbehaviour, and maintain your trust in Allah (with persistence). And Allah alone is Sufficient as a Guardian (in the conflict between truth and falsehood). |
In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
Assalam u alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu
YOU PUT WRONG MEANINGS ABOUT Khaatam means a seal.
( LAST AND FINAL )
PLEASE DON'T REFUSE ,
RUN BACKWARD AND FARAWAY FROM
THE HOLY QUR'AN ( ALLAH )'s WORDS .
"O people !!!
Muhammad has no sons among ye men,
but verily,
He is the Apostle of God ( and the great and superier ) of Prophets.
And God is Aware of everything."
(Surah Al Ahzab 33.40)
This verse has been revealed in the fifth Ruku'
(para or passage) of Surah al-Ahzab.
In this Ruku' Allah has provided answers to all those objections raised by the hypocrites,
which had given rise to a storm of calumnies,
slander and mischief in respect of the marriage
of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
with Hadrat Zainab (may Allah be pleased with her).
These hypocrites argued that Zainab was the wife
of an adopted son of the Holy Prophet and by this connection
she stood in the position of the Prophet's
daughter in-law.
Hence, after her divorce from Zaid,
the Prophet had taken his own daughter-in-law as wife.
In order to refute this allegation
Allah told clearly in verse 37
that this marriage had Divine sanction behind it and was made to serve
as a lawful precedent for Muslim men to marry the wives of their adopted sons
after they had been divorced by their husbands.
Later in verses 38 and 39,
Allah affirmed that no power could hinder the Prophet
from discharging a Divine obligation.
The Prophets are ordained to fear God,
not the people.
It has been an invariable practice of the Apostles to transmit
the Divine message without any extraneous care and to perform
the duties enjoined upon them by Allah without fear or hesitation.
Afterwards a verse was revealed which extinguished
the basis of all objections.
In the first place,
they had charged
"You have taken your daughter-in-law as wife,
in contravention of your own law that the wife of a son
is forbidden to his father."
In refutation of this charge it was affirmed by the Almighty:
"Muhammad had no sons among ye men..."
The implication is that it was Allah's mandate to the Holy Prophet to wipe out
all prejudices and declare all taboos that pagan custom had unnecessarily
imposed upon the people, as lawful. In this respect the Prophet's action
was unequivocal and left no room for doubt. (see footnote 1, below.)
In order to lay particular emphasis upon this point
Allah observes:
(Khatamun-Nabbiyeen)
40. مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًاO 40. Muhammad (blessings and peace be upon him) is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the Prophets (the great and superier of the Prophets). And Allah is the Perfect Knower of everything.
WHERE ARE ALLAH ( HOLY QUR'AN ) SAYS ???
THE LAST OR FINALITY
So !!!
WHERE ARE THE LAST OR FINALITY WORDS ???
YOU PUT WRONG MEANINGS ABOUT Khaatam means a seal.
( LAST AND FINAL )
PLEASE DON'T REFUSE ,
RUN BACKWARD AND FARAWAY
FROM
THE HOLY QUR'AN ( ALLAH )'s WORDS .
Read this again,
but this time carefully.
ALLAH will help you to understand.
INSHAH ALLAH !!!
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Can there be Prophets after Prophet Muhammad (saw)
Yes.
Prophets are appointed by God to reform people and guide them to their Creator.
Through their high moral and spiritual conduct they bring people back on to the path of righteousness.
What distinguishes prophets from saints and other men of religion is the great frequency with which God communicates with them and the fact that God gives them intimation of future events.
A Muslim believes that prophets appeared in all nations of the world. This includes the Israelite prophets mentioned in the Holy Qur’an and the Bible as well as the prophets of other religions such as Zoroaster (as), Krishna (as), Ram Chandar (as) and Buddha (as).
Prophethood commenced with Prophet Adam (as) and reached its pinnacle with Prophet Muhammad (saw).
According to Islam no new independent prophet can now appear. However, Prophethood as an institution has not ceased.
According to the Holy Qur’an and other Islamic sources there can be a prophet after Prophet Muhammad (saw) provided he follows the Shariah of Muhammad (saw) and is completely subordinate to him – since Islam is the perfect religion.
This perfection of teachings, however, is no guarantee of the perfection of mankind and Muslims – like followers of all religions before them – were also to drift away from the true teachings of their religion after the demise of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
There would therefore be a need for a prophet to rekindle the true teachings and spirit of Islam and put mankind back to the ‘right path’ and this is why according to Islam only law-bearing prophethood ended with Prophet Muhammad (saw) but not prophethood itself.
This interpretation is not only in accordance with the teachings of the Holy Qur’an and hadith, but is also in conformity with the understanding of great Muslim scholars.
Man, being the chief of Allah’s creation, has been created with a grand purpose and with a free will. Being blessed with wisdom, he can sift right from wrong and truth from falsehood. All of man’s faculties and energies should be used to achieve this supreme objective.
To help him, God, out of His benevolence raises prophets, who serve as models. These prophets have been appearing amongst all people and in all parts of the world. Their mission has always been to guide mankind to its Creator through their example and model.
The guidance revealed through each prophet was designed to cater for the specific needs of the time and location; hence they were essentially temporary in nature. With the advancement and maturity of mankind God sent advanced and matured teachings suitable to their time. God’s guidance for human race commenced through Prophet Adam (as) and reached its zenith through Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Islam has a unique claim to be the perfect religion as the Holy Qur'an states:
This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion. (Ch.5: V.4)
This makes clear that there cannot be any new laws or new religion. However this does not preclude the need for guides or prophets to remind people of the true meaning of Islam.
History shows that every time a prophet came he set people on the path to God, but after a prophet’s demise people drifted away from that path. So a prophet who would bring people back to the true Islam is not just possible but would be a blessing for Muslims.
Types of Prophets
According to history that there are mainly two types of prophets that have appeared – those that were law-bearing (ie they brought a new or a revised code of religious law) and those that upheld and served the prevailing religious law.
The first category therefore includes prophets such as Adam (as), Moses (as) and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), and the second category includes prophets such as Aaron (as) David (as) and Jesus (as). (Holy Qur’an with English Translation and Short Commentary by Malik Ghulam Farid, Islam International Publications, 2002. Ch2:V.254, footnote 314)
The first type of prophethood came to a close with the demise of the Holy Prophet (saw) of Islam. With regards to the second type of prophethood the Ahmadi Muslim philosophy is that the door to this type of prophethood remains open. After Prophet Muhammad (saw) a new prophet may appear but only if he adheres to and revives the law of the Holy Prophet (saw) as contained in the Holy Qur’an.
This is because the Law brought by Prophet Muhammad (saw) has reached the pinnacle of religious evolution and reviving an earlier and less complete religion than Islam would take mankind backwards rather than forwards. In other words, a prophet can only appear if he is in total submission and conformity to the Holy Prophet (saw).
Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), the Promised Messiah and Mahdi and founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, claimed to be such a follower and subordinate of the Holy Prophet (saw).
Commenting on his divinely appointed title of prophet, the Promised Messiah (as) writes,
‘This status and title has been bestowed on me only because I am a true follower and servant of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.’(Tajalliyat-i-Ilahiya, pg24-25).
Evidence from the Holy Qur’an
According to the Qur’an prophethood is a bounty from God and is the blessed path upon which Muslims seek to be guided. In fact in the very first chapter of the Holy Qur’an, God enjoins Muslims to offer the prayer,
Guide us in the right path – The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings. (Ch.1:Vs.6-7)
This path of God’s ‘blessings’ is described in detail in Chapter Al-Nisa, which states,
And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs and the Righteous. (Ch.4:V.70)
Practicing Muslims repeat Surah Fatihah at least 32 times in any given 24 hour period. In each repetition they implore Allah to raise prophets from amongst the faithful (i.e. those on whom Allah bestows His blessings). If prophethood had ceased to exist, then the requirement that they pray for such a blessing would appear to be futile.
In another chapter of the Holy Qur’an, Allah addresses humanity and says:
O children of Adam! If Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve. (Ch.7:V.36)
This verse clearly keeps open the possibility of prophets appearing in this world.
The Holy Prophet as ‘Khataman Nabiyyeen’
The Holy Qur'an states,
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and Khataman Nabiyyeen; and Allah has full knowledge of all things. (Ch.33:V.41)
The word Khatam means ‘seal’ and thus the expression ‘Khataman Nabiyyeen’ means ‘The Seal of the Prophets’. The verse, therefore, states that Muhammad (saw) is not the father of any man but is the Messenger of Allah and is the Seal of the Prophets.
The essential meaning of the word ‘Khatam’ in Arabic usage has always been applied to mean not ‘last in time’ but ‘the ultimate in status’. Hence, Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the final authority on prophethood, or to put it simply no prophet can appear after him who will support or revive any religion other than the religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (saw). Anything to the contrary would effectively seek to ‘break his seal’ on the issue of prophethood. This is because the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (saw) has incorporated the beauties of all religions and completed the religious teachings to perfection.
It is well known, however, that the purpose of a seal is not to close a statement but it is far more important than that. Its true purpose is to certify something as correct. That is why a seal is affixed to a document at its top or at its end. Its purpose is to certify the veracity and accuracy of the contents of the document.
Hence the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) testifies to the truth of all the prophets. This is why one of the Articles of Faith in Islam is to believe in all the prophets.
After the truce of Hudaybiyyah, when the Holy Prophet (saw) decided to address letters to the rulers and chiefs of surrounding territories inviting them to accept Islam, he was told that rulers and chiefs do not attach any significance to a communication addressed to them unless it bears the seal of the writer.
Thereupon, the Holy Prophet (saw) had a seal prepared which was thereafter used for the attestation and certification of documents sent by him. (Bokhari and Muslim)
Given that the purpose of a seal is attestation and certification, the interpretation of the verse in question would be that although the Holy Prophet (saw) had no male issue, yet being the Messenger of Allah, he is the spiritual progenitor of his followers. He is, therefore, not without issue but has a large spiritual progeny. It is added that he is not merely a Divine Messenger but is also the Seal of the Prophets, that is to say, he is not only the progenitor of the body of the believers but he is also the spiritual progenitor of the prophets and messengers. Thus, he occupies the exalted position which mandates that no prophet or messenger can appear after him unless he bears with him the confirmatory seal of the Holy Prophet (saw).
If this verse is construed as meaning that the Holy Prophet (saw), was absolutely the last prophet, the verse becomes meaningless. In that case its meaning would be: 'Muhammad had no son but he is the last prophet.' In Arabic idiom, the word 'but' which has been used here, is employed for the purpose of introducing an explanation in modification of what has gone before, or for the purpose of clearing a doubt which the previous statement might raise. The use of the word 'but' in this verse entails that it should be followed by a statement which modifies or clarifies that which has gone before. To take this verse to mean that Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet would render it meaningless, for it would then amount to a statement that though the Holy Prophet (saw) has no issue, no prophet will come after him either (thus depriving him of any physical or spiritual progeny). This interpretation does not do justice to the exalted and revered status of the Holy Prophet (saw).
Evidence from Hadith
Further evidence supporting the possibility of prophets appearing after Prophet Muhammad (saw) can be found in the Hadith
On the demise of his son, the Holy Prophet (saw), said,
‘If Ibrahim had lived he would have been a prophet’ (Sunan Ibn e Maja, vol. 1, p.474).
The Prophet’s son died after the verse noting the Holy Prophet (saw) as ‘Khataman Nabiyyeen’ had been revealed. Yet despite the prior existence of this verse, the Holy Prophet (saw) categorically and publicly stated that if his son Ibrahim had lived he would have been a prophet. This tells us that the Holy Prophet (saw) could not have understood the verse about ‘Khataman Nabiyyeen’ meaning that he was the last prophet.
In another hadith, the Holy Prophet (saw) is reported to have said,
‘Abu Bakr is the most exalted person in my Ummah, except the advent of a prophet in future.’ (Al Jami ul Saghir, vol. 1, p.6).
From these Ahadith, it is clear that prophethood did not cease with the Holy Prophet (saw).
It is worth also noting some Ahadith that to the lay reader may suggest that prophethood ended with Prophet Muhammad (saw). However when studied further it is clear that they cannot mean support the claim that prophethood has ceased altogether.
One of these hadith is:
‘There is no prophet after me’ (Bukhari)
However, the Holy Prophet (saw) here is referring to a law-bearing prophet. This interpretation is further clarified and confirmed by Hadhrat Ayesha (ra), wife of the Holy Prophet (saw), who said,
‘O ye people you should say that the Holy Prophet is Khataman Nabiyyeen, but do not say that there will be no prophet after him.’
(Durr e Manthoor, vol. 5, p.386).
Another hadith often quoted is:
‘I am the last prophet.’ (Sunan Nassai, Vol. 2, p.35).
Here the Holy Prophet (saw) is again referring to law-bearing prophets. This is clear from the full version of the hadith which states,
‘I am the last of the prophets and my mosque is the last mosque.’
(Sunan Nassai, vol. 2, p.35).
By juxtaposing prophet with mosque, the Holy Prophet (saw) is simply implying that there will be no prophet like him just as there will be no mosque equal in glory or piety to his mosque. Future prophets, just as mosques, will be a reflection of his prophethood and mosque.
Opinion of earlier Muslim scholars
Some of the most distinguished Muslim scholars further support the view that there can be prophets after Prophet Muhammad (saw). Maulana Rumi, known as one of the greatest mystic poets of Islam says,
‘When a master excels all others in his art, don’t you use the word “khatam” to convey the idea that he has excelled all others on his domain?’ (Mathnawi, vol. 6, p.8, 1917ed.)
And the greatest of Muslim Sufis, Hadhrat Ibn-e-Arabi, has also clearly explained,
‘The prophethood that came to an end with the advent of the Holy Prophet (saw) was the law-bearing prophethood and not the institution of prophethood itself. No law can now cancel the Law of the Holy Prophet (saw) or add anything to it. This indeed is the meaning of the saying of the Holy Prophet (saw), “La nabiyya ba ‘di” (there will be no prophet after me). This only indicates that there shall be no such prophet who shall introduce a different Shariah. But whenever there appears a prophet, he will follow my Shariah.’ (Futuhat-e-Makkiyyah, vol. 2, p.3)
Conclusion
Therefore, the Holy Qur’an, the Ahadith and religious history all support the view that prophethood has not ceased. Prophets can still appear but the only proviso is that they are Muslims and their advent reaffirms the divinely bestowed title of the Holy Prophet (saw) as ‘Khataman Nabiyyeen’.
On Finality of Prophethood !!!
¤ Introduction
¤ Evidence In The Quran
¤ Evidence in The
Ahadith
¤ The use of “KHATAM” in Arabic
¤ Opinions of Islamic Scholars
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¤ The use of “KHATAM” in Arabic
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¤ Opinions of Islamic Scholars
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The Holy Qur'an mentioning; Coming of an Ummati Nabi
--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Syed Ali <saba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Syed Ali <saba...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Khatamunnabiyyin to Syed ali
To: Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 7:47 PM
أَعُوذُ بِٱللَّهِ مِنَ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنِ ٱلرَّجِيمِبِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِاسلام علیکم ورحمۃ اللہ وبرکاتہ
From: aism...@hotmail.com
To: saba...@hotmail.com; musa...@gmail.com
Subject: FW: Khatamunnabiyyin to Syed ali
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:46:01 +0530
Dear Mr. Syed Ali,
Assalam O Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahe Wa Barakatuhu
PLEASE SCROLL DOWN TO SEE MY RESPONSE.
If you mean to say that " I am running away from our conversation", it is just not enough as you need to prove that I actually am.SA: Please check your messages and tell me when was the last time you replied back to mine. You will definitely understand what I meant.
AI-1) Jenab Syed Ali Saheb, Let us be gentlemen and don't allow our arrogance and prejudice force us to succumb to irrational beliefs and statements.Let me know for which of yr question did I run away.
SA2: Not just one, there are a few, and they are spread all over the forum. But it will be a much better approach to do one question at a time. So, here is the first one:
Q1: What is the ayat for "Messih-e-Maoud" in alQuraan ?????
Is it not true that ,I have been repeatedly asking you the same question again and again, to provide me just one proof in support of your interpretation of Khatamunnabiyyin, and infact, it was you, who have been running away from the question each time, sheltering under the disguise of abusing and accusing of HMGA.
Let me know for which of yr question I didnt give a reply.Let me know it atleast now.so that I can reply it to you. But, ofcourse there are some unfounded questions, based on your misquotes/ underquotes and lies for which, you realy don't deserve any reply. But still, if you answer to my question first, I shall give you a reply for that too.
SA2: I had answered this yesterday (see below) why did you repeat it?
Anyway, let me ask you when did I run away from argument. Infact, I have been repeatedly asking you ( & others) to produce just one proof from the Holy Quran to support your view of the term Khatamunnabiyyin. Mail after mail, I have been asking or rather insisting you’ll to show this, but unfortunately you’ll have failed to do this. The fact is that you or anyone would not be able to do that, hence it is obvious as to who actually is running away from the argument, me or you?
SA: There are 8 ayateilahi in alQuraan explaining the meanings of KaTaMa. But you are not sincere about correcting your mistakes. How one can help you out ??????? Just like your bogus nabi MGAQ you are denying the truth and running towards hell at full speed. Slow down and pay attention to alQuraan. ALLAH might guide you, if you are honest.agree
A.I.1:- I don't need 8, please just provide me one from the Holy Quran. I am anxiously waiting for it..
SA2: As you do not have time to study alQuraan yourself, so let us try it here:
The very first ayatulQuraan with "kha ta ma" is SuratulBaqarah ayat 7
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If you can not understand the meanings of Katama from this ayat and continue to argue then the next one is SuratulAnaam ayat 46
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Here it is very loud and clear that once the "khatama" is placed, there is nobody who can remove or reopen it. But for those who are not sincere about their akhirat and continue to argue with lame excuses then ALLAH taala has sealed the most appropriate meanings of this word in SuratulYasin ayat 65
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Now if you are going to say that ever after having this seal on their mouths they will be able to speak in the court of ALLAH with their mouths then believe me your faculties of intelligence are sealed and alQuraan can not be your guide on Earth. You must follow your Prophet MGAQ straight to hell.
Furthermore, I am chasing you with a hot question, and not able to bear it, you are virtually on the run. Make sure that I will be continuously chasing you till you openly raise your hand admit that you cannot prove your idea and find any proof to support it from the H.Quran. Bear it in mind that. your silence , though it is an admission, as all the open minded readers have already understood, is not enough. I need an open reply from you How far you would go, we’ll see in future.
SA: Good to see that you are following MGAQ in haughtiness too. I am heading Jannat, if I run I reach it faster. You should change your direction.
A.I. 1:- You don’t deserve a reply for this.
SA2: At least you know when to keep it quite, your false prophet MGAQ didn't.Of course, I do not wish to respond to your false, misquotations, under quotations and totally out of context references, wherein you’d accused HMGA, that he called himself God, has insulted & abused the status of Hadhrat Isa (as) and his mother etc. etc.
Such false statements, doesn't deserve any reply because, these very books of HMGA are wide open in front of me while writing this mail, and I find only pure honey in these writing, whereas, you and your colleagues are finding blood in it which indicate a sick mind.
SA: Your honey seems to be fermented by now. Once you come out of the antoxication you may see what is written in there. Just because there is no need of wasting time, I am not fetching any referrences from the filth of MGAQ. alQuraan is more than enough for guidance and misguidance as well. If you become honest, Inshaa ALLAH you will gain guidance. MGAQ is dead and gone ALLAH will take care of him, worry about yourself.
A.I.1:-. Here again you don't deserve any reply.
SA2: Here you had to agree, anyway, silence is partial agreement. And partial denial too, but I am optimistic.
Let me ask you the same simple question once again that can you prove from the Holy Quran by quoting just one verse which shows that the term ‘Khatamunnabiyyin’ means the Last of the prophets? Honestly, that should be enough for you to shut your mouth and relax since if you could do so, there was no need for you to run behind the personality of HMGA. We all could comfortably forget about all his claims of being from Allah because if Holy Quran clearly said that no one could come after the Khatamunnabiyyin (SAW) then why should any one pay heed to such a claim. If that proof could be acquired, then the claim made by HMGA was worth nothing simply because the Holy Quran, being the Words of Allah categorically stated that no one can ever come after Rasulullah (sa), why should any one lend his ear to HMGA or for that matter to any one else.
SA: Exactly, there is no need to listen to MGAQ and other misguided astray people. Come to alQuraan and see if there is any mention of Anbiya o Rusul after Muhammad elahy salaam. You might learn from alQuraan that Esa elahy salaam introduced Muhammad to his people. And Muhammad elahy salaam did not mention any one after him. QED.A.I-1:-Here you are right. Hadhrat Isa (as) introduced Muhammad Rasulullah (sa) to his people. You believe it because Holy Quran teaches us that H.isa (as) has said so. .
At the same time, you don't want to believe what Allah SubhanWaTala said in the same Quran about the Covenant that Allah took from all Prophets including from Muhammed Rasululla (sa) .And what was that covenant ? Go ahead ,open your eyes, and ears, and try to understand that.
1)Al Imran 3: 81:- وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللَّهُ مِيثَاقَ النَّبِيِّينَ لَمَا آتَيْتُكُم مِّن كِتَابٍ وَحِكْمَةٍ ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُ ۚ قَالَ أَأَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَخَذْتُمْ عَلَىٰ ذَٰلِكُمْ إِصْرِي ۖ قَالُوا أَقْرَرْنَا ۚ قَالَ فَاشْهَدُوا وَأَنَا مَعَكُم مِّنَ الشَّاهِدِينَ
" Behold! Allah took the covenant of the Prophets saying " I give you a Book and wisdom. Then comes to you a Messenger confirming what is with you. Do you believe in him and render him help" Allah said " Do ye agree and take this my covenant as binding on you ? They said " We agree ", He said" Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witness "
2) Al Ahzab 33: 7:- وَإِذْ أَخَذْنَا مِنَ النَّبِيِّينَ مِيثَاقَهُمْ وَمِنكَ وَمِن نُّوحٍ وَإِبْرَاهِيمَ وَمُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ ۖ وَأَخَذْنَا مِنْهُم مِّيثَاقًا غَلِيظًا
" And remember We took from the Prophets their covenant as (We did ) from Thee, from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, the son of Mary. We took from them a solemn covenant "
So you believe what Hadhrat Isa (as) said to his people but conveniently don't want to believe what Allah Subhanahu watala said to Muhammad Rasulullah (sa) . What could I say about your sick mind.?
SA2: What do you have to do with the covenant that ALLAH made with HIS Prophets ?????? Do you think you are a prophet yourself ???????? Or you think that everybody is a Prophet ??????? Or you are implying that every nation received a book ???????? Plus in your translation the present tense is wrongfully used for past tense. And correct translation might look like "............When I have given you whatever from the book and wisdom and then comes along a Rasool confirming what you have got then you must believe with him and you must help him.......... ". Please do not try to exploit ayatulQuraan and fear ALLAH.
Once you’d prove it from the Holy Quran, you don't need to " eat the flesh of your dead brother ( Hujrat 49 : 12 )" Hence kindly be my mender and do it, in case you are able to do it. Let me wait for this, and then we’ll see who was running away from the discussions..
SA: Who am I to mener you if ALLAH has put a seal on you ???????? But thanks for considering me as brother of MGAQ. Now show some respect and listen to brother of MGAQ very carefully........ alQuraan is the final book of ALLAH and Islam is completely defined in there. You do not need anything else for the guidance except sincerity.
A.I.1. Don't deserve as it is waste of my time.
SA2: waste of time is better than waste of life, but you do not understand. Correction: the word "mener" is a typo. Please read "mender".
Furthermore, you said that my quotes are irrelevent. Are you sure?
You said that the Bani Adam was not responsible for whatever Bani Israel had done, then what is your answer to the following verse (Al-A’raf 7:35):
يَا بَنِي آدَمَ إِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي ۙ فَمَنِ اتَّقَىٰ وَأَصْلَحَ فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
" O, ye children of Adam! whenever there comes to you Messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you, those who are righteous and mend ( their lives ), on them, shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve "
At least with an open mind, you are bound to agree that, the address here is not for Bani Israel and it is for Bani Adam, which includes you and me and hence applicable on both of us.What is the teaching here:- Whenever there comes to us Messengers amongst us, rehearsing His signs, we have to believe in him. Could there be any other meaning, other than that ? Please share.
SA: This is the problem with you guys. You try to exploit alQuraan to defend your fallacy without realizing that alQuraan is the final book of ALLAH that has closed all the backdoors for shayateen. See 7:35 the very next ayat tells us what is required to avoid Hell
A.I-1:- One can only feel pity on you. You said "This is the problem with you guys ". Can you tell me what is the problem you are talking about? .We are depending on H.Quran only and particularly for this instance from ( 3: 81 & 33 ; 7 ),and the meaning / interpretations for this is taken right from Non Ahmadis and not from Ahmadis.
Is this the problem you are talking about. Then, only Allah can help you to get out of your fallacy.
SA2: Thanks for detailing your problem yourself. I am sure, you still do not understand it. So here it is, you are trying to prove your fallacies by exploiting the ayatulQuraan, instead of correcting yourself accordingly. Stop proving Qadiyaniyat / Ahmediyat / Lahoriyat / MGAQiyat and start correcting yourself. There is no sect in Islam. There is no more Prophet after Muhammad elahy salaam. There is no book after alQuraan. There is no returning of Esa elahy salaam. There is no Messih or Mehdi after Muhammad elahy salaam. There is no fault in alQuraan. There is no compulsion in Islam.
nothing else. And see the quotes given above ie.For your information for the above 3: 87 & 33: 81, the interpretation and meaning quoted by me is from non-Ahmadi scholars and not from Ahmadis hence it is not the problem with us.
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ALLAH taala did not mention RUSUL here. HE mentioned AYAAT. I hope you understand the difference and correct yourself. This is not an open ticket for any TDH to become a Rasool without the consent of ALLAH and make Muslimoon follow him to hell. ALLAH taala has secured Islam till Qayamat in alQuraan, no one can misguide the sincere, honest and intelligent anymore.
A.I. 1:- You said Allah didn't mentioned "Rusul here ". Then what is the meaning of --" MISAQA NNABIYYINA " & THUMMA JAAKUM RASULUN "? Whom are you trying to fool?
SA2: You have fooled yourself more than enough. Now, it is time to act smart. Read my above comments carefully and then answer yourself. You have inserted comments in wrong places that is causing a little bit of confusion. Please avoid that in future and do not exploit ayatulQuraan. I do not care about Ahmedi or non-Ahmedi translations. Just give the correct reference and paste the Arabic ayat. If you use Ahmedi translation then I will appreciate that. You have not replied to the below sections, any reason ? The best thing I can suggest for you is that imagine you are not an Ahmedi, not even a Muslim and then start alQuraan and see what you become. I became a Muslim, so why can't you ????????????? wussalaam, Syed Ali.
In both cases and as per "Al Baqarah 2 : 2 " ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَيْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ " This is the book. In it is guidance sure, without doubt To those fear Allah "
Since I consider you are also from those who fear Allah and hence these verses also is appliable to you too.
SA: Do you fear ALLAH ???????? If you do then how come you believe in the crap of MGAQ and ignore alQuraan ?????
How many more such verses you’d want me to quote against just one, which I’d requested you for your interpretation? Please ask me accordingly?
SA: You quote half of alQuraan in support of your fallacies and I will reply back with the other half to correct you. There is no smartness in taking a part as the whole. Do not put yourself in hellfire. Quit MGAQ and come to Islam.
And about your comments on" 5:70 .... لَقَدْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ رُسُلًا ۖ كُلَّمَا جَاءَهُمْ رَسُولٌ بِمَا لَا تَهْوَىٰ أَنفُسُهُمْ فَرِيقًا كَذَّبُوا وَفَرِيقًا يَقْتُلُونَ"A covenant with Bani-Israel...... how could you super-impose that in support of your religion? "
Before I respond on your comment, let me reproduce the meaning once again here" We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Every time there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not --some ( of these ) they called Imposters, and some they ( Go so far as to ) slay "
Do you want to say that, these teachings in the Holy Quran were given to the men who have passed away, or for the men like us who are yet to leave this world? If that is true, don't you think, the verse is a caution for men like you and your collegues, who call the Messenger an Imposter and tried to kill him. And, is there any difference between people like you and the so called Bani Israel? It is very clear for those who want to understand.
SA: ALLAH taala has clearly mentioned in alQuraan that in this Quraan HE has told many stories of Bani-Israel. HE told us that HE turned them into Pigs and Monkeys too. Do you think by not following the "sabat" you will also become a Pig or Monkey one day?????????? Do not play with alQuraan. Do not try to exploit ayaatullah. Take Islam as it is in alQuraan or beware, you will endup in HELL.
A.I-1)And, despite all of the above proofs from the H.Quran, the way you behave and believe, it shows that you are nothing but the partners to the so called Bani Israelis.
ay ALLAH guide you upon your request. Seek refuge from Shaytaan, you are possessed.
May Almighty Allah bless all of us to recognise the truth, and tread through the right path before it is too late! Amin.
SA: ALLAH guides only those who request with sincerity. Have you ever thought that you are wrong ?????
A.I-1;- Here again, you don't deserve any reply.
Wassalam, Ahmed Ismail
O J DEEN
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Wonderful slide show on the "Concept of Khataman-Nabiyeen." Definitely, a must see!http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/Khataman-Nabiyyeen-Slides.pdf
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