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Dear all,


Many laud idea of merging BN coalition parties?


I quote the following from thestar's link
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=3D/2013/5/14/nation/13105503&sec\
=3Dnation
<http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=3D/2013/5/14/nation/13105503&se\
c=3Dnation> ;



=C2=B7 The idea of ending race-based politics by merging Umno, the
MCA and MIC as part of Malaysia's reconciliation effort after the
general election should be explored by Barisan Nasional, said Rembau MP
Khairy Jamaluddin (pic).



COMMENTS :



* Merging BN component parties? Mmmmm=C2=85.sorrylah, saya rasa
ini idea bodoh.



* Macam mana you nak merge a durian with a mango and a chiku?
(an analogy)

(means idea not practical and difficult to implement. Just a populist
approach je for those supporting or talking about the idea).



* The thing is you can explore all the ideas in the world, but
if your diagnostics of the problems are wrong in the first place,
BN would be wasting time. You won't get the results.



* As I said before, it is NOT the process, but the PEOPLE issue
you got to sort out first.



* If BN still get the crooks to still do the talking on its
behalf , the majority of the rakyat will just shut off. Kalau
dengar pun, masuk telinga kiri dan keluar telinga kanan=C2=85So our =20
dear PM should sort that out first beginning with the cabinet
appointees.



* Now the thing about "ending" race based politics is
that there are other things you can do besides merging the BN
component parties.



* Race based politics can be done either OPENLY or SILENTLY.



* Parties like DAP and even PAP, do it "silently". (On
the otherhand, UMNO, MIC and MCA do it "openly")



* What I meant by silently? Even though they (DAP & PAP) claim
to be a multiracial party, the reality is that there are only a few
token minorities in their parties? Does that make them less racist?
(Yes, on the surface aje).



* Sure, they don't talk about Chinese should do this or do =20
that, they talk about Malaysians (or Singaporeans), when addressing
their crowds. Is this the way to appear less racist then?



* Meaning UMNO can also adopt the same tactic if it wants to.
(silently instead of openly)



* UMNO can do it through 2 ways.



* One way is to tukar je nama UMNO from United Malays National
Organisation to United Malaysian National Organisation (and open
the party to non-Malays).



* Then talk about Malaysians instead of Malays from then
onwards.



* Even if UMNO were to do that, the reality is that it will =20
still be a Malay-based party with the majority of Malays still forming
the membership base. And with a big Malay majority base, they will
still vote Malays to be its leaders. But with some token
minorities in there. Jadi Macam DAP or PAP. Is that the way forward
then?



* Another option about minimizing (instead of ending race based
politics), is to not focus on the party (whether merging BN or =20
opening up UMNO to non-Malays), but instead focus on your approaches.



* How? Be more mindful when you addressing your crowd. (Coz in
the borderless world it is difficult to segregate your target
audience. Saying certain things about the Malays when you're =20
targeting them as your crowd, will also be heard by the non-Malays, thus
may upset them)



* How? Instead of saying Malays should do this or do that, use
the term umat Islam from now onwards. (since 99% of Muslims are
Malays, you're still targeting the Malays when using that =20
term). Then less racist right? Haha=C2=85



* This race based issue I think has been blown out of
proportion. For the majority of people who didn't vote BN, I
think the strong perception of corruption and lack of good
governance is the key issue, not race based politics.



* Assuming if it is true that for decades, the Chinese support
towards BN has never been more than 30% (I remember reading this
somewhere), then analyse why. The issue is not about the party
being racist but the POLICIES of the parties that they deem to be
racist. (So solving or merging component parties won't solve
the problem unless you tackle the POLICIES themselves! That is also
another reason why I said the merger idea is an idea
bodoh=C2=85hehe).



Salam,

Don








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ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">I quote the following from thestar's link&nbsp;</span><a rel=3D=
"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f=
ile=3D/2013/5/14/nation/13105503&amp;sec=3Dnation">http://thestar.com.my/ne=
ws/story.asp?file=3D/2013/5/14/nation/13105503&amp;sec=3Dnation</a>;</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:Symbol;color:#333333;">=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Ti=
mes New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;">The idea o=
f ending race-based politics by merging Umno, the MCA
and MIC as part of </span></i><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#333=
333;">Malaysia</span></i><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"=
>'s reconciliation
effort after the general election should be explored by Barisan Nasional, s=
aid
Rembau MP Khairy Jamaluddin<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</sp=
an>(pic).</span></i></p>=20

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ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

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ont-size:11.0pt;">COMMENTS :</span></u></b></p>=20

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Merging
BN component parties? Mmmmm=C2=85.sorrylah, saya rasa ini idea bodoh.<=
/span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Macam
mana you nak merge a durian with a mango and a chiku? (an analogy)</sp=
an></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><i><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;">(means idea not practical and difficult to implement. Just a
populist approach je for those supporting or talking about the idea).</span=
></i></p>=20

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">The
thing is you can explore all the ideas in the world, but if your &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp;diagnostics of the problems are wrong in the first place, BN=
would be
wasting time. You won't get the results.</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:red;text-align:justify;"><u><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">As
I said before, it is NOT the process, but the PEOPLE issue you got to =
sort
out first. </span></u></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;color:red;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">If
BN still get the crooks to still do the talking on its behalf , the
majority of the rakyat will just shut off.&nbsp;
Kalau dengar pun, masuk telinga kiri dan keluar telinga kanan=C2=85So =
our
dear PM should sort that out first beginning with the cabinet appointe=
es.</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Now
the thing about "ending" race based politics is that&nbsp; there are o=
ther things you can do
besides merging the BN component parties.</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Race
based politics can be done either OPENLY or SILENTLY. </span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Parties
like DAP and even PAP, do it "silently". (On the otherhand, UMNO, MIC =
and
MCA do it "openly")</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">What
I meant by silently? Even though they (DAP &amp; PAP) claim to be a mu=
ltiracial
party, the reality is that there are only a few token minorities in th=
eir parties?
Does that make them less racist? (Yes, on the surface aje). </span></l=
i>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:red;text-align:justify;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">Sure, they don't talk about Chines=
e should do this or do
that, they talk about Malaysians (or Singaporeans), when addressing th=
eir
crowds. </span><u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Is
this the way to appear less racist then?</span></u></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Meaning
UMNO can also adopt the same tactic if it wants to. (silently instead =
of
openly)</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">UMNO
can do it through 2 ways. </span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">One
way is to tukar je nama UMNO from United Malays National Organisation =
to
United Malaysian National Organisation (and open the party to non-Mala=
ys).</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Then
talk about Malaysians instead of Malays from then onwards.</span></li>=
=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:red;text-align:justify;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">Even if UMNO were to do that, the =
reality is that it will
still be a Malay-based party with the majority of Malays still forming=
the
membership base. And with a big Malay majority base, they will still v=
ote
Malays to be its leaders. But with&nbsp;
some token minorities in there. Jadi Macam DAP or PAP. </span><u><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Is that the way
forward then?</span></u></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:red;text-align:justify;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">Another option about minimizing (i=
nstead of ending race
based politics), is to not focus on the party (whether merging BN or
opening up UMNO to non-Malays), </span><u><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;">but instead focus on your approaches. <i></i></span></u></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">How?&nbsp; <span style=3D"color:red;">B<u>e more
mindful when you addressing your crowd.</u></span> (<i>Coz in the bord=
erless world it is difficult to segregate your
target audience. Saying certain things about the Malays when you're
targeting them as your crowd, will also be heard by the non-Malays, th=
us
may upset them)</i></span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">How?
Instead of saying Malays should do this or do that, use the term <u><s=
pan style=3D"color:red;">umat Islam </span></u>from now onwards. (since 99%=
of
Muslims are Malays, you're still targeting the Malays when using that
term). Then less racist right? Haha=C2=85</span></li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">This
race based issue I think has been blown out of proportion. For the maj=
ority
of people who didn't vote BN, I think the strong perception of corrupt=
ion
and lack of good governance is the key issue, not race based politics.=
</span></li>=20
</ul>

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ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;">Assuming
if it is true that for decades, the Chinese support towards BN has nev=
er
been more than 30% (I remember reading this somewhere), then analyse w=
hy.
The issue is not about the party being racist but the POLICIES of the
parties that they deem to be racist. (So solving or merging component
parties won't solve the problem unless you tackle the <u><span style=
=3D"color:red;">POLICIES</span></u> themselves! That is also another
reason why I said the merger idea is an idea bodoh=C2=85hehe).</span><=
/li>=20
</ul>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">Salam, </span></p>=20

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;">Don</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justif=
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style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><br></span=
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