Re: [LPNM-forum] Bob Barr supports LP's opponents!
Mike Blessing
> http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/bob-barr-an-enemy-of-libertarians/
http://weblog.xanga.com/kcufmedia/656534328/candidates-purges-and-principles.html
This was in response to "Time for a Purge," by L. Neil Smith, in last
week's TLE -- http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle466-20080504-02.html
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committed by the Republicans. I'm just adding for the record that
Democrats such as Bingaman, Jim Baca and Patsy Madrid have all too
often demonstrated their support for the same measures (USA-PATRIOT
Act, Military Commissions Act of 2006, etc.) or similar measures.
And the only reason that the Democrats haven't thrown their support
behind Medicare Part D at present is that it was signed into law by
Comrade President George XLIII, and not Al Gore or John Kerry.
Responses in detail below (interleaved)
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Bruce Bush wrote:
>
> Well, Bob's probably technically correct; "fascistic" may be a better
> descriptor for the lying Republican Bush admin scum - better,
> especially, in tersm of accessibility, easy communication with the
> masses, etc. But I think Gary is 'way deluded by buying the nominal
> distinction of "socialist" in the full name of the Nazi party! Indeed,
> I think of the creepy right-wing Feds as Nazis for very good reasons:
>
> 1. the Big Lie technique they use is - consciously or unconsciously -
> directly adopted from Goebbels, Goering and, of course, Hitler
Waco Willie Clinton lied all the time, but after a while, even the
Democrats had to admit it, so in the end, the only one he was lying to
was himself.
> 2. they are thugs, never opting for a diplomatic or cooperative
> position when they think they can get away with a military or coercive
> one
Ask a Serb how diplomatic or cooperative Clinton was during the 1998
bombing campaign.
> 3. the attacks they make (and every American administration since
> Nixon has made) on our civil liberties are deliberately as vicious and
> violent as they think they can get away with, without stirring popular
> rebellion; think: kicking in doors in the middle of the night for pot
> busts, threatening and sometimes trashing the homes and offices of
> doctors who don't tow the gov't-lie line regarding pain medicines,
> abortion counseling, or even vitamins, long mandatory-minimum prison
> sentences for non-violent non-criminals, Waco and Ruby Ridge and not
> only never an apology to the survivors, but persecution/prosecution and
> no change in Federal-Fuckhead enforcement policy
Democrats deserve equal blame here --
1. Have the Democrats repealed ANY of the Republican-sponsored laws
that infringe liberties?
2. Bill Clinton stepped up the War on Marijuana, if I recall correctly
-- I remember getting email alerts from the LP's National Headquarters
saying how marijuana prosecutions were at all-time record levels
during the Clinton Regime.
3. Democrats sponsored a few laws against liberty themselves -- either
Clinton never met a gun restriction they didn't like, the HillaryCare
health-care task force, expanded use of asset forfeiture, etc.
> 4. attacking family and friends for the punitive and coercive effect;
> because pf the drug war, now spouses who were previously immune from
> testifying against their mates will be prosecuted as accomplices for
> not turning them in and/or helping ruin their lives at hearings (most
> Fed persecutions never go to trial because of the tremendous threat
> hanging over the accuseds' heads, so they plea)
Did this STOP during the Clinton terms? NO.
> 5. using civil forfeiture to punish without trial and often with out
> charges
Waco Willie expanded the use of this, if I recall correctly.
> 6. the color of law veneered over such state-sponsored state-initiated
> terror as I've alluded to, above; think: Nuremburg Trials of judges
> who gave cover to the Nazis inhumane policies, then remember last
> week's Scalia interview, where he declared "because I'm right" as his
> answer to the interviewer's challenging of his Orwellian assertion
> that "torture is not punishment" and, therefore, not unConstitutional
> or even relevant for consideration under the cruel and unusual clause
How many people under Clinton-appointed judges ever got to use the
Second Amendment as a defense against NFA-1934 charges? How many pot
users got to use the medical-marijuana argument as a defense?
ZERO.
> 7. using war as a means of political unification under the Leader
> principle; dissent = treason
Waco Willie used the Kosovo campaign as a means to deflect criticism
against him for the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
> 8. scapegoating otherwise-ridiculous "enemies of the state", e.g.:
> potheads as the new Jews ("a Jew-free Europe" = "a drug-(user)-free
> America")
Clinton had no problem scapegoating gun owners, militia members, and
talk show hosts who disagreed with his as "hatemongers" and
"terrorists" -- that's how he got the "Antiterrorism and Effective
Death Penalty Act of 1996" passed -- by smearing people he didn't like
as being in league with Timothy McVeigh, the Ku Klux Krud, the Aryan
Airheads, etc.
> 9. jails full of political prisoners (pot prisoners are political
> prisoners) and fake enemies; America has, by far and away, the highest
> percent of its population in prison, most in for crap related to a
> gov't-created "war" on personal choice; the gov't prison-industrial
> complex is essentially a concentration camp/gulag system (it was 1942
> before the actual, overt Death Camps; "rehabilitation" is a sick joke
> in our punishment concentration camp-prisons, and let's not even talk
> about Gitmo!)
Wars on Drugs, Guns, Moonshine (Tobacco is coming!), Keeping Your Own
Money, Private Property . . . Where does it end?!
> 10. obvious, inherent and de facto racism as gov't policy, easily
> proved by looking at stats for the general population v. the prison
> population and the unwillingness of the 3 branches to amend or shitcan
> the mandatory-minimum sentencing guidelines to correct the discrepancy
> btw crack and powdered cocaine
The mandatory-minimum sentencing "rules" stayed on the books all
through the Clinton years. And you're right -- the sentencing
guidelines are exactly that -- GUIDELINES -- no one forces a judge to
hand down the sentences that these documents call for.
> 11. fake patriotism and the demonizing of sovereign governments who
> have not attacked us
Again, Serbia comes to mind.
> 12. making a religion out of blind loyalty to the goons in control
Clinton was especially good at this, mostly in his early years.
> 13. failing to maintain and encouraging the breakdown of the
> separation between church and state, as long as the churches in
> question use their influence in support of aggression and tyranny;
> claiming and exploiting the claim that God favors the Fatherland
OK, the Republicans have the Democrats beat here.
> 14. encouraging/demanding vigilantee-ism in support of gov't
> oppression; think: the employers and housefrau who snooped on their
> fellow citizens and turned them in for anti-Nazi behavior or opinions
> and Crimestoppers rewards for ratting-out pot growers, company drug-
> testing (that has no correlation to impairment and, therefore, no
> rational claim to be done in the interest of safety), denial of
> student loans for drug "crimes" but not for murder, etc.
Did any of the turn-in-your-friends-or-family stuff get shut down
under Clinton's terms? NO.
Did Clinton speak out against unnecessary workplace drug testing? NO.
As for the student loans, that's what happens when you seek federal
money -- you have to put up with the federal conditions. Don't like
it? Then start up a private student loan/grant organization that
doesn't go after federal or state funds, like Educate New Mexico does
for school vouchers.
> 15. the militarization and glorification of America's police forces
> and the buying of local and state force-using constituencies by
> carefully distributing Federal monies; programming cops to think of
> citizens as the enemy; acceptance of collateral damage in drug busts,
> rave raids, etc.; the DEA = the Gestapo
This got a big boost during the Clinton Regime, as "Delta Force" (really
1st Special Forces, Operational Detachment Delta) was allegedly granted
an exemption from compliance with Posse Comitatus (18 USC 1878) as part
of PDD-13 and/or PDD-25.
> 16. using war industries (the military-industrial complex) to maintain
> the sacred cow of economic growth at any other cost; hiding the true
> costs of agression
"Defense" budgets went UP during the Clinton years, if I recall
correctly.
> 17. fear-mongering in the name of "protecting" us, not only to destroy
> our liberties and get us to accept universal surveillance and internal
> passports (Real ID), but to attack foreign fake-enemies
"Real ID" first started as a Clinton Administration proposal in 1997
or 1998. Some of the Christian evangelicals (CORRECTLY) slammed this
as "The Mark of the Beast." Since "9-11," George XLIII brought it back
as a "War on Terror" program and they swallowed it, hook, line and
sinker.
> 18. using fake-socialism to pander to the people's needs and desires;
> think about Bush touting his Medicare expansion and how unwilling even
> the ardent Neo-Cons are to go after the biggest social programs and
> concepts of gov't entitlement, which of course, automatically
> increases the people's dependence upon gov't; speaking of pandering,
> think about McBush's plan, endorsed by Hillary, to give us a gas tax
> holiday
Socialism sucks, no matter which side backs it.
> 19. rigged elections and the exclusion of real opposition parties
Like the Democrats would NEVER do anything like this? I'm thinking
back to when Patsy Madrid and Becky tried to use their powers of
office to KILL the LPNM.
By the way, I wonder what the Green Party's perennial traitor, Abe
Gutmann, is up to these days.
> 20. keeping the people away from even visual access to der Fuhrer and
> wholesale arrests of peaceful protesters
This started back before 1994. I went to an anti-Clinton rally in
October 1994 -- Clinton was speaking at the International Association
of the Chiefs of Police convention at the Albuquerque Convention
Center. We were on the west-side curb of 3rd St. facing the Convention
center, and we never even saw his motorcade.
> 22. the aggrandizement of the supreme executive
Waco Willie was good at this, too, when he almost got away with using
"executive privilege" as a means to cover up the Monica Lewinsky
scandal.
> 23. and, of course, Bob's observations - and Mussolini's - that
> fascism is really "corporatism", the marriage of corporate interests
> and state power. If anyone doubts the reality of this union in our
> once-great nation, think about the fact that the energy credits for
> solar and wind power development are about to expire, but oil
> companies' stimulus packages will remain in place, even in the face of
> record profits and a deadly oil-driven foreign entanglement. While
> this may not be prima facie evidence of Nazism, its patent absurdity
> proves to me what the Rethuglicans really work for - and it ain't our
> best interests! I.G. Farben and Standard Oil = Halliburton and all
> the smaller versions of Standard Oil.
Exactly how much corporate welfare did Bingaman sponsor repeals of?
Exactly how much corporate welfare did Clinton veto when it landed on
his desk?
And had Al Gore won the White House in 2000, we probably STILL would
have went to war, only in Colombia and/or Venezuela instead of
Afghanistan, as Gore held (probably still holds) shares in Occidental
Petroleum, which has holdings on the South American continent that
could be threatened by the FARC assholes and Hugo Chavez.
holdings in
> And this is just off the top of my head...
>
> Yours,
> Bruce
>
>> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:38:28 -0600
>> From: NM_...@hotmail.com
>> To: lpnm-...@libertarian-party-nm.org
>> Subject: Re: [LPNM-forum] Bob Barr supports LP's opponents!
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> How about "fascist"? Government and industry going hand in hand? With a
>> leaning toward aggression?
>>
>> I say that with respect to the military - industrial complex that
>> Eisenhower warned us about, like the sweet no-bid contract that
>> Haliburton has in Iraq, and Cheney "just happened to be" a former
>> company official.
>>
>> Sometime our labels are imprecise, but we're only human.
>>
>> Bob
>> ========================
>>
>> BlackTalon wrote:
>>> Bruce,
>>>
>>> I still have a real problem associating Republican and Nazi. The Nazi party
>>> was the National Socialist Party of Germany that incorporated racism into
>>> their manifesto.
>>>
>>> Republicans are not racists, people are racists, but from what I have seen
>>> in the Demo primaries, that party contains more socialists and racists than
>>> the American Nazi party, let alone Republicans.
>>>
>>> Highly principled losers actually fit a large majority of Americans.
>>>
>>> Gary