Re: [LPNM-discuss] Fw: Federal hordes pillage Mongol property

[KCUF Media [Mike Blessing]]

Tim Claiborne wrote:
> On Mon, 11/3/08, Bob Ziesmer wrote:
>> Rob Taylor wrote:
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> I recently watched a news show where the law busted the Mongol biker
>>> gang and deservedly so. The problem is that they now have the
>>> authority to take the Mongol logo right off the back of the person
>>> wearing it. I knew when I watched the program this would happen when
>>> they announced it. This is the government over stepping its
>>> authority, because if they can do that then anything anyone wears can
>>> be prohibited material and that violates the 1st Amendment. I am
>>> willing to bet the ACLU will be defending these low life's against
>>> getting their Constitutional rights violated and the tax payer will
>>> be paying them for the justice system being out of control. Now I
>>> got to go and find where I can get this patch for display.....
>>
>> Hi Rob!
>>
>> Saw the same thing on the news, and had the same thoughts.
>>
>> My question is where does it stop? Confiscate anything with a hammer and
>> sickle? A swastika? The funny thing is that the governments represented
>> by those symbols used the same tactics ours is using now.
>
> Of course it is easier to crack down on superficial symbols than
> actually do your job as law enforcement and deal with criminal
> activity, it reminds me of growing up in Southern California, many
> cities and public places banned things like Raider hats and jackets
> because many gangs used them....you could be kicked out of malls,
> amusement park and public schools for wearing licensed NFL apparel!

I wonder how many of those shopping malls had stores that sold the
very same products that mall management banned patrons from wearing
while on the premises.

Idiotic is what this is.
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[KCUF Media [Mike Blessing]]

Shelley Thomson wrote:
> What the feds did was to seize the copyright, which enables them to
> hassle anyone wearing the insignia. I don't know under what law
> copyright infringement could be construed as a criminal rather than a
> civil offense. Conspiracy, maybe.
>
> The feds could use the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), which
> this batch of feds has probably never heard of, to seize the physical
> insignia. The trouble is that the DMCA is a civil statute. They can
> get a court order to seize the patch, but as I understand the Act,
> they'd have to get it against every individual who is infringing, as an
> individual.

The income tax is a civil statute, as well, but the ferals still put
people in prison for "failure to file." Wesley Snipes was the lastest
big-name case that I've heard of where they got a conviction.

If you want a good laugh and a peek inside the mind of the IRS fan
club, check out http://thesnipestrial.com

The "civil" aspect of most of the regulatory statutes' self-reporting
requirements is how the ferals get around the Fifth Amendment
prohibition upon forced self-incrimination.

> If you wanted to annoy the feds you could copyright a similar design and
> let gangs wear it. Then the option to enforce the copyright would be
> yours, not the feds'. I've forgotten how that Mongols patch looked.
> You might try one that looks just the same except that the o's are
> replaced by skulls.

Basically, the Mongols' patch is a black-on-white text banner --
here's a black-and-white photo of what it looks like on the back of a
member's jacket.

http://mongolsmc.com/chapter13/hitman.jpg

From what I understand, this sort of design (club name on the top
rocker, state name on the bottom one) is something of a standard with
biker clubs, especially the "one-percenter" ones.

> Or--no charge for this idea--replace the M with a menorah and copyright
> that.

Even better -- get the targeted organization to use the menorah (or
other religious symbol -- doesn't matter to me) as their club emblem,
like the LP uses the Statue of Liberty.

> Then, if the feds seize your insignia, you could demand under the DMCA
> that they turn the patches over to you as copyright owner. With a
> little help from the judge you could tie them up in court forever, and
> maybe even win money damages if they refuse to cough up the patches.
> After all, they would then be infringing on your copyright...

If the court upholds the DMCA complaint against the ferals, the ferals
might go to eminent domain as a backup plan. Then your action plan
would be to demand just compensation.

> If you really lucked out you could get a DMCA search and seizure warrant
> for the federal offices that are deemed (by you) to contain your
> insignia. These are no-notice warrants that would enable you to conduct
> your own no-knock raid on the feds with rent-a-cops hired by you. [Once
> you get in you can seize anything you want, including computers and
> files. You might have to give the computers back eventually but they
> don't have to be in working order, if you catch my drift.]
>
> These are just random thoughts, _positively not legal advice_.
>
> I have no idea what would happen if the feds asserted some kind of
> sovereign immunity defense against the DMCA. As I recall the DMCA was
> enacted in furtherance of an international treaty on copyrights, so the
> sovereign immunity defense might possibly be inoperative. :)

This isn't a bet that I'd want to stake anything valuable on, what
with the Washington Imperials accruing more and more power.

> I'd love to see somebody try this. Send me an email so I can arrange to
> be in the courtroom.

It would be interesting to watch, but I'm pretty sure that I do NOT
want to be at the defendant's table.

> Shelley
> publisher, Biased Journalism

All I found for "Biased Journalism" was a bunch of stuff attributed to
you about Hubbard's religion-on-a-bet, Scientology --

http://tinyurl.com/5dw6ml

What ever happened with the Daily Remote Viewer site?
http://dailyremoteviewer.blogspot.com/